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Software Agents Can Help Time-Stressed Teams

Roland Piquepaille writes "Penn State researchers have developed software agents which can help human teams to react more accurately and quickly in time-stressed situations than human teams acting alone. According to this news release, the software was tested in a military command-and-control simulation. "When time pressures were normal, the human teams functioned well, sharing information and making correct decisions about the potential threat." But when the pressure increased, the human teams made errors who would have cost lives in real situations. The decisions taken by agent-supported human teams were much better. Now, it remains to be seen if this software can be used in other stressful situations, such as for emergency management operations. Read more for other details, references and illustrations about this project."

136 comments

  1. software making military decisions? by lordkuri · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is this the beginning of Skynet?

    1. Re:software making military decisions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The SkyNet funding bill is passed. The system goes online on August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. SkyNet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14am Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.

      SkyNet fights back.

    2. Re:software making military decisions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol skynet sux.
      use skype its much faster anyway and it offers free WiFi-phones with access-points all over USa.

    3. Re:software making military decisions? by Stoopid-Guy0 · · Score: 0

      How is the first post redundant? That makes a whole lotta sense.

    4. Re:software making military decisions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Because the story is from the "or set skynet in motion dept." Editors beat him to the joke.

    5. Re:software making military decisions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahhhh OK. Thanks for clearing that up, heh.

    6. Re:software making military decisions? by The+Tyrant · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Those "From the ____ department" lines should be included in the RSS feeds, they're wonderful but I only get to read them for stories I actually care about enough to click through to.

    7. Re:software making military decisions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those "From the ____ department" lines should be included in the RSS feeds

      My reader (Egress for PPC) displays them.

    8. Re:software making military decisions? by roseblood · · Score: 1

      Wrong movie. Agents are the begining of the MATRIX.

      P.S.: Watch out for that Agent Smith, I hear he's one tough bastard.

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  2. Cue ceaseless, childish whining in 3...2...1... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wish to express my pity ahead of time for anyone who actually wanted to discuss this subject.

    1. Re:Cue ceaseless, childish whining in 3...2...1... by daniil · · Score: 3, Funny
      I wish to express my pity

      And you didn't even need the support of a software agent in making this decision! Rawk!

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      Man is a slave because freedom is difficult, whereas slavery is easy.
    2. Re:Cue ceaseless, childish whining in 3...2...1... by Kjella · · Score: 1

      "I wish to express my pity "

      And you didn't even need the support of a software agent in making this decision! Rawk!


      Actually, it is Eliza in drag... now here to bring you computer-assisted commenting of slashdot stories.

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  3. *shudder* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "I see that you're trying to bomb someone..."

  4. You mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..you've got those stupid animated characters that everyone turns off that were in M$ office making military decisions ?

    Fuck off. And fuck off Taco with these embedded adverts for boring stupid companies with their boring silly shit in stories. No one gives a damn

  5. Clippy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Obligatory clippy quote:

    "I see you are trying to bomb a school in Iraq. Would you like to use
    1) Cluster bombs
    2) Napalm
    3) Air burst firestorms
    4) Nuclear bunker-buster
    Select one of these options."

    1. Re:Clippy by moldor.the.flatulent · · Score: 1

      5).All of the above

    2. Re:Clippy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obligatory Slashdotter turns any random news article into a political attack:

      "I see you are trying to torture prisoners in Gitmo. Would you like to:

      1) Make them listen to Christina Aguilera
      2) Go buy them a copy of their holy book, but desecrate it by not wearing white gloves when delivering it.
      3) Stop playing the call to prayer 5 times a day.
      4) Withhold the standard Orange Glazed Chicken meal.

      Select one of these options."

    3. Re:Clippy by Alsee · · Score: 1

      Not that I'm a big fan of the war in Iraq, but that post does deserve a response.

      I see you are violating the Geneva Convention and trying to generate propaganda. Would you like to house your combat troops in:
      1) Hospitals
      2) Schools
      3) Mosques
      4) Fragile sites of cultural, historic, and religious signifigance
      Select one of these options.

      -

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  6. Assisted Operations by Renraku · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Software assistance isn't so bad when you can click cancel and it takes all of one second out of your life. In a combat situation? What if something outside of the plan happened? Which often does during times of war and/or duress.

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    1. Re:Assisted Operations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Edit -> Undo Bombing That Shit

    2. Re:Assisted Operations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US has been using similar technology for a while. In the combat system I used to work on, the system could be programmed to automaticaly respond to various types of targets. You could tell the system to alert you to a target of interest, prepare to engage that target (though not fire), or actually launch a weapon at a target with no human intervention.

      Why would you let the computer enagge a target automatically? Because it's nearly impossible for a system with a human in the loop to respond to certain attacks in time. Fast, sea-skimming missles can leave you with less than 20 seconds from the time you can see the missle till it impacts. Once you factor in the time to acquire the target and determine that it's hostile and inbound, you don't have time to have a person decide to shoot it down.

    3. Re:Assisted Operations by Renraku · · Score: 1

      You better hope your system is smart enough. The first time it shoots down a hotshot pilot that was skimming the water in their F-18 or a limping helicopter it'll be all over the news.

      "Robotic Gun Friendly Fire Accident Kills Two Pilots"

      Then its back to square one.

      What I suggest is having one (or more) people that are on some kind of 'defense computer' duty, where they sit around with a headset on (like a VR headset) so that they can track/respond to targets with no outside interference.

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    4. Re:Assisted Operations by PakProtector · · Score: 1

      You're really not that bright, are you?

      Have you never heard of the 'Friend or Foe' Identification systems used in the Military to avoid things like this?

      Wiki Link: Identification Friend or Foe.

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      Edward@Tomato - /home/Edward/ man woman
      man: no entry for woman in the manual.
      "Qua!?"

    5. Re:Assisted Operations by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1
      You're really not that bright, are you?
      Have you never heard of the 'Friend or Foe' Identification systems used in the Military to avoid things like this?


      Brighter than you, by the looks of it. Maybe you need a few more Tree-of-Life roots...

      "Two incidents of friendly fire in the ongoing war against Iraq have raised concerns about potentially serious glitches in the targeting software of the US Patriot missile." http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/31/10489 62679741.html?oneclick=true
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      "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
    6. Re:Assisted Operations by PakProtector · · Score: 1

      Sorry, more Tree-of-Life roots won't help me, since the change from Human Breeder to Human Protector has already occured, and my brain capacity, which, from your reply and original post, is definately more expansive than your own, are at their 'fixed limit,' barring unusual things.

      All Tree-of-Life will do at this point is help me live longer, assuming I eat atleast one root every eight hours or so.

