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IBM Reports On Spear Phishers

FrenchyinOntario writes "IBM reports that while "regular" phishing is declining the black hats are now engaging in targeted spear phishing to glean as much information about a specific identity as they can for all the usual cybercrime reasons. It concerns authorities because the usual suspects - criminal and terrorist organizations - will want to take advantage of this, but the chilling part is how your identity will now be dependent on multiple institutions protecting your personal information, as opposed to eBay, PayPal, your bank, etc."

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  1. Slashdotted, mirror here by winkydink · · Score: 5, Informative
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    1. Re:Slashdotted, mirror here by ergo98 · · Score: 1

      This sounds absolutely nothing like "phishing", but rather like targeted trojans to gain access to priviledged info (getting some bank employee to launch a trojan). I'm fairly certain this has happened all along. Maybe the article summarizes the IBM information incorrectly.

      When I first read the article summary, I thought it was going to describe indirect phishing - e.g. trolling for ancillary info about someone such that one can "recover" the account. e.g. Many accounts can be accessed by claiming a forgotten password, and answering trivial questions like D.O.B. or mother's maiden name, both of which a phisher could get fairly easily.

    2. Re:Slashdotted, mirror here by ergo98 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The primary link is down, and people have to resort to mirrors. If Slashdot karma is all it takes to get people to help the system, then it seems pretty cheap.

    3. Re:Slashdotted, mirror here by winkydink · · Score: 5, Funny

      Karma has nothing to do with it. I do it for the sheer pleasure of annoying the heck out of people like you.

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    4. Re:Slashdotted, mirror here by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      You think that's bad? BT once ended up terminating my _ADSL_ line because someone had phoned up and supplied my mother's maiden name! The person that had phoned up wasn't the same GENDER as me, damnit! It was an honest mistake (they meant to get a different ADSL line cancelled), but it goes to show how 'secure' their system is.

      We sued them and got about £300 i think.

    5. Re:Slashdotted, mirror here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, that is simply beautiful.

    6. Re:Slashdotted, mirror here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      click me, click me!
      No, you're ugly.

      (Far Side joke.)
  2. black hats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think many black hats would be upset with you calling them phishers..

    1. Re:black hats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      That's why I call them asexual, butt-ugly wankers.

  3. So the phishers have refined their tactics by Trigun · · Score: 5, Funny

    Didn't see that coming. Maybe their old tactics weren't working so well, so they had to adapt?
    Naw, it's an intelligent design!

    1. Re:So the phishers have refined their tactics by ShaniaTwain · · Score: 3, Funny

      See this is why evolution should be banned!

      not the teaching of evolution, evolution itself.
      Then MEGACORP won't have to waste profits on securing their massive database of customer eyecolor and bloodtype.

    2. Re:So the phishers have refined their tactics by Iriel · · Score: 1

      That's not really intelligent design! By the time Microsoft actually takes a stand against current phising schemes, it's called a reflex ;)

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    3. Re:So the phishers have refined their tactics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Intelligent design? Nah, God has always had terrible security. Look at the apple tree...

    4. Re:So the phishers have refined their tactics by Trigun · · Score: 1

      One exploit in the default install. That's as good of a track record as NetBSD!

      Slashdot should change the 2 minute wait to 2 minutes per thread. This tabbed browsing is killing my slashdot productivity here.

    5. Re:So the phishers have refined their tactics by lastchance_000 · · Score: 1

      It was a honeypot.

  4. what do they mean by eobanb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...by 'multiple institutions...as opposed to ebay, bank, etc.' Isn't that multiple institutions? I think what the summary is really trying to say is, to the phishers' advantage, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

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    1. Re:what do they mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol, what?

  5. A way around this... by ajiva · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is one way around this, that's to go to the 3 large credit companies and tell them to "Freeze" your credit (I think it costs $5-$10). Anyway nobody can open an account in your name, and as long as you remember to "thaw" your account before getting a loan, you'll be ok. It's no perfect, and I'd argue that all credit information should be purged from people who don't need it (this includes SSN numbers). Heck none of this should even be on file...

    1. Re:A way around this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know I'll be flamed for this but this would not happen in a country with a national ID card. Want to open an account? Prove that you are who you pretend to be! I know that most americans are more than reluctant to show any kind of identification to a cop but this never happened to me.

    2. Re:A way around this... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful


      Yes, of course, because the National ID card is the magic wand of the identification world, isn't it? There's no way any one could possibly forge one of those...

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    3. Re:A way around this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      This doesn't work. One of my best friends had his identity stolen and then Froze his credit, but Credit card companies were still issuing new cards in his name.

    4. Re:A way around this... by pete6677 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      On the contrary, it is the use of a national ID number (social security number) that makes identity theft so easy and common. If more than one number were required to prove identity, thieves would have to work a lot harder to pull it off and would be more likely to trip up and get caught. With so many banks and stores ready to hand out instant credit to anyone who comes along with an SSN and some minimal form of ID, it's no wonder that criminals are taking advantage of the system.

    5. Re:A way around this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sooooo you mean I now have to thaw the credit for my next victim?

      besides making it one more step (which would be quite easy for the amount of money to be made) what is this going to accomplish?

      Remeber they already stole your identity, it wont be too difficult to pretend they areyou for the purposes of unfreezing credit

    6. Re:A way around this... by lobsterGun · · Score: 1

      I'd expect that identity thieves would LOVE this. They would only have to forge one document to steal your ID.

      It would save them TONS of work.

      So kids, if someone tells you they are in favor of a national ID card, hold on to your wallet. They are probably an identity thief.

    7. Re:A way around this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you consider that french ID cards are a thousand times more secure than your dollar bills then: Yes, there is no way anyone could forge one of these.

    8. Re:A way around this... by Atzanteol · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What if that ID card stored a private key and a chip to do encryption of incoming data on it? The bank/gov't has your public key. Near impossible to 'forge', and if it goes missing you can report it.

      If we're going to get ID cards, I'd at least want them to be useful. At this point I'm in more danger of having my identity stolen than of being tracked by black helicopters...

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      - Charles Darwin
    9. Re:A way around this... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 2, Funny

      french ID cards are a thousand times more secure than your dollar bills

      What an idiotic statement...for three reasons:
      1. Just how did you arrive at that figure 'a thousand times'? Show your math, please.
      2. The U.S. one-dollar bill is perhaps the most insecure piece of currency on the planet. Eight-year-old children can create counterfeit dollar bills with a decent color inkjet printer. Sorry, but something a 'thousand times' more secure than a joke does not exactly inspire feelings of security and trust.
      3. You referenced the French.

