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A $100 Million Trip to the Moon

Kyusaku Natsume writes "Russia's federal space agency will offer a $100m trip to the moon. From the UK Guardian's article:" "We've had the necessary technology for many years, the only problem will be finding someone prepared to pay that much." "

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  1. Seems a bit steep to me... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    From TFA:
    Space tourists will not land on its surface but will circle its dark side and orbit close enough to examine its cratered lunar crust. They would live in two cramped modules about three metres across and eat biscuits and food in tubes.
    Doesn't sound all that great, really...$100 mil for that? I can do that right now for free...in fact, I am doing that right now (sitting in my cramped cubicle, eating Ding-Dongs from the snack machine, and examining the cratered lunar crust.

    Oh, and by the way,
    "There is no dark side of the moon really...matter of fact it's all dark."
    Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon
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    1. Re:Seems a bit steep to me... by savagedome · · Score: 4, Funny

      Space tourists will not land on its surface but will circle its dark side and orbit close enough to examine its cratered lunar crust

      In other news, the space agency was approached by a space enthusiast who suggested paying using the jingling sound of quarters worth $100 million in a tin cup. The sources confirm that the agency denied him the ride.

  2. Warning by matt21811 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Warning: Dont buy this. The price is does not include a landing. You just fly around the moon and come back. It is clearly a rip off.

    1. Re:Warning by imsabbel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, considering people paid >10 Million for just getting into low earth orbit, 100 million for going all the way to the moon (including seeing earth as a tiny sphere in the disctance) doesnt seem _that_ out of place...

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    2. Re:Warning by iocat · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, I was just reading my Lonely Planet: Moon guide, and they said specifically to watch out for drinks that didn't have a listed price, and foreign space agencies that promised you the moon, but not a landing on the moon...

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  3. Russsia shouldn't be the only one by JossiRossi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I find it odd that Russia is at the forefront of commercial space travel. I mean they are capable of it, but I somehow thought that by now a public company could have pulled it off already. NASA f'ing up space travel with it's politics and disillusioning some about it likely has not helped.

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    1. Re:Russsia shouldn't be the only one by roman_mir · · Score: 4, Informative

      but I somehow thought that by now a public company could have pulled it off alread - are you kidding? Imagine this: you start a company like that. Let's say you have 1000,000,000 USD as a starting capital. How much can you do for that money? What would it take? You can buy Russian Soyuz launch vehicles, but for that money can you have your own space station and a moon module capable of going around the moon and back to the station? What about the fuel for the moon station? The Russians have Protons and Zeniths, you would have to buy those. How many customers will you get? One every 2 years? How will you make money on that?

      No, it's too early for any private company to even think about such things. The Russian space agency can only afford to do this because they have all the infrastructure for it: they have Soyuz and Proton and the space station.

    2. Re:Russsia shouldn't be the only one by stlhawkeye · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I find it odd that Russia is at the forefront of commercial space travel. I mean they are capable of it, but I somehow thought that by now a public company could have pulled it off already. NASA f'ing up space travel with it's politics and disillusioning some about it likely has not helped.

      Blame government hand-wringing. The last time they allowed a "space tourist" on a shuttle flight, it was a schoolteacher who won a contest, and she got killed. NASA is understandably reluctant to suffer such a disaster again. The Challenger incident set our space program back to such a serious degree that it's still never recovered. Before Challenger, talk was afoot of orbital space flight being the next wave of public transportation. Imagine flying from New York to Tokyo in a few hours!

      NASA never really recovered from Challenger, and Columbia should have been to nail in NASA's coffin, as it was. And it may prove to have been in the end. We're well overdue to privatize American space exploration. That doesn't mean that government cannot engage in it, only that government shouldn't be the owners of American space initiatives. NASA ought to be split into two groups: a regulatory/oversight body to manage space projects and allocate research time on government-owned orbital platforms such as Hubble, and a second body that is purely scientific in nature. Private American spaceflight would be completely permissable on the grounds that telemetry, observations, and research conducted on such flights be made available to NASA for internal use (not republication).

      Get NASA out of the hardware and flight businesses.

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    3. Re:Russsia shouldn't be the only one by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not so odd. The set-up cost of a space program (launch vechicle design, location, landing location, monitering center, etc.) is a very high sunk cost. Russia has it, built and paid for. So all they have to pay for is each launch, and ongoing maintenice. Since their budget has been cut, they have a strong incentive to find alternative funding.

      In other words: They have the capablitly set up, and they have a reason. No one else has that: NASA is funded enough to keep going, and no one else has existing human-spaceflight capablity.

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    4. Re:Russsia shouldn't be the only one by JossiRossi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I suppose part of my beef is part of the space flight industry's history.

      Space flight is very costly, and starting up a company for this would be astronomical (hyuck hyuck). Some of the reasons the cost is so high is because it's hard to get investors due to the high risk. (Kill one crew, just one, and you're likely to go under in a week). The other reasons are because the current technology is extremely expensive. Government programs tend to get a bit bloated on the cost and as such anyone entering would initially need government size funds to draw from.