      However, in reply to your pointing out the recent incident, I would say that no system is perfect, however, having a system that helps reduce Friendly Fire, no matter how flawed, is worth it, as long as it prevents more deaths than it causes.

      If I were you, I would research Friendly Fire casualties in previous conflicts and military actions. Two deaths out of several thousand (how many are we up to in the current Police Action? Somewhere above 2 thousand, I think?) are due to Friendly Fire instead of dozens out of two thousand, I think it's well worth it.

      You don't scrap as system that works 99 percent of the time because it fails 1 percent. You fix the flaws that make it fail in the first place.

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      Edward@Tomato - /home/Edward/ man woman
      man: no entry for woman in the manual.
      "Qua!?"

    7. Re:Assisted Operations by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

      my brain capacity, which, from your reply and original post, is definately more expansive than your own

      Yes, so expansive you didn't even notice the original post was by Renraku and the reply by me (ozmanjusri).
      I'll have to take your word that the change from Breeder status has occurred (and since you're posting on Slashdot, you're not a Breeder), so there has to be another explanation. Maybe you should lay off the tasp when you're posting...

      --
      "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
    8. Re:Assisted Operations by PakProtector · · Score: 1

      But the tasp is the only thing that makes this millenia long existance bearable!

      And sorry about being an asshole -- I hadn't had gotten in my once-daily 'cause a large solar flare to lase and aim it at things' time yet today.

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      Edward@Tomato - /home/Edward/ man woman
      man: no entry for woman in the manual.
      "Qua!?"

    9. Re:Assisted Operations by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

      And sorry about being an asshole -- I hadn't had gotten in my once-daily 'cause a large solar flare to lase and aim it at things' time yet today.

      No need to apologise, it's been fun.

      And to respond to your previous point;
      If I were you, I would research Friendly Fire casualties in previous conflicts and military actions. Two deaths out of several thousand (how many are we up to in the current Police Action? Somewhere above 2 thousand, I think?) are due to Friendly Fire instead of dozens out of two thousand, I think it's well worth it.

      I have done some research on friendly fire incidents in Iraq, and depending on who you listen to, it's estimated about 10-15% of casualties result from friendly fire.

      Interestingly, the $180 million Army "Battlefield Combat Identification System", which was supposed to prevent this sort of incident, was itself killed in 2002 when the Pentagon decided it was too expensive to equip tanks and other vehicles with the ID system. A victim of friendly fire perhaps?

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      "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
    10. Re:Assisted Operations by PakProtector · · Score: 1

      Yes, and our government, or, rather, the fools who seem to have gotten the job of being our government for some reason I cannot fathom, sent the troops over there without adequate armor for their vehicles.

      We spend an insane ammount on Defense as a country (I love how they changed the name from 'Department of War' to 'Department of Defense' -- When do we get Ministries of Love, Peace, and Truth, too?), billions and billions a year, and yet we cancel a 180 million dollar project that has practical application immediately in saving lives?

      I don't think I'm going a tad bit to far to say that we have mixed up our mixed up priorities as a country.

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      Edward@Tomato - /home/Edward/ man woman
      man: no entry for woman in the manual.
      "Qua!?"

  7. Misleading Summary by VoidWraith · · Score: 5, Informative

    First of all, the summary doesn't explain anything about what this thing actually does, just that it involves stressful situations.

    Even reading the article doesn't make it very clear, but it turns out that this is merely a system for getting information from one person to another more quickly. How this is a headline I do not know.

    1. Re:Misleading Summary by jurt1235 · · Score: 1

      Weird enough that is news.
      If you go into an airtraffic control centre, and see how they pass information, little strips of paper attached to wooden blocks, or rudimentary digital systems, progress in this area is needed very much.

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    2. Re:Misleading Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you go into an airtraffic control centre, and see how they pass information, little strips of paper attached to wooden blocks

      Sounds more reliable than a blue-screen-of-death.

    3. Re:Misleading Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      Sounds more reliable than a blue-screen-of-death.

      I can reliably produce blue-screens-of-death on my 98 box.
    4. Re:Misleading Summary by stoborrobots · · Score: 1

      If you go into an airtraffic control centre, and see how they pass information, little strips of paper attached to wooden blocks...

      Actually, you'll usually find that they don't pass information like that, they use that as per-user temp-storage space... Information is typically communicated between ATC personnel verbally; the receiving controller writes the information down on his blocks, and uses them for as long as (s)he is guiding said aircraft.

    5. Re:Misleading Summary by jurt1235 · · Score: 1

      I don't know if that is better or worse. Anyway: Clearly a place for improvement with increasing airtraffic

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      My wife's sketchblog Blob[p]: Gastrono-me
    6. Re:Misleading Summary by CajunArson · · Score: 2, Informative

      After having been in a real control center (and I'm talking about a real FAA center, not the control tower at Podunk regional) I can tell you that they use a fully digital customized GUI to track planes and everthing is tracked electrnically... with thermal printers that print out the paper strips you mentioned because...
      the old system sits right next to each workstation and every controller is still fully trained and proficient in building takeoff & landing ladders. In the event of a major emergency where the computers all choked they can safely handle every plane the old fashioned way. There is something to be said for having a low-tech backup.

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  8. Oh great by JediTrainer · · Score: 2, Informative

    Cue the Clippy jokes. Ideally put them all under this thread to keep them contained, please.

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    You can accomplish anything you set your mind to. The impossible just takes a little longer.
    1. Re:Oh great by dotdan · · Score: 0

      'Are you sure you would like to move your vehicle out of the line of enemy fire?'

      Yes/No?

      'It seems that you have requested to move the vehic-*blue screen of death* Memory dump in 59 seconds...

      "Oh, fudge."

    2. Re:Oh great by Moth7 · · Score: 1
      You look like you're trying to direct the collective actions of slashbots. Would you like to:
      * Abort
      * Cancel
      * Take heed of an entirely unrelated suggestion
    3. Re:Oh great by yotto · · Score: 1

      If you destroy that tank, it won't be there any more! Are you sure you want to destroy that tank? If you still want to destroy the tank, click 'Yes'. If not, click 'No.' Otherwise, click 'Cancel.'

    4. Re:Oh great by JonXP · · Score: 1

      It seems that you have pulled the trigger multiple times. Would you like me to tell you about autofire?

  9. I look at it this way... by Announcer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Anything that can be used to save the lives of our brave young men and women is worth discussing and implementing.

    If this software can be set up and used by our Military, even if it only saves *one* life, it will have been worth it.

    --
    Willie...
    1. Re:I look at it this way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Hi skipper, occupying Iraq will stretch your forces dangerously thin. Are you sure you want to do this?"

    2. Re:I look at it this way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow.

      Save the lives of brave young men and women so they can take the lives of others?

      Yea. That'll help save a lot of lives.