      Please log off before you hurt yourself.
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    10. Re:A way around this... by Snowdog668 · · Score: 1

      I have a flag on my credit report with the three major agencies. Basically I put a sentence in the report stating that I have been the victim of identity theft in the past and any request for credit using my name or SSN must be verified by a call to my home number. It didn't cost me anything.

      Oh, and as far as I've ever been able to find my name and SSN were sold after I applied for my passport at the post office. That was the only place I had given my SSN in years and the theft occured within days of that. I couldn't prove anything and the cops wouldn't investigate even though I gave them the address that the fraudulent credit card was sent to (it was listed as a "recent address" on my credit report and I was able to get a verification of the address from the credit card company).

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    11. Re:A way around this... by Nasarius · · Score: 1
      There are lots of different ways to do secure identification, banking, voting, etc. Anyone who has read Bruce Schneier's "Applied Cryptography" should know how to design a good system.

      The trouble is, the people who do design these systems tend to be either moronic, corrupt, or lazy.

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    12. Re:A way around this... by collinl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So, its just a card with a password, and a chunk of crypto that said the password was right or wrong - e.g. by oututting a a transaction wrapped in other crypto.
      No one ever explains why this is better than an ID/account number and password?

      Lyal

    13. Re:A way around this... by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      So, its just a card with a password, and a chunk of crypto that said the password was right or wrong

      No. It's a card with a *private key* that can encrypt data given to it using that private key. The bank/eBay/other would have your public key. They would create some random token to be encrypted and give it to you. Your card encrypts and signs it using your private key. If they can then decrypt it and verify it with your public key then they know it's you.

      http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/node.asp?id=216 5

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    14. Re:A way around this... by plover · · Score: 1
      If you want to help yourself dodge some of this you can go to http://www.optoutprescreen.com, a web site run by the big four credit reporting agencies. I got a "preapproval" spam from a bank, and they had the 1-888-5-OPTOUT number listed, or the optoutprescreen website. I went there and chose to be permanently delisted.

      I hope this will give me a "smaller profile" with respect to the identity thieves, in that I won't have all this account activity going on all the time. Some of the ID thief rings seem to be watching for these "in transit." Well, now my numbers won't be in transit as much.

      By the way, you probably shouldn't just click on the link above. I mean, this is Slashdot after all. I could be an evil phisher trying to dupe you*. Always consider the source.

      *I'm not, of course, but you really have no way of knowing that based on what I say.

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  6. slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No comments yet...and I still can't read the article.

  7. aw, crud.. by werelord · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And this is probably the easiest fishing they'll be able to do.. Until companies are made liable for any damages that occurr when they "lose" their information, this will probably be an extremely easy method of fishing..

    Social Engineering, anyone??

    1. Re:aw, crud.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Companies are already held liable for protecting credit card information. Across the country right now, every IT group in every company that deals with credit card transactions, are under order to meet new Compliance regulations for data protection.

      All retailers, banks, etc are audited, and are required to meet all kinds of very strict requirements for encryption, network segmentation, authentication, loggin, multiple internal firewalls, etc, for systems that house Credit Card data. It's a real thing, and it's big. it just takes a lot of time and money for companies to completely restructure their security, and the companies pay HUGE fines for not meeting the new compliancy standards.

      of course, no matter how well people secure their data, there's always holes to be found, and ways around the security.

    2. Re:aw, crud.. by Karma_fucker_sucker · · Score: 1
      and the companies pay HUGE fines for not meeting the new compliancy standards.

      Mr. AC,
      Please define "HUGE". And who's to enforce this fine?

      I mean, a $250,000 fine or whatever to a very large corp, is their toilet paper budget for the week. Which they'll then pass on to their customers and/or make their stockholders eat.

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  8. I have to say ... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... I think it's kind of hilarious how stuffed-shirt companies like IBM, and the news organizations that report on them, have tried to adopt hacker slang. "Spear phishing"? It kind of reminds me of Christian pop music that desperately tries to be cool but always looks and sounds ten years behind the times.

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    1. Re:I have to say ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for music, just wait 20 years, then it will be cool again.

    2. Re:I have to say ... by heatdeath · · Score: 1

      I hate to break it to you, but hacker slang isn't cool. "Stuffed shirt companies" are just a different form of uncool. Uncool meet uncool, and this is their love child.

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    3. Re:I have to say ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Um yeah, maybe in the 80's.

      I suggest you actually listen to some of it today.... in fact you have, many hit the top 40 charts in "secular alternative" music over the past 5 years.

      the clueless like you stay on your path to what you think. the rest of us get bit shit eating grins as you not realize that bands like Creed and others are simply christian rock bands that are flying under the radar subverting you in your music... (OMFG! I better listen to some Insane clown Possee to cleanse my soul of this evil christanity! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG!)

      Oh let's forget that alternative HIt from 3 years ago "flood" that STILL shows up in airplay on the "aleternative rock" stations around the country....

      get a clue. you know nothing about which you speak of.

    4. Re:I have to say ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You like Creed? Shit is shit, no matter what the message is.

    5. Re:I have to say ... by iomanip · · Score: 1

      just wait until the fly phishing...

    6. Re:I have to say ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've heard Petra. They were (are?) every bit as loud and obnoxious as the satan worshippers.

      Score +1 God!

    7. Re:I have to say ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      just wait until the fly phishing...

      Wouldn't that be phly phishing?

  9. it's bad on IRC by eight+and+a+quarter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    i've found a gang of romanian scammers on a popular IRC server because a friend's machine was compromised for spamming. i joined the chan and just monitored for a few hours.. i logged everything, e-mailed them to the IRC administrator, and absolutely nothing has been done.

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    1. Re:it's bad on IRC by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      Try e-mailing it to the FBI or Secret Service. I'm pretty sure they have a taskforce devoted to international scammers

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    2. Re:it's bad on IRC by Steinfiend · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What are the IRC Ops supposed to do in a case like this? I'm not trying to be a troll, I'm seriously asking. They can ban the users, they can close the room, and they can send the logs to whatever law enforcement agencies are responsible for their area. However, how much will that achieve?

      A Romanian scammer, on a Brazilian server (just a random pick, not trying to suggest anything negative about Brazil), scamming an American user. The legal hoops are mind-boggling. That's if the IRC Ops can even get any useful information from their logs, which isn't 100% sure.