      Had there been contests for cheap spaceflight options (like the one that was won a few months back but I am an idiot and the name escapes me.) Had these kinds of projects been done in tandem to the governmnetal developement, I think we'd be looking at a whole different view of space travel. I think ultimately the quickest way to get to the stars is the cooperation and parrallel evolution of the government and private sectors in the field.

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    5. Re:Russsia shouldn't be the only one by CFTM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's interesting to see just how much our society has changed with the advent of modern medicine. 150-200 years ago many many many babies were still dying in child birth or young children were dying from disease. Death was common place, thus there wasn't a huge uproar when it occured. Today, we've found ways to remove ourselves from death as much as possible through antibiotics, modern surgical techniques and doing things like pasturizing milk. The unintended consequence of this advancement has become a society that is absolutely mortified of death. We think we can outrun, outsmart or create technology to put off the inevitable but the reality is we can't.

      In all actuality, in the scheme of humanity, the shuttle disasters should not be catastrophic. Shit happens. It's sad and it's terrible but bad things happen all the time. I think that if space exploration is going to ever take off, we're going to have to accept that there will be a "wild-west" era where things are very dangerous and many many people die. Too bad we [the united states] is a litigious society full of people looking to get rich quick. For crists sake, the astronauts know what kind of risk they are taking; to quote Kevin Smith from the Donnie Darko Director's Cut director track [I know he's not the director he's part of the commentary] "You need an acceptable level of insanity".

    6. Re:Russsia shouldn't be the only one by ahodgson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The astronauts are more than willing to take the risks now. It's the politicians and bureaucrats who aren't.

  4. But the real question is... by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Funny

    does it include the return trip?

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  5. except by NeMon'ess · · Score: 5, Funny

    Once you're there getting back will cost another hundred million.

    Didn't RTFA

  6. Three steps to a better world by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Funny

    1) Convice Bill to offer "one BILEEEON dollars" for a landing.
    2) Get Russians to provide it - one way.
    3) Profit!

    1. Re:Three steps to a better world by cosmo7 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Baikonur: OK, Bill, you need to switch on the retro-rockets to enter lunar orbit.
      BG: OK. Is that a wizard?
      Baikonur: Try the wizard first.
      BG: Got it. It says the Soyuz launch vehicle is not attached.
      Baikonur: Ignore that. Click next.
      BG: OK. There's an option for the retro-rockets. Selected. Oh, now it says the Soyuz has to restart.
      Baikonur: OK.
      (two minutes pass)
      BG: Hmm, it seems to have forgotten the retro-rockets setting.
      Baikonur: OK, go to control panel.
      BG: Hold on, it wants me to update my virus settings.
      Baikonur: Ignore that, you're going to miss your orbit insertion window.
      BG: OK, Navigation Controls.
      Baikonur: No, it's in Configuration Options
      BG: O... K...
      Baikonur: Click advanced.
      BG: OK. Ah, I see retro-rockets in the list.
      Baikonur: Select and click configure.
      BG: It's grayed out.
      Baikonur: Hmm. Are you running as admin?
      BG: Uh huh.
      Baikonur: It shouldn't be grayed out.
      BG: It is.
      Baikonur: Did you check the retro rockets are properly installed?
      BG: Wow, I'm going right past the moon.
      Baikonur: OK, lets try doing a 180 and using the main engines. Go to Thruster Options.
      BG: OK. There's a little dog asking me if I want to lift off.
      (etc, ad infinitum.)

  7. Space tourism and lottery by Arthur+B. · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It may not be easy to find someone willing to pay 100M$ for a trip around the moon. Isn't it waay easier to find 10M people in the world willing to pay 10$ to perhaps win a trip around the moon ? I know I would.

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    1. Re:Space tourism and lottery by AviLazar · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Good point. And some company will offer this. "Buy a 12$ raffle ticket."

      10$ (up to 50 million) goes to Russia. $1 per ticket goes to the company. The rest goes to charity? I would buy a ticket. And hey, they could also say "If we get enough for two trips, then there will be two winners."

      I don't know...that sounds a bit altruistic of me. More likely some company will sell the tickets for 15/pop and pocket any profits above the 50 mil.

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  8. Just don't be the 13th to go by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Funny

    Unless you want to say, "Bakinour, we have a problem."

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  9. What a bargain by ChrisF79 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Damn, I'd pay the $100M but I don't think my boss would let me take the week off.

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  10. Russia + EU by amightywind · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This shows how desperate Russia is becoming maintaining its space exploration capability. Russia has neither the rockets nor the spacecraft to support such an offer. I think it makes more sense for them to combine efforts with the EU going forward. The EU has no manned program, but good space technology and relatively deep pockets. Russia has well developed space technology but little funding. It would make an impressive combination.

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  11. Re:Not the first time by Chairboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's not... completely accurate.

    The Soyuz capsule was designed to travel to the moon as the Zond variant. The system was tested in the late 1960s, using the same type of Proton boosted soyuz capsules to orbit the moon and return, and did so with animals aboard that survived.