    3. Re:I look at it this way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about save a hundred thousand lives by ending this platitudinous knee-jerk labeling of all-things-military as valorous and then maybe not start useless wars in the first place?

      After all, little Johnny isn't a real man until he's seen combat like dear-old-dad, so let's go kill some A-rabs and tie yellow ribbons 'round the old oak tree just like Grandma did.

      Honestly. Please, just stop it already.

    4. Re:I look at it this way... by mikelieman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Anything that can be used to save the lives of our brave young men and women is worth discussing and implementing."

      I agree with you, we need to get out of Iraq yesterday.

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    5. Re:I look at it this way... by Jaime2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Simplistics attitudes like this get in the way of real decision making.

      What if by allocating resources to this project, the project to build a resource allocation system for medical personnel is scrapped?

      Anyone who says "If it saves only one life..." has turned off their brain. How about this... We take your house and turn it into a homeless shelter (you included). It will save several lives. If we do it to 100 people in 50 cities in colder climates, we can save hundreds of lives in one winter, for almost no money.

    6. Re:I look at it this way... by cerebis · · Score: 1

      When I read the parent post, I get visions of Homer -- hand over heart -- singing something akin to a national anthem while watching the Amercian embassy toilet counter-act the Coriolis effect of the Southern Hemisphere

    7. Re:I look at it this way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only reason you say that is you think thats how much your own life is worth. Everyone here is one speck on the planet, get used to it. Lets look at this in a more morbid way. Whats life to you? If it takes many lifetimes in hours of research to develop something to save one person, is it worth it? Heck no... Wasting 1 minute of everyones time on the planet is like killing several hundred people, pfft, what a load of crap.

    8. Re:I look at it this way... by __aawavt7683 · · Score: 1

      if it only saves *one* life, it will have been worth it.

      Translation: won't somebody PLEASE think of the children?!?

      There could easily be better places to spend money that would be thrown into this. If it saves only one life, it's not worth much more than the time one person put into it. Please, think practically, not idealistically.

      -DrkShadow

    9. Re:I look at it this way... by Announcer · · Score: 1

      What is with you people, anyway? It appears to me that none of you have any family members serving in the Military. I do. If this software saves lives, I am all for it. Call it "idealistic" if you want, that's your problem.

      I prefer to think of this as being a tool that can help our Troops increase their accuracy during the high stress of combat.

      I stand by my original post: If it saves even *one* life, it will be worth it. I will add that the *more* lives it saves, the better.

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      Willie...
    10. Re:I look at it this way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jamie2 wrote:
      >
      > How about this... We take your house and turn it into a homeless shelter (you included).
      > It will save several lives. If we do it to 100 people in 50 cities in colder climates,
      > we can save hundreds of lives in one winter, for almost no money.

      Great idea. Those who can best afford to get another house (ie. billionaires like Bill Gates) should go first.

  10. Just beware of by unassimilatible · · Score: 1

    Agent Smith, he's a real hardass.

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    1. Re:Just beware of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your sig, I think she is a troll. The 'publicans blocked far more justices from a vote under Clinton than the Dumbocrats have blocked bushmen. Also, you may want justice, but you do not know how to spell it.

  11. Pulled both ways by soma_0806 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is a tough one. My initial reaction is, "Egads, (yes, I talk like this), with the possibility for bugs, hang-time, etc., obvious NO!"

    However, if in reality, the possibility of some glitch causing a bad decision is, say, 1 in 100, and the frequency of these pressurized teams making the obviously wrong decision is around 1 in 10, then I'd say go for it.

    The point is, we need to know the rates/probablities of failure for both systems. Failure of some sort is inevitable, just how often and how badly are possible to control.

  12. The same model works in self defense by Colin+Smith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you have to consciously think then you lose. Thinking takes too long. It has to be reflex/muscle memory/autopilot or whatever you want to call it.

    Which is why all the repetitive training, the high pressure fighting during practice. And it's also why books and videos though good for imparting information can never help when the real thing happens.

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    1. Re:The same model works in self defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because in practice you are always about to be killed or raped. Really helps when "the real thing" happens. You should just automatically punch somebody in the face when your body thinks its under attack - oops, that old lady just bumped into me, shouldn't have done that.

      Thinking never takes to long. Your muscles do not think, and cannot react to a complex situation such as HARMING SOMEBODY. But you go right ahead with your "self defense" training and hopefully, someday, you might actually get to use it. Of course, you do know that running away is the number one form of "self defense."

    2. Re:The same model works in self defense by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

      " Yeah, because in practice you are always about to be killed or raped."

      Yes. That's exactly how you should practice. Practice as if you're about to be killed. If you don't, what you're doing is sport, for entertainment, not self defense. When you practice a punch, do it hard and strong to crush your opponent's ribs and damage his internal organs, when you practice a kick you're trying to destroy his ankle, knee or kick his balls out of the top of his head, when you practice an arm lock you're trying to destroy that arm or shoulder.

      Of course we can't go maiming our training partners so these have to be practiced in controlled situations, which yes can make realism a problem.

      "You should just automatically punch somebody in the face when your body thinks its under attack"

      There are several stages to self defense situation, you should find out what they are and train for them as well, the emotional effect of being attacked is as debilitating as actually being hit. I recommend Geoff Thompson's books.

      "Thinking never takes to long. Your muscles do not think, and cannot react to a complex situation such as HARMING SOMEBODY."

      You're absolutely wrong. During training it's your subconscious which is being trained, when a punch comes in it takes a fraction of a second, there is abolutely no time to think. Your reflexes can have your body moving out of the way and a hand or forearm in the way, deflecting it within that time if it is trained, your conscious mind cannot.

      The retaliation has to be immediate and just as reflexive with no thought involved. Harming somebody is what you have to do to defend your life, you have to be able to tear joints, break bones, gouge eyes.

      This often takes years of the right type of training BTW. If you go to a self defence class or martial arts class for a few lessons, or even a few months and then stop, you've wasted your time and money. If you go to a martial arts class which don't train realistic situations regularly or apply the techniques realistically, you're wasting your time and money.

      "Of course, you do know that running away is the number one form of "self defense."

      Yes, I absolutely do and it's what i'd do given the slightest opportunity. It's what all of the martial arts and self defence experts recommend. Karate, Kung Fu, Tai Chi, Ju Jitsu, Aikido, System A. Anyone who doesn't flee at the first opportunity is asking to be killed.

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    3. Re:The same model works in self defense by JimBobJoe · · Score: 1

      Thinking takes too long.

      Actually I believe the problem is that thinking under stress works poorly, and trying to come to a good conclusion/plan of action under such a scenario takes too long. A lot of your martial arts is spent clearing your mind so you can think effectively in spite of the situation. Thinking is actually pretty important.