    3. Re:it's bad on IRC by hcob$ · · Score: 1

      Let the UN control it.... Then everything will be ok. Trust us, we're doing it for your own good.

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    4. Re:it's bad on IRC by mosschops · · Score: 1

      One of the "toy" Linux servers in work was compromised, using an Apache SSL exploit. It had a rootkit installed on it and was doing SSL scans for other vulnerable machines. This was a few years ago now...

      The connections came from Romanian dial-up accounts, and I reported it to the ISP (obviously, nothing was ever done). I also extracted IRC information from a bot on the compromised server, and joined the channel. I found a handful of other bots in there, and mailed the admins of each I could see (with some responding to thank me).

      I sat in there all day and some real users joined - though I was named like a bot I decided to chat. They came across as being very young, highly likely just script kiddies rather than major scammers. I guess things might have changed now there's money to be made!

    5. Re:it's bad on IRC by NoTheory · · Score: 1

      ::shrugs:: The problem is that some of the skript kiddies have grown up to be bastardly criminals.

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  10. Protecting personal information is something new? by GFunk83 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "...the chilling part is how your identity will now be dependent on multiple institutions protecting your personal information, as opposed to eBay, PayPal, your bank, etc."

    Wasn't it a company's responsibility to protect your personal information already? I don't understand how this new method of phishing changes that (not including the technical aspects of said protection).

  11. An Open Information Society by under_score · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm starting to feel like the right to privacy might be a red herring. The benefits of technology and a truely collaborative and just society might only be fully realized if we completely give up privacy... and that that might actually be a good thing. I know that I've read an essay or something about this before, but I can't find a link - anyone know who wrote about this or where I can find some references? (Actually, Robert J. Sawyer wrote a series of books where one of the societies is like this... but it's not what I'm thinking of.)

    1. Re:An Open Information Society by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Are you thinking of the Transparent Society essay by David Brin?

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    2. Re:An Open Information Society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re:An Open Information Society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you are thinking of Database Nation, by Simson Garfinkel

    4. Re:An Open Information Society by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      How does that protect my bank account from unauthorised access? Sure, giving up my privacy would make it very much harder to blackmail me, but that's not generally what this sort of attack is about.

    5. Re:An Open Information Society by tsalaroth · · Score: 1

      One problem with an open InSoc is the potential development of a police state.

      People break laws they don't agree with every day - including speeding, using illegal drugs (as opposed to legal ones), refusing to mow their laws, etc.

      With no privacy, the American police system will either fail miserably, or will over-compensate, and we'll have no privacy AND no freedom.

      I wish we COULD live in a society where one could do what they wanted, and no one questioned it, so long as what you do doesn't infringe upon another's rights to do what THEY want. This means murder would still be illegal, as would many other things we already consider "wrong".

      The problem comes in with laws that criminalize "victimless" actions. I know, there's no such thing as a victimless crime, but personal choice, such as sexuality and drug use should be something society shuns, not something the government criminalizes.

    6. Re:An Open Information Society by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

      And if you do something people don't like?

      Everyone will judge you and you are guaranteed to piss people off.

      Example:

      Hit your child? Child abuser! (people saying this, let's call them group A)
      Don't hit your child? Raising an undisciplined kid! (B)
      No child? Something must be wrong with you! (C)

      One of the above 3 groups will be pissed at you no matter what.

      Also, there are unjust laws - imagine if you'd get convicted of every law you ever broke.

      Most people alive would have over 100 years of jail time.

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    7. Re:An Open Information Society by Chyeld · · Score: 1

      David Brin wrote Earth where that was one of the sub-plots of the story, started with the invasion Switzerland to end Swiss bank accounts or some such silliness. Might not be what you were looking for though.

    8. Re:An Open Information Society by under_score · · Score: 1

      Thanks! This is the one I was thinking of. Mod parent up - it's an important essay that should be made more commonly known.

    9. Re:An Open Information Society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree and I propose to take the first step by watching my sexy neighbor take her shower.

    10. Re:An Open Information Society by Taevin · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Interesting essay but the guys sounds like a bit of an asshole apologist for 'Big Brother'.
      For in fact, it is already far too late to prevent the invasion of cameras and databases. The djinn cannot be crammed back into its bottle. No matter how many laws are passed, it will prove quite impossible to legislate away the new surveillance tools and databases. They are here to stay. Light is going to shine into nearly every corner of our lives.
      Why? No one is going to 'legislate away' the development of new surveillance technology but what the hell does that have to do with using it to monitor everyone's activities? Assuming the people can actually rein in the government, laws preventing the use of such technology in any public place by any one for any reason would be easy to pass.

      Again he just sounds like an asshole: "Our will is absolute and we will do as we please with your life and no, citizen, you cannot do anything about it because you are just a sheep to be lead by your superiors." Fuck that.
    11. Re:An Open Information Society by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      Privacy exists, but people treat it strangely. They want it to be legaly protected like property but are unwilling to personally protect it. For example, you lock your doors at night but consider buying a firewall too inconvenient. We peek out the door to see who's there before opening it, but we open every email regardless of who sends it.

      Our attitude towards privacy is like living in a house without doors and then complaining that the government needs to do something to stop the epidemic of robberies.

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    12. Re:An Open Information Society by Kafka_Canada · · Score: 1

      Thomas More, Utopia -- written almost five hundred years ago.

      (It's wrong, btw).

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    13. Re:An Open Information Society by daspriest · · Score: 1
      "Again, there are ubiquitous cameras, perched on every vantage point. Only here we soon find a crucial difference. These devices do not report to the secret police. Rather, each and every citizen of this metropolis can lift his or her wristwatch/TV and call up images from any camera in town. Here a late-evening stroller checks to make sure no one lurks beyond the corner she is about to turn. Over there a tardy young man dials to see if his dinner date still waits for him by a city fountain. A block away, an anxious parent scans the area and finds which way her child wandered off."

      Actually the essay paints an interesting use for camera's in public places.

      "Assuming the people can actually rein in the government, laws preventing the use of such technology in any public place by any one for any reason would be easy to pass."

      how do you figure, we can't even get laws that fairly implement copyright passed in the US, so assuming that the people would be able to rein in government is a horrible assumption. I found the essay quite brilliant, and looking at the direction that things are going, I will move to city number 2, TYVM.

    14. Re:An Open Information Society by Hellburner · · Score: 1

      Actually, Sawyer also wrote along this line in his Neanderthal series.

