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China Releases 2nd generation MIPS Chip

eldawg writes writes with news of the launch of a second-generation Chinese 64-bit MIPS CPU. "The Godson-2 or 'Dragon' went into production last week. News reports indicate that, 'The CPU is 95% MIPS compatible using an unauthorized and unlicensed variation of the MIPS architecture, which is owned by the American company MIPS Technologies...The Godson-2 is pretty much a copy of the MIPS R10000 which makes it on par with 1995 technology.' The Chinese plan on using these chips in consumer electronics for the local market, but one can assume that they will eventually end up in exported electronic goods. I wonder if MIPS Technology will sit idly by when this happens?"

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  1. Re:SPIN SPIN SPIN! by Homology · · Score: 4, Informative
    2. You're right that this is mainly a PR release- and though it doesn't flat-out say that this processor infringes on any MIPS patents, it's certainly implied. You seem to be strongly implying that this processor *doesn't* infringe on any MIPS patents. Do you have any facts about this, or is it your intuition?

    A patent granted in USA is not automatically valid elsewhere, and you cannot infringe on a patent where it's not valid. The Chinese will infringe on MIPS patents if they try to export their chip to countries where the MIPS patens are valid.

  2. Re:SPIN SPIN SPIN! by arivanov · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. This processor is 95% MIPS compatible. I understand incompatible, and 100% compatible. What do they mean by this? .

    It does not implement the bits that are patented. IIRC there are patents MIPS equivalent of SIMD instructions and a few others. The chinese were wise enough to skip these so they in fact can export this and MIPS technologies will have to sit and watch.

    Do you have any facts about this, or is it your intuition?.

    It was one of the design criteria. There was plenty of information about it 1-2 years ago. It was carefully and deliberately designed around MIPS patents. The rest of the architecture and the instruction set is an industry standard and in the public domain.

    If the Godson-2 is "pretty much a copy of the MIPS R10000".

    It is as far as instruction set is concerned. It is not as far as technology and implementation. While R10000 was not a bad CPU, I would expect "Godson" to be considerably better. It should consume less and scale to higher frequencies. China has manufacturing capability on 150nm (and possibly less) which was not available to anyone in 1995

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  3. The register by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 5, Informative

    "The Register" has a better write up on this story (sorry guys). Apparently they've managed to get Windows CE, Linux, and VxWorks up and running on the CPU.

    As for the patented instruction sets, apparently they aren't used in the chip. (Supposedly that's why it's 95% compatible).

    Currently the chip clocks in at 400-500Mhz, but the next generation is going to be around the 1Ghz mark - by which point China is going to be spitting out all manner of sub $200 computers I imagine.

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    1. Re:The register by tpgp · · Score: 4, Informative

      Read the article here.

      The byline for the article: Godson-2 now visible in Intel's rear view mirror

      It looks like its doing 400-500MHz on a 180nm process, with 800MHz-1GHz expected on 130nm fairly soon.

      At this point a very low-priced PC becomes feasible, comfortably under $150.

      Sounds good huh?

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  4. Re:SPIN SPIN SPIN! by jcr · · Score: 3, Informative

    See AMD vs Intel ca. 1991

    You do realize, that AMD had a license to second-source Intel parts, right? That litigation was over the terms of that license.

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  5. Re:So now intellectual property is good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    Could you provide some sources for your information?
    China's government says its economy is only growing at 5%. In reality it's growing at 10%.
    http://www.china.org.cn/english/2004/Jan/85390.htm
    An agency of the Chinese government announced that economic growth reached 9.1% for 2003.
    They say they won't finish the olympic stadium until 2008. It's finished now.
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews /TPStory/LAC/20050704/BEIJING02/TPInternational/To pStories
    The truth is very different and much more compelling. The International Olympic Committee told the Chinese to slow down construction due to fears that the Olympic venues would become white elephants (read the link).
    They say 3 gorges won't become operational until 2010. It's operational now.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Gorges_Dam
    Probably not very up-to-date but wikipedia says that one generator was online in 2003 and all 26 are expected to come online by 2009. So the dam being operational now doesn't mean much if it's producing less than 10% of its full capacity.
  6. Re:SPIN SPIN SPIN! by SilentSheep · · Score: 3, Informative

    It doesn't implement the unaligned memory access instructions. This is one of the only useful patents held by MIPS.

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  7. More facts about the chip... by Joseph+Lam · · Score: 5, Informative

    A brief description with picture of the chip:
    http://www.pconline.com.cn/pchardware/foreline/cpu /0312/258718.html/

    A 13-page write-up documenting the tough work and challenges faced by one of the chip scientists (e.g. pipelines/branch-prediction/cache design, packaging, etc...):
    http://www.pconline.com.cn/pchardware/foreline/cpu /0312/258719.html/

    Interesting bits from those Chinese sites:
    - (back in 2003) they're already running Linux on it, with applications such as MP3 audio/mpeg movie playing, Mozilla, OpenOffice, games...
    - (back in 2003) Max clock 300MHz, 1-2W power consumption, 1% CPU load for playing MP3, 23% for mpeg movie, SPEC_CPU2000 score of 300
    - will reach 1GHz by early 2006
    - it will be used in low-cost PC with price RMB1,000
    - the 3rd gen of the chip will incorporate multi-core design