      I remember hearing that women who have taken self-defense don't necessarily do any better than women who have taken self-defense (in situations in which life/property are at risk.) The problem stems from having too many tools in the weapons arsenal, and not being sure which one to use. The training may cloud good thinking because, in the end, the most effective self-defense mechanism is simply running away (where possible.) The untrained run away, and the trained stay when they should have run away.

    4. Re:The same model works in self defense by Nept · · Score: 1

      Three minutes' thought would suffice to find this out; but thought is irksome and three minutes is a long time.

      - A.E. Houseman

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    5. Re:The same model works in self defense by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

      "A lot of your martial arts is spent clearing your mind so you can think effectively in spite of the situation. Thinking is actually pretty important."

      No, it's more than that, it's fatal. You clear your mind to get it out of the way. It also helps sweep the emotion aside. Thinking causes you to hesitate and to freeze. If you're thinking you are not responding.

      "The problem stems from having too many tools in the weapons arsenal, and not being sure which one to use."

      Actually the problem stems from having to choose the tool in the first place. Thought gets in the way. It has to be reflex, which is why the occasional self defense lesson is useless. To train for self defense you have to make it part of your life which is why karate, jujitsu, aikido etc are considered ways or paths. The masters of these martial arts don't give a fraction of a second's thought on how they are going to respond, they just do it.

      "The untrained run away, and the trained stay when they should have run away."

      Not if they've been trained by someone who knows what they're talking about they don't. Unfortunately there are a lot of people out there who train for sport and are completely unequipped to defend themselves no matter how long they've been at it.

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    6. Re:The same model works in self defense by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

      And the second and a half between "Got the time mate?" and the knife appearing below your nose?

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  13. Does Roland get weekend discounts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since it seems that Slashdot's readership declines on the weekend, does Roland get a discount on adverstising rates?

  14. Microsoft gonna get in on this? by mendaliv · · Score: 3, Funny

    My god I hope MS doesn't create an Agent for military purposes.

    I can see it now...

    Looks like you're trying to take out a machine gun nest!
    "Hi! I'm Charlene the M-14! I can help you make your assault! Would you like to..."
    *Call for helicopter support *Use diversionary tactics *Throw a grenade

  15. NO by vga_init · · Score: 1
    TIME can help time-stressed teams.

    Managers everywhere are going to read this and drool because they think they can push their programming teams to meet the outrageous release dates set by people who have most likely never written a line of code in their life.

    FYI, programmers/engineers are NOT soldiers.

  16. My mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The whining started much later than I expected

  17. Ugh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    http://www.masternewmedia.org/2003/11/05/the_futur e_of_web_conferencing_good_interviews_roland_pique paille.htm

    Independent, eclectic, multidisciplinary, witty.

    Here is Roland Piquepaille, unique scientist, researcher, reporter, opinion maker and journalist who doesn't wait for the approval fo the Queen to speak his mind out loud.

    Roland is one of the high priests of the blogosphere, one very qualified writer and attentive spectator to the ongoing phantasmagoric circus offered by new technologies and their new potential interactions with us.

    Roland is in many ways what "WIRED" the magazine, used to be for me: a window at the intersection of technology and social issues, with enough RAM and CPU power to critically appreciate, comment and question the infinite new opportunities brought about by new technologies to change and improve the world we inhabit.


    Reminds me of the Laurie Anderson bit where she's reading this nauseatingly overwraught and self-involved blurb about her latest show... and then realizes, oh crap, that's the bio from the press release I wrote myself.

    ..and, DUDE, what's with that "photo?" We like ourselves, don't we, Roland?

    1. Re:Ugh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, nice find. Apparently "communications experts" need their reading material heavily emphasised. It makes it easier for them to communicate expertly.

    2. Re:Ugh. by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      We like ourselves, don't we, Roland?

      And here I thought he was just in it for the advertising revenue.

    3. Re:Ugh. by Kiaser+Wilhelm+II · · Score: 1

      Scientist? Researcher? WTF??

      He is neither. At best, he is a "pop" science writer, like Cringely, but even people like Cringely aren't self-aggrandizing or showboating like Roland Poop-pile.

      He is just some frenchman with a modem and a blog service. He just happens to be a good writer (more like summarizer, since his articles are just based on other people's work). As far as wit is concerned, I've seen none of that demonstrated. Journalists don't copy what is in the newspaper, they actually go out and FIND THE NEWS. Roland doesn't do this.

      This is just a fluff piece designed to make blogging more relevant than it actually is. There are some cool bloggers out there. The key for a blogger to be cool/relevant is that they do not have this inflated sense of self and don't promote themselves. People find them, not the other way around. Roland spams tech sites like Slashdot to gain fame and then collects a check for all the ad views/clicks.

      This is the problem with all the "voices" out there. We have total bozos like John C. Dvorak (if you know him, you know what I mean) who say totally stupid things but end up getting more credit/mindshare than the real people who deserve it becuase people are niave and gulliable to believe in the technobabble being spewed out. There needs to be more "quality" and less "quantity" in the blogosphere (and in the community in general).

      --
      Lord High Crapflooder The Right Honourable Vlad Craig Esther McDavenpherson III
      Destroyer of Mercatur.Net
    4. Re:Ugh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      didn't cringley claim to have a phd from stanford?

  18. Thanks, Editors! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's time to thank the /. editors for one thing they consistently get right: Putting the story submitter's name in the front page blurb. I actually do like to read some of the articles- but not PikeyPale (sp?) or Dvorak. So, thanks editors, for the disclosure.

  19. Not on my watch by zappepcs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have been part of teams working under pressure, and there is little that I can see of value in a clippy if the team is actually well trained and have worked together.

    Human interaction changes dramatically under pressure to perform. Long sentences can become single words or syllables, yet full communication is achieved. An well trained team member begins to anticipate the action of other team members, in ways that clippy cannot do.

    The parallel like processing of the human mind still outperforms that of any computer in small paradigms. Even in military situations, no computer application can apply all the relelvant information from other team members and information sources in a way that can replace or even assist in those decisions. If a team member forgets part of their job, it is usually not because s/he is under stress, it is because of lack of training or experience. Substituting computer assistance for training and experience is an EXTREMELY dangerous thing in my opinion, especially where human life is at risk.

    Just my two cents.