      This is a fictional Neanderthal dominated Earth where they have evolved a technological society.

      Every action they make - their entire lives - is recorded. The recordings can only be accessed during legal proceedings.

      I've read the first 1 and a half of the 3 books in the series. Pretty cool.

    15. Re:An Open Information Society by Taevin · · Score: 1

      I agree, the essay was interesting - in fact I stated this with the first two words in my original post. He is also quite right that the way things are going we will have a society where surveillance cameras are ubiquitous (although with the way the government has been behaving it will be city number 1 without the choice for moving to city number 2).

      My problem was not the fact that he pointed this out but that he didn't say something like "If you don't like all this, it's still possible to prevent it by urging your representatives to oppose such uses." Rather, he flat out says there is nothing you can do to stop this so you better like it, and oh let me wave my hands and paint a nice picture for you so you'll aggree. Someone with a Ph.D. should be enlightened enough to realize that the government only has as much power as the people give it. And as long as the intellectual elites like him (as far as the average citizen would view him) try to obfuscate this, we will end up in his vision of society whether it's good or bad.

    16. Re:An Open Information Society by daspriest · · Score: 1

      I afree that our government only has as much power as we are willing to give it. It is a sad state of affairs we are in when the masses of the population sit idly by as the government gains more power. As much as I would like to say otherwise, unless there is a massive shift in the population as a whole, we are headed down the road he is describing, and there really is nothing a single citizen can do about it as long as the mass of society follows the piper like mice. A person is not stupid enough to follow this road, but society as a whole is.

    17. Re:An Open Information Society by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      the guys sounds like a bit of an asshole apologist for 'Big Brother' No, the guy sounds like a realist. Scott "Privacy is dead, get over it" McNealy sounds much more like an asshole apologist for Big Brother!

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    18. Re:An Open Information Society by nmos · · Score: 1

      Why? No one is going to 'legislate away' the development of new surveillance technology but what the hell does that have to do with using it to monitor everyone's activities? Assuming the people can actually rein in the government, laws preventing the use of such technology in any public place by any one for any reason would be easy to pass

      The problem is that cameras are so common and so unobtrusive most people just don't grasp how much they are being observed/recorded. If anything that is only going to get worse as more and smaller cameras are added. If it were required that any camera in a public place must be publically accessible then any inappropriate cameras would be a lot more obvious and quickly removed.

  12. Another stupid cutesy technical term? by Heffenfeffer · · Score: 5, Funny

    'Spear phishing'? Oh great, what's next? Bass phishing - searching for orders made at koss.com Phly phishing - searching for info in TRL posts Net phishing - Oh, wait...

    1. Re:Another stupid cutesy technical term? by Schwartzboy · · Score: 1

      Ice Phishing: Breaking through a wall of "black ice" when attempting to get your phishing phreak on during an intense hack.

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    2. Re:Another stupid cutesy technical term? by NinjaFarmer · · Score: 1

      Is there a reason why this term is particularly phallic?

    3. Re:Another stupid cutesy technical term? by pherthyl · · Score: 1

      I would think since they blindly send out mass emails, it really is closer to dynamite phishing.

  13. Server by cached · · Score: 2, Informative

    Because the server is being /.ed, heres TFA:

    A report published this week from IBM Corp. suggests that phishing schemes are growing in sophistication, allowing would-be Internet criminals to target their victims by name. A targeted or "spear phishing" attack is designed to extract data from a specific individual or organization, maximizing damage caused and financial gain. IBM estimates that these types of attacks have grown ten-fold this year alone. According to the company, they can be used for identity theft, extortion, fraud and to steal specific intellectual property. "We're seeing it as a targeted security threat within financial institutions as well as government regulatory bodies," said Michael Small, security practice leader for IBM Canada. "It's very targeted with a specific purpose to ensure that they try to get access to privileged information for, usually, profit. Its concerns are linked to cyberterrorism as well as obviously organized crime." Until now, the most common form of phishing attacks were those that attempt to disguise themselves as e-mail from banks or common consumer Internet services like eBay or its payment arm PayPal. They aren't addressed to a specific person but are sent out as widely as possible in an attempt to snare a few unfortunates who are willing to part with bank account information or their eBay identities. Mary Kirwan, CEO of Toronto-based security firm Headfry Inc., said that these types of attacks may be on the decline but agreed with IBM that spear phishing is a growing concern. "These are higher payoff crimes, so it's in their interest to follow the money, essentially," she said. "There's no real consensus among the global banks as to how to deal with that right now. Some of the banks are acknowledging that you don't have to be a dummy to fall for these scams." This isn't the first time banks have been identified as a lucrative target. In 2003, Symantec Corp. noted that a virus called Win32.Bugbear.B was sent by likeminded criminals to financial institutions such as J.P. Morgan Chase, Citibank and American Express. Security experts believed that Bugbear was designed to scan an inbox for any indication that it belonged to a bank employee. Recovery from targeted attacks and malware in general costs a Canadian organization an average of $30,000 to $40,000, said Small. He added that IBM is sharing its research with customers, partners and vendors to help them prevent such attacks. Nuisance e-mail like spam appears to be leveling off, according to the IBM report. In January of this year, spam accounted for 83 per cent of global e-mail. That number had fallen to 67 per cent by June. There are new problems on the horizon, however. In March, a new threat called Domain Name Service (DNS) cache poisoning was discovered. Cache poisoning can hijack a user's browser and direct them towards a specific site or advertisement by corrupting a DNS server's ability to map machine host names to a correct IP address. Variations of these types of attacks have been around for years, but cache poisoning is becoming more sophisticated and a DNS server that isn't configured properly is particularly susceptible.

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  14. Why phishing? by spun · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why not phunting or gaphering, hmmm? Isn't this whole thing rather fish-centric? I prefer to think of the rubes taken in by these cons as vegetables, thus I think we should use the term gaphering.

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    1. Re:Why phishing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or sheep, suggesting "phlocking" instead. Or would that be seagulls?

    2. Re:Why phishing? by milktoastman · · Score: 3, Funny

      phsexy! What?! You no giddy gromble po-kitty?!! Beeng-a-beeng-a-caca! Waca snaca boca!

    3. Re:Why phishing? by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      I kinda liked "pharming"

  15. Phishing to Fish by Gnpatton · · Score: 0

    One development I see this coming from is how phisers will try to 'spear phish' to get the most detailed information out of an individual then pose as that individual to phish out the rest of the pool. Suppose a phisher was able to get very detailed information about a xyz CEO. Impersonating said CEO could give the phiser much more valuable information from the other employees. Spear phishing can catch small fish so that they can use it for bait for larger fish.