    But yes, other then being wrong in almost every other respect, you are correct when you say "They posted this idea before".

  12. Re:So lemme see if I got this right... by badfish99 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe NASA could pay it? They haven't been to the moon for a while.

  13. Russian Space Value Meal by Momoru · · Score: 4, Funny

    Welcome to Crazy Ivan's Russian Experience!!! Everything is for sale, all offers considered!!!

    Please choose one of the following from our "Government for sale" programs:

    1) Drive a t-37 tank - $50,000
    2) Fly a MiG - $200,000
    3) Pilot Nuclear Submarine - $1,000,000
    4) Fly to IIS - $20,000,000
    5) Fly to Moon - $100,000,000
    6) Kill a Chechnian - $50
    7) Preside over Duma for a day - $10,000

    Or anything else you want to do! Just name it and we'll stick a price on it.

    1. Re:Russian Space Value Meal by WormholeFiend · · Score: 4, Funny

      How much would it cost to off a Russian spammer?

      One ticket please. Aisle seat.

  14. What else is included? by mustangdavis · · Score: 5, Funny

    For $100 million, they better do better than just a pass around the moon!

    For example, the Russians on board had better be some REALLY hot Russian babes (like those mail order brides they are always advertising)!

    For $100 million, I'd want to be the first guy to have a three way in Space! (with 2 hot women - of course). I also want the exclusive rights to reproduce and sell the video :)

    For that matter, would I be the first guy to have sex in Space?

    I mean, seriously, if they're not landing on the moon, they had better give me something to do for two weeks. Two weeks in Space would get boring after the first few days if I had nothing to look forward to other than flying around the moon and (hopefully) landing (in one piece). They'd have to provide some serious entertainment for me to fork over that kind of cash ... (that is, if I had it).

  15. Re:discount by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    what about a donation for a make-a-wish foundation candidate?

    Good idea. If the rocket explodes on the way up or the craft disintegrates on the round trip or burns up reentering the atmosphere we could just shrug and say "Hey, the kid was going to die anyway."

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  16. Re:Finances by amliebsch · · Score: 4, Informative
    Or did the US already claim the Moon as their own so other countries cannot trespass?

    The plaque left on the moon (affixed to the first LEM) reads as follows:

    HERE MEN FROM THE PLANET EARTH FIRST SET FOOT UPON THE MOON
    JULY 1969, A.D.
    WE CAME IN PEACE FOR ALL MANKIND

    Interestingly, however, the United States (along with most spacefaring countries) has not ratified the 1979 Moon Treaty, which would basically prohibit any property rights on the moon (or other celestial bodies). So the door is still open for future ownership of lunar surface.

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  17. Re:So lemme see if I got this right... by brsmith4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I still don't think it's as difficult as people think it is to get into orbit - or to the moon

    Do you care to enlighten us mere mortals as to how you plan to accomplish this with $100 Million? Don't start talking about Space Ship One because even Burt Rutan has stated that the craft is not very useful outside of simply winning the X-Prize and providing valuable data for future designs, which in fact, must be radically different just to achieve orbit (and will also require substancial outside funding and investment, on the order of almost a billion dollars).

    Please, take a basic physics class before you start telling people how it's not very difficult to get to orbit or the moon.

  18. Re:I don't think they can do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    "But there is a big difference between Earth orbit and going to the Moon. Even if you're not landing there."

    The Russians have made it to the moon.

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/spacecraft_manned_l unar.html

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/spacecraft_planetar y_lunar.html

    While there are considerable more failures than successes, the Russians have achieved lunar orbit and returned.

  19. The hook... by airship · · Score: 4, Funny

    The hook is that beverage service is not even included. By day 3, they expect to be able to charge you another $100 million for each can of Coke. And it won't even be real Coke, just some weird Uzbekistan knockoff named 'Koke'.
    (Please imagine unintelligible Cyrillic characters between quotes. I am poor and cannot afford to waste my few precious real Cyrillic characters in Slashdot posts.)

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  20. Re:I've started a lottery by Teancum · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually, this is a neat idea on the whole. A time-limited lotto that was run by some formal lottery organization (not some random joe internet user like yourself... I'm sorry, but I have know idea who you are at the moment) where if not enough money was raised to cover the costs of the launch would then be donated to some "worthy" cause, or even a more conventional lotto drawing would occur + a trip to space (to orbit if $10 million were raised, or on Virgin Galactic if > $1 million were raised) if not enough money were raised through something like this.

    Lotteries of this nature were proposed by many early Science Fiction authors, including Heinlein and Asimov. The trick is to figure out how to tell the scam artists from legitimate operations.

  21. Couldn't have said it better by jscotta44 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thanks for the reality check. The United States has forgotten just how many people died to explore and settle North America. Being on the cutting edge is dangerous. But there are huge rewards for the successful and huge payoffs to those of us left behind. Those pioneers that take the big risks expand our envelope and we get huge benefits from that.