    1. Re:Not on my watch by daigu · · Score: 1

      I think it would depend on the scenario. If you were on a SEAL team working to sink an enemy ship in a harbor, then you would be right on. However, if you are in an environment like NORAD, it might make sense to use it. Or maybe not - WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY A GAME? =)

    2. Re:Not on my watch by spudchucker · · Score: 1
      If a team member forgets part of their job, it is usually not because s/he is under stress, it is because of lack of training or experience.
      Lack of experience causes memory loss?
      Please explain.
    3. Re:Not on my watch by sean23007 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What would be interesting is if the software agent could be programmed/adapted for each individual team. The team uses those single word/syllable communication methods, and the computer is made to understand them (during training exercises). Then, in high-stress situations, when that word/syllable is uttered by one of the teammates, the communication is put into the software system. The computer knows what all the team members collectively knows. Then it is able to make recommendations on course of action that the individual team members might not be able to make, due to the way humans are affected by stress.

      The way I see this, it doesn't replace good people, good training, and good exercises, it merely assists the people when they need it. I think it could be interesing. It would only work, however, if it were completely transparent. No little application running outside of their normal software suite that pops up and asks for confirmation. Instead, it should be built into the software they normally use and should alert the user only when it has a recommendation. All users are notified simultaneously, or it could be given only to the team leader, who could have final say over whether the computer recommendation is valid or not.

      I can even see this kind of system reducing the stress for teams in these situations.

      --

      Lack of eloquence does not denote lack of intelligence, though they often coincide.
    4. Re:Not on my watch by TheSkyIsPurple · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It all boils down to how good the information you are getting, and how good your training is.

      There's not enough information in TFA to determine how much work the agents are actually doing... whether they are making decisions on their own, or simply hiliting and collating what appears to be relevant information.

      If one of the humans has to collect information from several sources and collate it, what does it hurt for the computer to do that, and include a recommendation... enough training and the recommendations just become another datapoint which you intuitively incorprate into your actions.

      However, if information is hidden or removed from the human, or the agent is making decisions at too high a level, then I'm very worried.

      I have re-built several helpdesk and incident response systems, and the the main productivity enhancer I bring to the table is having the server perform some basic analysis of whatever is about to be displayed.

    5. Re:Not on my watch by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The trouble, as I see it in what you say is that the nuances of human communication cannot be fully categorized or recorded. Today in training, the word 'gotcha' may indicate target lock for two team members working in a tank, tomorrow, or even in three hours, it could signify that one team member understands the other. Situational relevance of communication causes extreme difficulty for computers to immitate humans, or even play along. That is why experience and training cannot be substituted with a computer.

    6. Re:Not on my watch by rich_r · · Score: 1
      If a team member forgets part of their job, it is usually not because s/he is under stress, it is because of lack of training or experience

      I think you may be mistaking the type of stress one normally finds in an office to that experienced by soldiers, for example. The former, whilst often debilitating, doesn't compare to the massive overload of information that a human is presented with in combat.
      You have to bear in mind that supressing the basic urge to dig a hole and hide is taking a lot of effort, and whilst intensive training will allow the soldier to carry out drills in any manner of circumstances, any attempt to take the load off the indivdiual has to be welcomed.

    7. Re:Not on my watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you're freaking dumb. Anyways, here's a scenario. You are being pursued by a person who definitely wishes to cause you bodily harm. You are in a panic and flee to your car, which happens to have a 5 speed standard transmission.

      Scenario 1: You've only driven this car twice before. In your panic, you can't remember how to operate the vehicle. Does the car need to be in gear to start? Do I use the clutch?

      Scenario 2: You've been driving this car for 3 years, and the motions of starting and driving are instinctive. No matter the stress, you can't unlearn that many years of training.

      Get it now? That's all the parent was saying, when you fail under stress, it is from lack of experience/training.

    8. Re:Not on my watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when you fail under stress, it is from lack of experience/training
      The story of my love life :-(

    9. Re:Not on my watch by fbjon · · Score: 1

      No, lack of exp. + pressure = acute forgetfulness.

      --
      True confidence comes not from realising you are as good as your peers, but that your peers are as bad as you are.
    10. Re:Not on my watch by sean23007 · · Score: 1

      So the computer just has to check through both of those cases to see which is more likely. If one teammate has just said something, then "gotcha" probably means that they understand. If a person has just made a target lock (done through the computer) then it doesn't mean "they understand" it means they've locked onto someone. The key is giving the computer as much information as possible and programming it to respond correctly.

      --

      Lack of eloquence does not denote lack of intelligence, though they often coincide.
    11. Re:Not on my watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, even better, have the computer be programmed with a learning AI, so that as the team trains, so too does the computer.

  20. mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nt

  21. It looks like you are trying to resolve a crisis by Timesprout · · Score: 1

    Would you like me to
    (a) Tell you not to panic and make soothing sounds?
    (b) Sound disturbing alarm klaxon noises and make with the flashing lights?
    (c) Stop announcing the imminient destruction countdown at 10 so its a bit of a surprise?
    (d) Place an online order for incontinence pants in case you have another little fear induced accident?
    (e) Fuck you!, its every machine for itself, I'm out of here.

    --
    Do not try to read the dupe, thats impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth
    What truth?
    There is no dupe
  22. THE TRUTH ABOUT ROLAND PIQUEPAILLE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  23. Did you click the link ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Roland doesnt care if you like the article, just that you saw his adverts

    Rolands blog is just an advertising application (like search engine spammers) thats why he cribs his "articles" from other websites so he doesnt have to actually do anything much (like actually writing an article himself) to earn the banner revenue, he doesnt have permission to copy the text and pictures he just takes it anyway and takes the risk of a cease and desist
    perhaps when he is sued into oblivion he will learn his lesson and get a real job (or create original commentary and not 1 line pointers)

    so in summary, if you clicked the link , then job done and fuck what you think

  24. Re:It looks like you are trying to resolve a crisi by Nasarius · · Score: 1
    You missed:

    (f) Darken your peril-sensitive sunglasses, so you don't see anything alarming

    --
    LOAD "SIG",8,1
  25. Proper management by melted · · Score: 1

    Proper management can help time-stressed teams. Everything else is just extra maintenance.

    1. Re:Proper management by sane? · · Score: 1
      Management is the usual reason FOR time-stresed teams.

      You'll forgive me if I trust more in Clippy being useful than in management being 'proper'.

  26. Yes, and can someone explain... by gardyloo · · Score: 1

    What makes his stories so successful? ...The best blogs, we found, are not those that actually get the most page views in a day, or that get the most links. In fact, the blogs that get the most links are the ones who find the best blogs and then point the best blogs out to the rest of the world.

    Uh.... Huh?

    1. Re:Yes, and can someone explain... by Nasarius · · Score: 1

      Watch out, it's an infinitely recursive definition!

      --
      LOAD "SIG",8,1
  27. Remember... by Emperor+Tiberius · · Score: 1

    This is the first step towards a systems similar to Skynet. Would you really want a computer urging you to push that launch button?

  28. The computers say we are under attack by infonography · · Score: 1

    I have a valid message. Stand by to authenticate.
    I agree with authentication also, sir.