  16. Opportunity to make a difference? by It+doesn't+come+easy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've always thought that someone with a strong opinion on the pitiful state of privacy laws in the US would ... how do you say it ... demonstrate just how easy it is to steal someone's identity in this country (using, of course, selective politically connected individuals as test cases). Nothing like getting a senator interested in stronger privacy protection after they get the bill for that $5000 digital camera someone "bought" using their credit card.

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    1. Re:Opportunity to make a difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is a "me too" post!

    2. Re:Opportunity to make a difference? by Evil+Butters · · Score: 1

      Sorry, even if you can steal the identity of a US Senator, not much will happen. From a recent article, "Two people who tried to use a credit card number belonging to Cindy McCain, the wife of Sen. John McCain, were sentenced Wednesday to 2 1/2 years in prison for identity theft." Aside from 2.5 years in prison (probably less with parole), nothing else has really been done with this incident. Here's the actual article from the AZ Republic, if anyone's interested.

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    3. Re:Opportunity to make a difference? by the_womble · · Score: 1

      I can think of lots of ideas like this. For example fake DMCA complaint against a website belonging to a a member of a politicians family.

      There is, however, a drawback. ANYTHING LIKE THIS IS A CRIMINAL OFFENCE. Jail sounds like a good reason not to do it.

      Morally it is not dissimilar to beating up a politician to demonstrate the trauma of violent crime. Not acceptable, even if your motive is the "greater good".

      Anyway, all you need to do is wait. Sooner or later the genuine bad guys will do it anyway.

  17. The real question is... by swelke · · Score: 3, Funny

    The real question is: Would this still be news if they hadn't come up with such a catchy name (spear phishing)?

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    1. Re:The real question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      s/catchy/gay/g

  18. Multiple institutions *are* responsible by MirrororriM · · Score: 5, Interesting
    but the chilling part is how your identity will now be dependent on multiple institutions protecting your personal information

    The way I see it, all personal information I send to a particular company should be confidential and protected. Some if it they simply don't need. For instance, why the hell did the clerk at Hollywood Video ask for my SSN to open a damn account to rent movies?! They did not need my SSN and I sure as hell didn't give it to him either, but it makes me wonder how many people actually *have* given out their SSN just for a Hollywood Video account. Not good.

    If a company does not protect my personal information and it gets stolen and/or misused, you bet your ass they'd see some backlash from me. The only bad thing is, it's hard to figure out exactly *which* company that held your personal information was compromised. It's certainly not like they're going to volunteer the fact that they were comprimised, otherwise you might take your business elsewhere (to a more responsible company). Just look at the millions of people who had their information on backup tapes "misplaced" by a UPS driver (posted on slashdot a while back) after the company was stupid enough to send that info via UPS to begin with.

    Companies that have our personal information need to be held accountable on how they handle it and should be prosecuted to the fullest when they mishandle it.

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    1. Re:Multiple institutions *are* responsible by Karma_fucker_sucker · · Score: 3, Interesting
      why the hell did the clerk at Hollywood Video ask for my SSN to open a damn account to rent movies?!

      Video places use it for a credit check. They're loaning you a movie.

      On the other hand, here's a trick I learned. When you're asked for a SSN, say "I'm soooo sorry! I didn't think I needed it. I'll have to come back!" 90% of the time, the clerk will just say "We really don't need it, just hang on." I kid you not! Try it! It pisses me off that a lot of firms "require" this information but when you balk or plead stupidity (in my case),it's amazing how it all of a sudden "doesn't matter."

      When I was taking a marketing class, we were told by the Prof. that to get information for whatever reason, all we had to do was ask. Most people just hand it over. I would love to get into the social reasons for this, but for now, I'll just say that we're all (in Western countries at least) to just shutup and hand over anything anyone in authority or perceived authority requests...I'm starting to rant and my spellink is going to hell. Off to the porn sitesss!

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    2. Re:Multiple institutions *are* responsible by robertgeller · · Score: 0

      Most people just hand it over. I would love to get into the social reasons for this, but for now, I'll just say that we're all (in Western countries at least) to just shutup and hand over anything anyone in authority or perceived authority requests...I'm starting to rant and my spellink is going to hell. Off to the porn sitesss! That's very true. I bet all of us have been to U.S. airports post-9/11. What's with the TSA mandating that everyone takes their shoes off? We just don't do it, and if they give us a hard time, we'll wait in that little compartment until they look over our stuff and let us go. Too many Americans just think, "oh well, it's no big deal; just get it over with." However, that's an awful mentality when we consider history and how it's affected previously apathetic populations. Needless to say, no longer were they apathetic!

    3. Re:Multiple institutions *are* responsible by Karma_fucker_sucker · · Score: 1
      Absolutley. Once, while being screened, the TSA guy in Pheonix actually asked if it was "Ok". I said "Do I have a choice?" He said, "Yes. If you refuse that officer (pointing to a local cop) will escort you to the curb outside."

      The sucky part is if we want to stick our rights, we have to eat the cost of the plane ticket. And the time, too. It really pisses me off too that we either have to put up or eat the plane ticket. I don't have the money to do that. Oh, I wish! The fuckers!!!!

      P.S. The pornsites are boring today!

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    4. Re:Multiple institutions *are* responsible by whterbt · · Score: 1

      Damn straight.

      Just last week, I was going through my mail and found, like I do all the time, a set of balance transfer/cash/etc. checks for one of my credit cards. I opened it since I always shred these checks, and was surprised to find not only a set of my checks, but also someone else's.

      If I had wanted to, I could have used those checks in 6 different places where they wouldn't have checked ID. The banks sure as hell don't check signatures anymore -- I've seen instances where checks with NO signature go through.

      Instead, I shredded both sets of checks and called up the responsible credit card company to close my account. Who knows who the hell might wind up with my checks in the future.

      The conversation went something like this:

      • Cust Rep: How may I help you today?
      • Me: I need to close my account immediately.
      • CR: That's too bad, may I ask why?
      • Me: Yes, you sent me balance transfer checks for another account holder.
      • CR: I see, but how does that affect you?
      • Me: (stunned for a second) Because I don't want the same thing to happen to ME.
      • CR: (pause) OK, we'll go ahead and close that account, please destroy all cards and checks associated with the account.
      • Me: You bet I will.

