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South Korean Scientists Clone Dog
Ebon Praetor writes "According to the BBC and Reuters, South Korean scientists have created the world's first cloned dog, an Afghan hound. The research purpose of the research is ostensibly to produce research animals and not for commercial purposes. Dogs are especially difficult to clone, but the scientists were able to extract DNA from a skin cell, inject it into an egg, and implant the egg into a surrogate mother."
Dammit where is the half dog half alligator? This whole cloning regular animals thing is getting boring.
What, are they running out of their favorite food over there? *ba-dum-bump*
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dogs clone you!
Why are cloning dogs "notoriously difficult"? Is it because of the wide range of variability within the species?
"a frisky, healthy, normal, rambunctious puppy."
If you ignore the glowing red eyes, caustic drool, and an unearthly howl that makes babies cry and causes normal dogs who hear it to lose bowel control, chew through their leads, and leap in front of FedEx trucks.
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I hold nothing but extreme vitriol towards people that breed dogs when there are so many cats and dogs that are out on the streets and in shelters needing good homes. Same goes towards any pet store that sells cats and dogs.
People, please spay or neuter your pets and don't allow your ego to perpetuate the suffering of homeless cats and dogs.
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From the NYTimes story:
* Can't stimulate estrus with hormones, as you can with other animals. (Doggy estrus is weird. I read about it while reading up on dogs prior to adopting one. Very complex process, and messy. Glad my pup is spayed.)
* Difficult to detect ovulation.
* Eggs are not ripe when they leave the ovary. They have to be nabbed as they travel through the fallopian tube, modified, and reinserted within a few hours.
The research purpose of the research is...
Wait, research has research purpose? When did this happen?
His stated goal was to create a new golf club to allow every blissful, well-fed citizen to achieve holes-in-one, even on tricky dog legs.
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Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
"You can't teach an old dog new tricks" was easy to remember, and often true.
So, what is it now? You can now teach your new old dog new tricks? Or, you can only re-teach your new dog's tricks to the old dog? Do the old tricks come pre-installed, and how many new tricks can you stack on top?
Wait, you can't teach your old dog new tricks, but the new dog....
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Whether or not people have objections about cloning based on moral or religious reasons, I doubt that anyone would be willing to accept a 1 in 1000 success rate for attempting to clone a person. Whether or not the clones have souls, are real people, or any of the other arguments that apply, I don't think people would want 999 failures out of 1000 tries.
So until people become more accepting of cloning and the science is able to produce reliable results, I don't think we'll see it done with humans anytime soon.
What made Buster be Buster was not his DNA. They way he was raised and environment and what not affected his personality way more than DNA ever could. In a few hundred years you might be able to put him in a copy machine and spit out an identical one, but until then he'll be alike in DNA only. Even spots aren't hereditary.
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Quoth the article: "Canine cloning runs contrary to the Kennel Club's objective 'To promote in every way the general improvement of dogs'," Phil Buckley, spokesman for the Kennel Club told the BBC News website.
But the KC does things like register particular breeds of dogs which, due to their popularity, have been improperly bred so that they develop a wide variety of health problems. Some breeds are even prone to genetic disorders even if they aren't inbred. So doesn't promoting the breeding of these susceptible dog breeds detract from the lives of those dogs?
And besides that, there are so many dogs out there that are euthanized because nobody can find homes for them. Doesn't intentionally breeding more dogs in such an environment make life worse (as in, dead) for the dogs that get euthanized?
Yes, I think that cloning animals to be pets is a bad idea, but aside from the multitude of failed clones, I don't get how that's any worse than breeding them. And at least the cloning scientists have a goal of improving the state of medicine for humans.
If you accept animals being used for research, then cloning is a very neccessary step. Sure, it would be cheaper to just let them go at it, but then you don't get genetically identical test subjects.
With clones, you can inuduce cancer in multiple animals, and give half a drug. The non-treated animals are now a perfect control group.
For testing to have worth a damn, you need to know the genetic history of the animal. Also, you can create animals with a specific genetic disorders to test meds against.
Magine being able to test a drug were all the test animal were identical.
