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If Microsoft Went Open Source

From an Anonymous Reader: "The BBC's Bill Thompson has written a speculative article about the possibility of Microsoft attempting to secure their place in the future of operating systems by creating an open operating system. From the article: 'They allocate a billion dollars worth of programmers to shine and polish [The new OS] for a year, improving its compatibility with Windows Server technologies, donating parts of the Windows and Office code bases under the GPL and turning it into the world's best operating system.' Could this ever happen?

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  1. Not a chance by jlrowe · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Microsoft is based not on software, but on *control*.

    Control of suppliers, control of customers, control of employees, control of what competitors are left.

    To go OSS would be a complete 180 in personality, and that is just not going to happen.

  2. Could this ever happen? by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No. Less return to the stockholders (not that they get many dividends anyway....)

  3. In a word, no by bgfay · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This could not happen. From everything I've read, Bill Gates doesn't work this way and isn't concerned about that kind of immortality.

    There is nothing in the history of him or his company to suggest that this is possible.

    And, frankly, it's not necessary.

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  4. Next by AaronStJ · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Could this ever happen?

    No. Next question.
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  5. Speculative article != news article by RootsLINUX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Honestly, I'm wondering why this is on Slashdot. I come here to read news, not some editorial guesses at what might be news in the future. "News for Nerd. Stuff that matters." ===> and this article doesn't matter...

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  6. Best is subjective. by mOoZik · · Score: 3, Insightful

    MS has 90%+ of the market. Why should they try to do anyting other than what they're doing, which is obviously working? They seem pretty content!

  7. Why bother? by Bob_Robertson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you'd asked if Microsoft would release their application and development suite as binaries for Linux, for a price, I'd say "Sure! As soon as they realize that the OS is now a commodity they cannot count on for their profit margins any more."

    However, Microsoft will not release Windows as Open Source. They cannot, because there is too much stolen code in it. **cough**BSD**cough**

    IF Microsoft had released Office for every OS out there, rather than trying to own the entire PC from device drivers to applications to keyboards and mice, they would indeed own the office, likely for the rest of time. But they didn't. They got greedy, they wanted it all, and focused so much effort and time trying to LOCK IN users and LOCK OUT any alternatives that they lost sight of the one thing that they used to do well: Write applications.

    They tried. 64-bit Win95 for the Alpha did indeed get sold, but then they abandoned it. This left customers hanging and looking for an alternative, and they were pissed enough at MS to not go back. This is not smart, and it demonstrates the lack of forethought that has created the environment for disaster that Windows Vista forshadows.

    Who will upgrade their hardware to relative supercomputers just to pay for an upgrade to software they already have and that already works? The vision of those hardy souls who have never upgraded from Win98 because, face it, Win98 and Office97 are still perfectly good for 99.99% of what everyone does.

    So when Office97 documents start failing because Microsoft changed their formats again, don't expect companies to spend $2000/seat to just do what they could do yesterday. OpenOffice is already here.

    And when IE7 won't install on anything older than WinXP, don't expect that same $2000/seat upgrade to be spent to, again, just do today what worked fine yesterday. Firefox, Opera, Mozilla &etc are already here.

    The F/OSS community already has a head start in making functional apps to do what needs doing regardless of OS, on existing hardware, using commodity protocols. Microsoft can never catch up trying to do that, because they have never been successful at doing that. They CHOSE not to be compatible, not to be frugal, not to play nice with others.

    Microsoft as a company believes this is some kind of "race" that they have to "win", but while Microsoft spends bails of money "mobilizing their sales and marketing departments", F/OSS developers will continue to write good code.

    Bob-

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    1. Re:Why bother? by Zak3056 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      However, Microsoft will not release Windows as Open Source. They cannot, because there is too much stolen code in it. **cough**BSD**cough**

      Given that the infamous "running strings on ftp.exe" results in the Berkeley Regents copyright notice, I daresay that this code is NOT stolen, and is being used according to license.

      No, the real reason this will never happen is that there isn't anything in it for MS--interoperability weakens their monopoly, and Open Source doesn't offer anything compelling enough (to them) to make that kind of move. However, I think we will see more and more dev and system administration tools end up under some form of F/OSS license. They already have a few projects in the wild (two of them are actually hosted on sourceforge!)

      That actually has a real benefit to microsoft--particularly if Balmer was serious when he did his monkey dance and shouted "Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!" The CPL seems to be what they're currently looking at for that sort of thing, let's see how they progress.

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  8. Re:Flawed logic by Baddas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think there's a flaw to your logic: Forks.

    Forked projects occasionally, though not always, end up viable alternatives.

    Look at X.org, look at the three different BSDs (De Raadt's recoding of things for security) and so forth.

    If Microsoft took the traditional route of forking a fairly recent version of the stable codebase, they'd have a decent chance of being able to actually sell something.

  9. Too big of a project by parvenu74 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Allocating a billion dollars to the project wouldn't do it. As it is now, more people are involved in getting a version of Windows to launch-state then it took to put a man on the moon. Simply managing the logisitics of something of that scale is boggling enough... and that's before you even look at the quality of the operating system itself. I am curioous, though, how much money it took Apple, all tolled, to get OS X from dream to reality. Anyone want to venture a guess that the total was well north of a billion dollars?

  10. Re:Wrong emphasis by croddy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    That's exactly why he's suggesting that they assign their most experienced engineers -- the ones who know best how the applications fit together and how all the little pieces interact -- to oversee the process of approving and applying those patches.

    Because exactly as you've pointed out -- it's not the small maintenance and enhancement programming that makes a project good. It's the higher-level decisions by the project managers that can determine whether code changes will be successful.

  11. Dead projects on Sourceforge by jesterzog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sourceforge is littered with the remains of OSS projects that were fun to code and get working, but that nobody wants to maintain anymore.

    What you've said about the administration problems for large projects is true, but I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that there are lots of unfinished projects lying around places like Sourceforge.

    A few months ago, I was looking for a library that would do something, but it just didn't exist. What I did find, though, was someone's Sourceforge effort from five years ago. It wasn't packaged very well, and it only covered about 70% of what I'd ideally want. I was able to contact the original author, and while he's still interested in it, he really doesn't have the time (or to some extent the expertise) to finish it.

    Since then, I've decided to try to pick up where the previous developer left off. I've re-packaged the code, and now I'm thinking about extending it to cover what I wanted to do previously. I don't know how successful I'll be in finishing it off, and to be honest I think it's unlikely. But the fact that someone else made their own effort available, and occupying sourceforge, made it much easier for me to get my own effort underway.

  12. Red Cap! by khasim · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, Microsoft buys out Red Hat for a huge amount of money....

    Why would the people who worked at Red Hat still work there after Microsoft buys them?

    Why wouldn't that take their huge checks and start a new company, with all the GPL'd code and industry love they've earned and call it something like "Red Cap" and pick up right were they left off.

    Except they're all much richer than before.

    Microsoft can hire individuals away from Linux-based companies ... but Microsoft cannot do anything to the people who WANT to work on Linux.

    And I wouldn't trust Microsoft's lawyers not to have all kinds of provisions in a developer's contract with Microsoft.

    I'm sure Bill would happily pay Linus a million or two if he could legally prevent Linus from writing any more code.