      No concern whatsoever for the breach of privacy and security. Simply amazing.

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    5. Re:Multiple institutions *are* responsible by MirrororriM · · Score: 1
      Just last week, I was going through my mail and found, like I do all the time, a set of balance transfer/cash/etc. checks for one of my credit cards. I opened it since I always shred these checks, and was surprised to find not only a set of my checks, but also someone else's.

      Heh, earlier this morning, I threw up an article on my blog about junk mail - that crap is the WORST! It takes time out of my day to shred that kind of crap. I know a bit about mass mailers and how they work, so I threw this up. I'm hoping some will follow suit. Pardon the shameless plug. The most recent two articles pertain to junk mail.

      I've created a PDF'd form letter I add with my return envelopes too which is also downloadable there. Enjoy.

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    6. Re:Multiple institutions *are* responsible by swillden · · Score: 1

      What's with the TSA mandating that everyone takes their shoes off?

      Actually, they don't mandate it. They just "recommend" it. You're not required to take your shoes off. If you go to an airport where the TSA "recommends" that you take them off, and you refuse, then you will be wanded and patted down, and may have your bags searched as well.

      We just don't do it, and if they give us a hard time, we'll wait in that little compartment until they look over our stuff and let us go.

      Look over your stuff and wand you and patt you down... I travel enough that I've learned it's quicker to take off my shoes. I try to wear shoes that I can remove and replace quickly.

      Too many Americans just think, "oh well, it's no big deal; just get it over with." However, that's an awful mentality when we consider history and how it's affected previously apathetic populations.

      Except that your suggestion -- just go through the more rigorous security check -- doesn't really fight the process. You just take a different, and less convenient, route through it. The real problem is the whole notion that you should be subject to a search of your person and your belongings before you're allowed on an airplane. Not to mention the fact that you're required to identify yourself. Of course, the really huge problem, as John Gilmore discovered, is that the laws that require all of this, the laws that make it *legal* for the TSA to refuse to allow you to board a plane if you don't participate in their little security theatre, are secret. You can't check to see if the TSA is overstepping their authority, or even find out just how far they're legally allowed to go, because you're not allowed to read the laws that give them their authority.

      The real problems are entirely unaffected by whether you choose to be patted down rather than making the TSA agents smell your stinky feet.

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    7. Re:Multiple institutions *are* responsible by robertgeller · · Score: 0
      I don't know why all of my posts are modded so low all the time. I think the mods have something against me. :D

      Actually, they don't mandate it. They just "recommend" it. You're not required to take your shoes off. If you go to an airport where the TSA "recommends" that you take them off, and you refuse, then you will be wanded and patted down, and may have your bags searched as well.

      In my book, "recommend" meets "mandate" when one has no other choice but to either take off his shoes or be searched, wanded, and patted down like an illegal Mexican immigrant.

      Look over your stuff and wand you and patt you down... I travel enough that I've learned it's quicker to take off my shoes. I try to wear shoes that I can remove and replace quickly.

      It's great that you go along with the crowd. Heck, you've even found a way to go along with the crowd faster!

      Except that your suggestion -- just go through the more rigorous security check -- doesn't really fight the process. You just take a different, and less convenient, route through it. The real problem is the whole notion that you should be subject to a search of your person and your belongings before you're allowed on an airplane. Not to mention the fact that you're required to identify yourself. Of course, the really huge problem, as John Gilmore discovered, is that the laws that require all of this, the laws that make it *legal* for the TSA to refuse to allow you to board a plane if you don't participate in their little security theatre, are secret. You can't check to see if the TSA is overstepping their authority, or even find out just how far they're legally allowed to go, because you're not allowed to read the laws that give them their authority. The real problems are entirely unaffected by whether you choose to be patted down rather than making the TSA agents smell your stinky feet.

      I understand what the real problem is, but now I think we're just being idealistic. I was just stating what *we* do when we are "recommended" to take off our shoes by the TSA "agents," not stating that I am solving the problem by refusing their "request."
    8. Re:Multiple institutions *are* responsible by swillden · · Score: 1

      It's great that you go along with the crowd. Heck, you've even found a way to go along with the crowd faster!

      The crowd's got nothing to do with it. I average about one airline flight per week (I'm already up to five this week, and fly home on another tomorrow), so my goal is to waste as little time as possible.

      I understand what the real problem is, but now I think we're just being idealistic. I was just stating what *we* do when we are "recommended" to take off our shoes by the TSA "agents," not stating that I am solving the problem by refusing their "request."

      And my point is that your action makes no sense. It wastes your time and others' (and often other passengers', not just the agents') and serves no purpose, makes no point. I guess if you enjoy being patted down, then it does have a purpose. If that's the case, I have some other suggestions for you, ways to make sure that you get a really thorough searching. With a little thought, I'm sure we could arrange a body cavity search. But if it's just petty defiance, it's counterproductive.

      I don't really care what you do, of course -- odds are it's not going to delay me. The reason I decided to respond was because your post seemed to indicate some sort of pride in your recalcitrance, like you thought you were performing an act of civil disobedience or something. If that's not what you meant, please excuse me. If it's not what you meant, I'm curious to know exactly why you do it.

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    9. Re:Multiple institutions *are* responsible by robertgeller · · Score: 0
      It's not mere and trivial recalcitrance that leads me to disobey the so-called "authority" that is the TSA.

      Think about it this way: if enough people do a certain thing, they're bound to make a difference. If enough people just stand up for their rights and say, "I've had enough," you can bet the TSA will be forced to revise its draconian policies.

      On the other hand, if you don't want to waste a few minutes to make a public statement and state your disagreement with these policies (and politics) -- however trivial it might ostensibly be -- that's fine, but don't expect change anytime soon.

    10. Re:Multiple institutions *are* responsible by swillden · · Score: 1

      if enough people do a certain thing, they're bound to make a difference.

      Some things, yes.

      If enough people just stand up for their rights and say, "I've had enough," you can bet the TSA will be forced to revise its draconian policies.

      Exchanging a body search for removing your shoes isn't standing up for your rights. It's just inconveniencing yourself to no benefit. And it won't make the TSA do anything at all... they'll happily hold up the line behind you in order to search you thoroughly. If enough people did it to slow down the security lines significantly, they'd just use that to argue they need more staff and/or the new backscatter x-ray machines so they can violate your privacy more quickly and more thoroughly.