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Read Charlotte's Web, watch Babe, and keep a pig as a pet for a while. See if you don't feel like eating pork any more. I'd bet you would feel a slight bit edgy, but that's only because our culture doesn't make eating pork shameful or socially discourage the practice. If we had the same snide jokes about people eating pigs as we did about people eating dogs, you'd certainly find less people having bacon with their eggs.
If you're not squimish about eating beef, pork, chicken, or any other kind of meat, dog really shouldn't bother you. Yet because our culture identifies dogs and cats as pets and friendly, domesticated creatures we're prone to frown on eating them. To me, it seems as though it's almost viewed in the same light as canabalism.
To be blatantly honest, we Westerns are the ones being hypocritical and irrational for the most part. I don't know whether or not dog tastes good, and I might be willing to try it just for the sake of trying it, but I've been culturally conditioned to not want to eat dog.
yeah, my korean wife thought I said to wok the dog
Clones are no different than identical twins.
Identical twins are formed when one egg is fertilized by one sperm. After fertilization, the egg splits. Each twin will share exactly the same DNA. They will look alike right down to hair color and eye color.
In fact since twins share the same womb environment they are more identical than a clone.
This reminds me of a weekend trip I took with the cub scouts a while back...
I mean, they were all cute little kids and they loved hiking and they'd get firewood all night long if you asked them to, it was just like having a team of little puppies with you that could actually DO things.
When that blizzard hit, though, we didn't have any problem at all with eating Fatty Joe. As a bonus, with his "diet" of non-stop candy bars and high blood sugar, the kid self-caramelized on the fire, and nobody really liked him anyway.
[ I mean, he was probably going to electrocute himself or get hit by lightening at the next jamboree, because God is pissed at the Scouts for kicking out the gays. ]
who needs to stay ontopic, really, when there's an awful joke to be made?
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Do not attempt to put guilt upon the good breeders out there. It is not their fault for the huge numbers of homeless animals and they should not have their legitimate activities curtailed.
The good breeders promote their breeds by ensuring only the good representatives of the breed are bred. They usually sell their dogs in two classes, show and pet. Show class dogs are show no signs of defect, injury, or disease. They are splendid examples of their breed and will help to keep the breed useful and defect free. Pet quality dogs are usually those whom the breeder to be healthy animals yet not posses the best qualities representative of the breed. They are sold on the condition that they are to be spayed or neutured. Their registration actually prevents unscrupulous buyers from registering litters produced by them.
The good effect of cloning is that by advancements in the procedures it may be possible to eliminate some defects that show up in various types of animals thereby improving the breeds.
I am all for control of the pet population but it is just as selfish to condemn all breeders and sellers as it is to ignore the problem out there. Quite a few states PERMIT puppy-mills (Misourri is one). I am all for shutting down those places and the businesses that use them.
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We generally don't eat predators of any kind. They're generally just not very tasty, whether, cat, dog, ferret, cassowary or whatever.
The only predators we eat on a regular basis are fish.
It's not a cultural issue so much as it is that most predatory species have too little marbling and too much stringy muscle.
Dogs, snakes, and other predators are eaten in the Far East more for the association of the animals' living characteristics than for their flavor.
The scientists were reverse engineering the work of God. So as a lab joke they used a doG.
Oh please!! Fact is, nature is nature. As such, they will continue to breed and roam the wild which includes our cities. We might as well shelter "stray" birds and rodents while were at it.
By default, all animals are unwanted when it comes to domestication. Breeding is nothing more then controlled domestication as seen fit by society. Regardless whether we breed animals or not, there will ALWAYS be a population of them in the wild.
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Seoul National University puppy = Snuppy.
After being in Korea I found several other reasons to stop eating dog.
#1 Koreans used to treat dogs terribly, since they are increadibly loyal beating them is rather unseemly.
#2 People's pets were often stolen for the cooking pot... not pleasant.
First of all, why would you compare two preachers that are talking about two totally different, completely unrelated things?
I'm not sure what you mean. In my example, their products are different but not dissimilar. There's no reason you can't compare a religious conviction that prevents you wearing clothes made of different fabrics (inconvenient) with one that prevents you cloning people (no problem - I wasn't going to anyway).
And second of all, if they were really getting with the times, why are they still around at all?
Because there's still a vast pool of customers for their services. They need to move with the times to provide the sort of religion that today's customers are looking for. If they don't do that then they really will go out of business but right now they're doing okay.
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