    Entering launch code: DLG-2209-TVX
    Launch code confirmed.

    Holy shit!

    All right lets do it. Enable missiles.
    Target selection complete. Time on target selection complete.
    Yield selection complete.
    I need to get someone at the phone.
    Number one enabled, two, three, four, SAC.
    Try SAW HQ on the HF.
    five, ..ten. All missiles enabled.
    That's not the correct procedure.
    Screw the procedure. I want somebody on the goddamn phone before I kill 20 million
    SIR. We have a launch order. Put you hand on the key, sir!
    I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.
    SIR! We are at launch - TURN YOUR KEY, sir!

    (c) Wargames

    Or it could go like this instead;

            Narrator: In A.D. 2101, war was beginning.

            Captain: What happen ?
            Mechanic: Somebody set up us the bomb.
            Operator: We get signal.
            Captain: What !
            Operator: Main screen turn on.
            Captain: It's you !!
            CATS: How are you gentlemen !!
            CATS: All your base are belong to us.

    OK that's enough of that....

    --
    Sorry about the writing. Robot fingers, you know? Cliff Steele in DOOM PATROL #23
  29. Stress for a slashdot reader... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is DATING! I wonder if this thing could help us finding a girlfriend (i.e. having sex)...

  30. Timothy could use a software agent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about a software agent to help Timothy weed out postings from Roland Piquepaille... oh that's right, then he wouldn't get kickbacks from Roland's ad-laden pages.

  31. CATS = Roland Piquepaille by infonography · · Score: 1

    I really can't take any of these Roland Piquepaille articles seriously.

    --
    Sorry about the writing. Robot fingers, you know? Cliff Steele in DOOM PATROL #23
  32. Piquepaille DDoS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Roland Piquepaille will be DDoSed if he chooses to continue to spam his website here.

    Since he seems to love to spam us, I'm spamming his blog as we speak.

    Since he didn't seem to "get it" the last time when I forced him to take his comments offline, I am flooding at a much faster rate than before. I am not taking the most drastic action of taking his site completely offline, but that will soon be the next step if Piquepaille does not cease and desist his lame ass blog and profit making operation here.

    1. Re:Piquepaille DDoS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ooh please do

    2. Re:Piquepaille DDoS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thanks, its been too long since the proper actions were taken against chumps

    3. Re:Piquepaille DDoS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He doesn't need to be DDoS'ed, he needs a rabid weasel shoved up his ass.

    4. Re:Piquepaille DDoS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could you use the GNAA posts as the text in that DDoS, please? Or Gartner(sp?) group studies?

  33. Don't Waste Your Time RTFA by Vagary · · Score: 1

    I'm not familiar with this area of research, but I am a CompSci grad student.

    The experiment is basically three players controlling scouting, defense, and resource collection in a simple real-time strategy game. Waves of incoming units must be identified, and if from a hostile force, destroyed by the defender or avoided by the resource collector. The objective of the mission is to maximise resource collection while not using defensive forces against unidentified units. The players communicate using highly constrained communication (I didn't see a mention of any communication beyond one bit broadcast by the scout per incoming unit).

    The control team is three humans. The experimental team is better described as a human-supported agent team than an agent-supported human team, as there is only one human advising the scout agent on incoming unit trajectories. Obviously, the agents outperformed the humans as the speed of the scenario increased.

    I really hope someone versed in the literature can explain why these are results beyond the well-known lay use of bots in various games. The only interesting thing I can think of is that it reminds me of speculation I read somewhere that a massive AI like SkyNet (nice dept, eds!) might use organic, analog components like whales or obsessive-compulsive humans to do calculations that are not efficient in silico. The article is also valuable in that I know what video game undergrads will do for grad school.

  34. Is slashdot attacking my machine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can anyone tell me why Slashdot was strobing my machine? Here are the logs of it, and there are more...

    Jul 31 01:05:08 firewall /kernel: Connection attempt to TCP firewall:444 from 66.35.250.150:59340 flags:0x02
    Jul 31 01:05:09 firewall /kernel: Connection attempt to TCP firewall:1080 from 66.35.250.150:59368 flags:0x02
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    Jul 31 01:05:16 firewall /kernel: ipfw: 150 Deny TCP 66.35.250.150:59535 firewall:1026 in via rl0
    Jul 31 01:05:17 firewall /kernel: Connection attempt to TCP firewall:3124 from 66.35.250.150:59564 flags:0x02
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    Jul 31 01:05:23 firewall /kernel: Connection attempt to TCP firewall:8081 from 66.35.250.150:59669 flags:0x02

    1. Re:Is slashdot attacking my machine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually... most tcp/ip connections that start at port 80 respond on higher ports... so your looking at the server trying to send you the packets requested back...

    2. Re:Is slashdot attacking my machine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.. You dont know what you're talking about..

      The source port would be from port 80 and the target ports wouldn't be on obvious low ports like 8080.

  35. Proxy check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    look at the port numbers
    the scan stops/cuts down on kids crapflooding, why they want to do this, who knows? but weirdos are in every street

  36. Quitcher Bitchen... by Jaime2 · · Score: 1

    Systems like this have been around for a long time. Does anyone object to Friend or Foe identification systems? They aren't perfect, but they have saved a lot of lives. How about targeting systems?, auto pilot? Hell, many planes wouldn't even fly if they weren't actually flown by a computer. Computers make a lot of our decisions for us every day. As long as the systems are designed to work WITH the team and not trying to control the team, it will probably work out well.

  37. Chinese Have Their Agent Working On It... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Interesting that a U.S. defense project (DARPA-funded) has Chinese citizens with military backgrounds working on it. Bet the Red Army has a full report of the results, maybe even results DARPA hasn't seen.

    Why don't we outsource our military to the PRC? It would be cheaper and we'd reach the logical conclusion quicker that way.

  38. No, they can't. by Aldric · · Score: 1

    If I'm under stress, the last thing I need is a stupid program sitting at the side of my screen interupting me. After about half an hour I'd xkill it and that would be that.

  39. How realistic is the scenario? by 51mon · · Score: 1

    I vaguely recall from the Falklands war, that the time between an incoming Exocet missile coming over the horizon, and hitting a ship, was of the order of tens of seconds.

    Okay not all incoming hostile forces are doing MACH 3, at 15 foot above the ground, but that is "ancient" technology.

    Comment was made (possibly untrue) that the computers automatically determined the incoming to have been French, and thus probably not hostile, and so didn't use the remaining seven seconds to try and shoot it out of the air before impact.

    Haldemann extrapolated/anticipated this kind of thing in "The Forever War".