      If you want to stand up for your rights, join John Gilmore and refuse to show ID. Demand that they show you the law that requires you to identify yourself. More realistically for most of us, writing your congressmen will have far more impact than keeping your shoes on. If even ten percent of travelers bothered to do that, we'd see some changes. After writing to your congressmen, write to the major airlines and tell them that due to the invasive security requirements you've decided to take the train rather than fly. Then do it. If a significant percentage of travelers did that you can be certain things would change. After all, the whole point of instituting the post-9/11 security "enhancements" was to keep the airlines from going bankrupt.

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    11. Re:Multiple institutions *are* responsible by robertgeller · · Score: 0

      Exchanging a body search for removing your shoes isn't standing up for your rights. It's just inconveniencing yourself to no benefit. And it won't make the TSA do anything at all... they'll happily hold up the line behind you in order to search you thoroughly. If enough people did it to slow down the security lines significantly, they'd just use that to argue they need more staff and/or the new backscatter x-ray machines so they can violate your privacy more quickly and more thoroughly.

      I'm surprised that, considering you travel by air each week, you haven't perceived annoyance or frustration from TSA employees when someone refuses to take their shoes off -- or, more likely, you just haven't seen anyone refuse.

      If you want to stand up for your rights, join John Gilmore and refuse to show ID. Demand that they show you the law that requires you to identify yourself. More realistically for most of us, writing your congressmen will have far more impact than keeping your shoes on. If even ten percent of travelers bothered to do that, we'd see some changes. After writing to your congressmen, write to the major airlines and tell them that due to the invasive security requirements you've decided to take the train rather than fly. Then do it. If a significant percentage of travelers did that you can be certain things would change. After all, the whole point of instituting the post-9/11 security "enhancements" was to keep the airlines from going bankrupt.

      There isn't just one way to stand up for your rights and that's it. Writing to your congressman is useless, because they'll never do anything about it. They know that a lot of people are fed up with the TSA and its policies, but heck, mine voted for the bill that instituted the TSA.

      Civil disobedience and making a big scene are more useful than passive requests for change by writing to your useless congressman.

      What ID are you talking about? At security? Sure, one can question all that -- and validly, as well -- but refusing to take one's shoes off is another way to trouble the TSA's employees, and it seems to work pretty well. I should demand that they show me a section of their code that allows them to demand that people take their shoes off or they'll be patted down and wanded -- or a section of their code, at all.

    12. Re:Multiple institutions *are* responsible by swillden · · Score: 1

      You seem to assume that merely irritating the TSA's employees will create some sort of force for change. I don't agree. Similarly, I don't bother screaming at customer service people, except perhaps as a way to get escalated to someone with some decisionmaking authority. Being an asshole to people who have no ability to change anything accomplishes nothing constructive.

      You also assume that congressmen already know that people are annoyed. They know some people are annoyed, but they don't think enough people are annoyed for it to matter. Each letter sent translates to thousands of annoyed voters who don't bother sending a letter, so those letters have more weight than you might think. When congress sees that lots of voters are bothered by what's going on, then congress will fix it. Right now, they believe that, on balance, the voters think that the airport security searches are a good thing. What we need to do is convince them that most voters don't think it's a good thing. Unfortunately for our cause, they're correct about what most people think. Step one is therefore to fix that: convince lots of people that airport security is not only annoying (which everyone will grant) but also unnecessary and frightening.

      Gilmore's lawsuit is the most important step being taken. Giving it more publicity (including to your legislators who may not have heard of it) is probably the most important thing right now.

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    13. Re:Multiple institutions *are* responsible by robertgeller · · Score: 0
      TSA employees can do something under pressure and they subsequently will do something if enough people bother them and give 'em a hard time about everything. They'll complain to their boss, who will in turn complain to his/her boss, and the chain will continue. Perhaps not immediately, but it is quite inevitable that if enough people give enough TSA employees a hard enough time, something will happen to bring about change. Note that these "enoughs" are purely hypothetical and dependent upon people actually doing this, so at this rate, it doesn't look like much is going to happen.

      Also, I think you're assuming that these congressmen think that most people are happy with the way airport security is being handled -- or, at the very least, the direction it is headed. However, do you really know? When the congressmen voted for the Patriot Act, did they ask the public what they thought? Did they even care?

    14. Re:Multiple institutions *are* responsible by swillden · · Score: 1

      They'll complain to their boss, who will in turn complain to his/her boss

      No, they'll complain to their boss, who will tell them to suck it up, they're getting paid $35K per year for unskilled labor, and can put up with some hassle. Unless it becomes a retention issue, and it won't, it'll go no further than that. Griping is just griping, like when I was an Air Force cop and griped that my car didn't have an AM/FM radio, or when I complained that the hard canvas seats on military airplanes were uncomfortable. For people in the TSA, dealing with jerks is just part of the job. Heck, lots of them are former cops and are thoroughly used to it.

      Do you know any TSA employees personally? Or any people who are trying to get hired by the TSA? If you get to understand their world a bit, you'll realize I'm right, and you're just wasting your time and theirs, to zero effect. And occasionally you waste other passengers' time, too.

      When the congressmen voted for the Patriot Act, did they ask the public what they thought?

      Yep, and polls showed that the public wanted them to Do Something. The FBI and others provided recommendations of Something to Do, so they wrote it up, passed it and went out to tell everyone that they Did Something.

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    15. Re:Multiple institutions *are* responsible by robertgeller · · Score: 0

      There's absolutely no use arguing with you, but to do something is at least better than doing nothing. Both you and I are both going off of assumptions, you that it will do virtually nothing, me that it will do something, even if it won't rid the world of the hellish TSA and related government agencies (*cough* DHS). At least there's a small chance that I'll get somewhere with mine, whereas with yours, you've basically conceded failure to change anything and are now doing as you're told -- exactly what the TSA wants from you.

    16. Re:Multiple institutions *are* responsible by swillden · · Score: 1

      Huh? I've conceded failure because I choose to protest through a route that actually has some chance of doing some good, while you're fighting the good fight by annoying some people who are just trying to do the job they've been given?

      Now, if you'd told me that you've been working your representatives with letters, contributions, phone calls, etc., and you've been writing letters to the editor of the paper and generally trying to raise awareness of the issues, and then decided that you may as well bother the TSA employees in addition to all of that, then I would grant that you're making sense. I would grant that after exhausting the best avenues of attack, you're putting some effort into the low-odds channels as well.