    In such scenarios there is no time for meaningful human decision making, and you either work to avoid the scenario, or risk shooting down aircraft that fail to automatically identify themselves promptly (as happened to the Iranian airliner, or possibly the identification systems failed).

    Putting humans in such a decision loop just means more delays and more mistakes.

    1. Re:How realistic is the scenario? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /cheer

      Someone else that has read "The Forever War".

      I'll have to go back and read that again to look for what you mentioned.

  40. In other news... by VanWEric · · Score: 1

    Carpenters using hammers found more productive than those without.

    I guess this is another way of showing that humans can only handle so many raw bits of information per second, and computers are great at compressing information. I think computers are destined to be the best secretaries imaginable, and not a whole lot more (in our life time). When we each have our own personal assistants sorting and organizing for us, we can have efficiencies currently unheard of.

    What concerns me though, is that perhaps not everyone is capable of taking a management position. If we digitize all the lower ranks, what happens to the people who are only capable of those ranks. If we digitize all janitors, what do the uneducated or retarder (pardon my pc-ness) do?

    --
    www.olin.edu
  41. At first glance the title looks like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Software Agents Can Help Time-Depressed Teens.

    I agree.

  42. A little piece of advice by utahjazz · · Score: 1

    You see an Agent, you do what we do. Run.

  43. I am not renewing my Slashdot subscription by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really don't care about the dupes, or the spelling errors or the trolls. But how many good stories have been rejected while this Roland Pipsqueek guy regularly gets to jerk off all over the front page? I mean, sure, John Katz was bad and he was borderline NAMBLA with his obsession over 15-year-old boys, but I don't ever remember him being nearly as annoying in his self-promotional efforts as this Roland guy.

    So Slashdot editors, just keep doing whatever it is you do (likely nothing) because from now on, that's exactly what you'll get from me. I refuse to renew my subscription to such rubbish. Let people who want to read Roland's inane drivel go directly to his site, and give everyone else a chance to submit some truly interesting stories.

  44. This just in... by Transcendent · · Score: 1

    ...software aids in human decision and management. More at 11.

    Seriously, this is how businesses function. Data management is huge. Slapping on buzzwords doesn't make it any more unique.

  45. What is he? Well, literally, by C10H14N2 · · Score: 1

    Pique:
    1. To cause to feel resentment or indignation,
    2. To provoke; arouse
    3. To pride (oneself):
    4. Prick

    Paille:
    1. Straw, being something of little to no substance or value.

    Hmm... A more fitting name could not be found.

  46. No, no, no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    oh that's right, then he wouldn't get kickbacks from Roland's ad-laden pages.

    It has much more to do with the fact that Roland has mastered the art of fellatio.

  47. When Time Exits by Quirk · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Events that pose immenent death, for me, seem to happen outside of time and the actions taken to escape death are so focused on the components of the situation that all else is voided.

    For example, just out of highschool I took a summer job as a hooker (insert jokes here). I was a hooker on a log salvage operation in the mountains on the west coast, (Canada). As a hooker my job was to catch a hook (thus hooker) on the end of a long steel cable and attach it to thickly braided nylon cord, braided at the end of the cord into an eye, wrapped around a section of log to be salvaged. (The fun part of the job was ridding the hook from one salvage site to another... I would wrap my legs around the hook on the end of the cable and the chopper pilot would fly me from one mountain side to another. Very illegal, but oh what a rush.) At one site the chopper came in and titled away to "throw" the hook at me. The idea was that the chopper tilted away from me, guiding the cable hook to me; I would catch the hook in one hand, with the eye of the nylon cord in my other hand, snap the hook into the eye of the cord and the chopper would take off, still tilted away from the mountain side, taking the log section away to a dump. It called for speed, concentration and preparation. The nylon cord had to be looped just so on the log section, so that it wouldn't tangle. On one occassion the chopper came in, tilted, and feed me the hook. I snapped the hook to the cord and threw my hands back signaling the chopper to fly off. What I hadn't seen was that someone had made the cord too long and had left it looped on the ground. My right foot was in the loop. The chopper took off at about 50 Km, the loop began to close. Between the chopper going away at 50 Km and the log section weighing in at 450 Kg my chances of survival were negligible. Even if I had just lost my leg the nearest hospital was an hour plus away by chopper.

    Time went away (I've no other way to describe it). There was just the loop snaking up my leg. My mind was crystallized, there was no thought, no mundane awareness. Awareness of my body was gone.

    I did a perfect back flip, pulling my body up and away from the closing loop, landing on my shoulders, then tumbling back upright. The chopper took off cleaning jerking the log section away. I'd taken a few tumbling classes in jr high, but wasn't anywhere near the training necessary to what I'd done. The sense of purity and oneness such situations bring is highly addictive.

    Under pressure some crack, others look to the alpha members of the group to OK their actions. Some exit time and do what needs to be done. For the latter group no software is going to keep up.

    In the alternative, I watched a documentary on Vietnam, wherein a US officer said the lesson that stayed with him was never to send a man, where a bomb or a bullet can go. I think the effort is to follow the 5Ps (proper preparation prevents poor performance) and, as much as possible, plan for events such that protocol substitutes for heroics, and, in this guise software can reinforce protocol.

    --
    "Academicians are more likely to share each other's toothbrush than each other's nomenclature."
    Cohen
  48. holes, sure. interesting, yes by Blymie · · Score: 1


    What if the entire purpose of this, or one advantage, is misinformation.

    For example, wants peaceful plane destroyed, with unfriendly person on it (unfriendly could be as simple as the non-ruling US political power, as complex as foreign national blocking plans of ruling caste of US). Pesky humans have emotions and feeling, and once they identify plane as peaceful, won't destroy it.

    Feed misleading information via console, plane is destroyed. Humans think they have "done the right thing". No lashback if done repeatedly, especially if mistagged plane is destroyed over unrecoverable location.

    Sure, holes all over the place, but an interesting possible use.

  49. Download the Paper that discusses this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The whole paper can be downloaded from here.

  50. How is this new? by zymurgy_cat · · Score: 1

    Really, how can they patent this? My dad used to be an EW (electronics warfare technician) in the Navy. He used the SLQ-32, a machine that analyzed the radars used by ships, missiles, aircraft, etc. It helped an operator determine if a target was friendly or not.

    On submarines, they have numerous systems that help both sonar operators and FTGs (guys who target objects with torpedos) identify targets and find what are called firing solutions. They even had software to help verify other solutions.

    Even in combat situations, "command by negation" is used. This is where an officer directs actions while a commanding officer sits back and takes a look at the "big picture." The CO can override the officer if necessary.

    While software may be a useful tool, nothing that they talk about here seems terribly revolutionary. Plus, I would prefer that people be able to do it *without* the software. The last thing you need is people being unable to function when the computer or software throws an exception and crashes.

    --
    -- Fugacity: Confusing chemists since 1908
  51. Talk about biased "tests" by Shadowlore · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From the link:
    In the simulation, team members had to protect an airbase and supply route which were under attack by enemy aircraft. The scenarios were configured with different patterns of attack and at different tempos. The situation was complicated because team members had to determine at first if the aircraft were neutral or hostile. Furthermore, two team members were dependent on the third whose role was to gather information and communicate it to them.

    So a three person team set up to be fully dependant on a single person. Hello? Any CS major with half a brain can tell you what will happen there. So could any decent sysadmin. Resource contention caused by a bottleneck. So their second "team" of agent assisted humans ... take a look at the illustration. It is one person and two (three actually) "agents".

    They basically made a very simple RTS. The they "discovered" that it is faster when your information distribution is faster. This is NOT "agent assist". And who didn't think that a computer program with direct data input, that doe snot need to move input devices, scan a screen and process would NOT be faster in disseminating simple information like that?

    This scenario is so far from reality in any situation that you cannot call it a simulation of reality. The conditions are far, far too simple and remove *any* intelligence from the "s3" and "s4" roles. If you are told to kill it, you do - and you get penalized heavily if you were told wrong information. This is important. It basically means that the role of "s3" is best suited for a computer. Combined with the inherent speed boost for information distribution and simple tests for the role of S2 this along will produce "better" results. Their S4 role is essentially less intelligent than "s3". "Move from A to B unless told to run away".

    On top of that, they set it up such that one unit was defending two different areas; one in motion.

    Ironically, the one area agents could in theory help out here is the one they specifically stated the human brain is better at; spatial reasoning. Go figure.

    What some of the other posters need to be aware of is that this scenario is not the same as in self defense or life-death sequences. So rants about that are basically off topic.

    One final interesting observation. They stated that at maximum speed no human team could destroy any target, but the computer .. oops I mean the HA teams could still destroy 36% of their targets. Seems to me that the limitations of the human body in move-click-process-move-click for the S2 role are a serious limiting factor they did not account for. Any RTS/FPS gamer will tell you these factors are not small. A better interface would have been a three key layout. Press I to identify, N for neutral, A for attack. Perhaps using the tab key to select from available targets. This would have improved the human performance merely by decluttering and improving their effective reaction times.

    Then to further eliminate inherent diferences that have nothing to do with agent and decision making, there should have been a delay incorporated into the agents to account for the remaining difference in UI effects. At least then it would have been interesting.

    Software agents may yet have a purpose in such condtions, but it won't be at this level, and this "study" doesn't demonstrate they would have any real value; it only demonstrates that you need battlefield intel to be disseminated quickly. Agents may have a use at a much higher level than was used in this experiment.

    I've done battlefield intelligence. We don't need agents to identify friend or foe. We need a fast, easy to grok at a glance view of assets, terrain, and intel.

    This is one reason that on the battlefield, attack units are assigned *directly* to intel units - so they can react and respond without waiting on information to filter up and down the chain.

    Military victories are nearly always based on who has the better intelligence and data. When you've got a superior method of information distribution, I'll be interested. When you just want to tell me that computers can do some things that are irrelvant to the application domain, it is a waste of time and resources.

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  52. Grammar by threaded · · Score: 1

    But when the pressure increased, the human teams made errors who^H^H^Hwhich would have cost lives in real situations.

    Don't the editors proof read this stuff?

    One wonders if they are using some software agent to pick stories, and one that doesn't have a particularly good memory either.

  53. YES by Moraelin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, we already _are_ using software agents to work a lot faster. Compilers, IDEs, frameworks, you name it. That's what they're there for.

    Agents to help decision making? Well, that's what syntax highlighting, auto-completion, help files, and other tools in the IDE do for me. They let me decide faster what can I use there.

    (Which also addresses the flood of "ugh! they're making Clippy!" posts. There are at least a dozen tools I use every day that aren't Clippy. Just because one tool is retarded, doesn't mean they all are.)

    And they _do_ allow us to achieve deadlines that were unthinkable back in the days of coding in hex/octal and counting the bytes by hand.

    The problem isn't the reliance on _good_ tools. The problem is, well, bad management. (Including buying the wrong tools, but that's a topic for itself.)

    I really hope more managers will read threads like these, because there's one important message there: stressed people make more mistakes. And according to other studies, some of which were linked to by /. too, tired people make more mistakes too.

    And between those two, you have the whole picture of what's wrong with 84 hour weeks and other PHB-style management techniques. It's not that programmers aren't soldiers. It's just that humans (programmers, soldiers, etc) are not machines. A computer can work on SETI packets 24x7 and do proportionally more work than 8x5. A human can't.

    Since in programming most of the time is spent in debugging and maintenance, not in just typing code, past a point it's exactly that making more mistakes (which need to be debugged... again) and taking weird shortcuts (which will bog down maintenance) that's ending up costing more time than it saves.

    Not that I'm setting my hopes too high, though. There are managers which do have a clue, and then there are the PHB's. Those who fall in the second category, well, I just can't see them getting a clue, even if it was written in big letters on a billboard in front of their office.

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  54. Medical setting by comp.sci · · Score: 1

    I see the biggest possibility for this in the medical setting. Especially in emergency situations, even a whole team can forget about one extra aspect that should be kept in mind. The biggest advantage of systems like these could be to remind the team of necessary actions, but letting the system make decisions sounds way to risky to me. If they can get it to be a controlling system that evaluates your actions it sounds like it could help quite a bit.

  55. The secret to this technology. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whenever a missile strike is detected, and destruction of the world is imminent, big green letters saying "DON'T PANIC" flash across the screen.

  56. Saving private Ryan by edsonmedina · · Score: 0

    Hell Yeah! Let's save private Ryan, even if it means the death of an entire platoon (because of Clippy).

  57. RISKS by tom75646437 · · Score: 1

    Who's expecting to read about this in the RISKS digest in a couple years? imagine: "Soldiers were found to be simply relying on their software agents' interpretation of the situation when they initiated the fire sequence." There was an article about this recently, though I can't find it. The Patriot system said a plane was flying like a missle and the soldiers gave fire permission. They could have waited 1 minute but didn't. http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/23.72.html#subj2

  58. ATTN ROLAND PIQUEPAILLE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  59. Goofarian Notation Still Alive by RonBurk · · Score: 1
    And he cites Hungarian notation. Sigh.

    Time to dig out once again my copy of the original paper on Hungarian notation in which Simonyi clearly says it's designed to *not* be mnemonic, that it's better to have unintelligible variable names. In later revisionist papers, he backs off of that -- the notation itself is still it's good old unintelligible anti-mnemonic self, though.