      As it is, you're just doing something that is easy and makes you feel like you're fighting The Man, but the only real effect is to harrass some wage slaves. I hope you'll someday have the experience of being harrassed by people who figure that maybe, just maybe, your irritation will trickle a dozen levels up the chain and convince your boss's boss's boss's boss's boss to change something.

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    17. Re:Multiple institutions *are* responsible by robertgeller · · Score: 0

      As it is, you're just doing something that is easy and makes you feel like you're fighting The Man, but the only real effect is to harrass some wage slaves. I hope you'll someday have the experience of being harrassed by people who figure that maybe, just maybe, your irritation will trickle a dozen levels up the chain and convince your boss's boss's boss's boss's boss to change something.

      I look forward to that day, because that day is when I quit that job. If I'm ever in that position, it's because my job's responsibilities include annoying and pestering people.

    18. Re:Multiple institutions *are* responsible by StrongAxe · · Score: 1

      Several people I know use random non-essential chunks of data as identifiers to track where such information comes from, most often, a middle initial. So if you get junk mail for John A. Public, it was leaked from company 1; mail to John B. Public was leaked from company 2, etc. It gives a good idea of whom to go after if you decide to sue (or whom to stop doing business with if you don't).

      I've heard of the same technique being used by people who aggregate and publish public-domain information; their competitors have the right to publish the same information from the raw sources, but not from their copyrighted compliation. They can track such plagarism by introducing subtle errors; if these errors are copied, they must have been plagarized. This is used by dictionaries, which introduce typos or fake words, or mapmakers, who may missppell a place name, or move a place slightly to the wrong location.

  19. So lemme get this straight . . . by mmell · · Score: 1
    Instead of harvesting as much information as possible about everyone they can and then winnowing that down to information they can use, the cybercrooks are now targetting those individuals from whome they expect to be able to steal something, and then going after all the information they can on that select group?

    This is great!!! With my credit history, I'm safer than ever now! Nobody in his right mind would try to use my identity for any money-making venture! ;^D

    1. Re:So lemme get this straight . . . by ebrandsberg · · Score: 1

      All it takes to get people to laugh is to apply for credit somewhere, or a checking account, or any loan in general... So yea, I love this. No ID theft for me.

  20. scattered info by milktoastman · · Score: 1

    The "spear" dubnym surprises me. Why is it we're not out on the theft ledge just as yet? So, I feel a little ill coming down off the server room floor, and I read this, and I'm glad the air is on. So many little busy unlaid phisher bitches out there want to steal my identity. Hey, I'll hand it to you and give you a 200 dollar shopping spree if you want to come fight me for it in person. And I don't mean your bosses in the mob paying you for your efforts...I mean you. If you're bigger than me...well, I guess I'm screwed. Doogs. I know one thing though, the blue color is dark and pinpricked as with stars at the very point where we meet. Look, it's like a faded poster for the old 80's classic.

    1. Re:scattered info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      scattered info? hello? bring it back home bay-bee, bring it back. bring it back home bay-bee, bring it back.

      macaroni candle

    2. Re:scattered info by milktoastman · · Score: 1

      I put a mention out to salmon in a comment above. Do you like salmon from the electric blue, or the sickly green?

    3. Re:scattered info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer it out of the deep electric blue (if you must know).

  21. Fishing by zimus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Spear fishing is kinda hard, I prefer using a shotgun or dynamite.

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    Is your terror cell living in terror? Is your safe-house not so safe? If so, read the New York Times, the jihad journal.
    1. Re:Fishing by DarkSarin · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I prefer pipe bombs myself, but hey... to each their own.

      When my friends start talking about fishing, I tell them that my fishing pole has a fuse on one end. The smart ones understand what I mean.

      --
      "We don't know what we are doing, but we are doing it very carefully,..." Wherry, R.J. Personnel Psychology (1995)
    2. Re:Fishing by Persol · · Score: 1

      The real question is, how do two spear phishers stack up to a pair of sharks with fricken lazer beams?

      No contest:
      http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&wo rd1=spear+phisher&word2=shark+laser

  22. 10 years behind the times? by porky_pig_jr · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Make it about 2000. Christianity died with Christ.

    1. Re:10 years behind the times? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus didn't try to start a new religion, he was trying to reform an old one. You are thinking of Peter and Paul and their followers.

  23. Re:So the phishers have refined SALMON PIES by milktoastman · · Score: 1

    Could the "spear phishing" analogy be extended into salmon as one example. Now, I'm not so ambitious or overwrought to try and work in the differences between pharm- and wild-raised salmon.

  24. You're right! by Karma_fucker_sucker · · Score: 1, Insightful
    And...we should have people's religious preference and background on this ID. Then....if they're, let's say, Muslim or a convicted cracker, we'll have them wear a yellow star on their shirts. That way the children will be safe!

    By the way, have you thought of being a psychic? You predicted the flaming. ;-)

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    Evil people don't think they're evil. - George Lucas, Making of Ep III
  25. PLEASE TO BE NOT REPORTING US TO FBI!!!1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny


  26. prisoner's dilemma by tacokill · · Score: 1

    This is a classic prisoner's dilemma. Your idea is a great one -- as long as EVERYONE plays by the same rules and opens up. If one person (or entity) does not, then they have an advantage over the rest of us.

    And this is why your idea will not work. As long as there is incentive NOT to open up, then someone, someplace won't do it.


    And for those that don't know what a priosoner's dilemma is, let me try to explain. It goes something like this: 2 prisoners are in jail and awaiting trial. The expected outcomes of their sentence are are:
    a) if person A cooperates and the other doesn't, the one who cooperated gets 0 years and the other gets 5 years.
    b) if they both cooperate w/ authorities and turn on each other, the will both receive 2 years.
    c) if they both don't cooperate, they both get 0 years


    This creates an interesting problem because the natural reaction is to rat each other out and assure their own minimal sentence. However, if they both do that, then they both get screwed with a 2 year sentence. The best of all outcomes is that they both keep quiet and get 0 years --- but the likelihood of that happening is small because there is such an incentive to rat the other guy out.

    1. Re:prisoner's dilemma by flonker · · Score: 1

      Actually, your numbers are a bit off from the original prisoner's dilemma. As usual, Wikipedia has a good article on the matter. However, variations on the game are always fun thought experiments.

  27. I agree. Look at stem cells and the Reagans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's still a hot debate, but some Republicans definitely perked their ears up when Ron Reagan's family started getting involved with stem cell lobbying.

    All it takes is one high-profile, CNN-covered major story to get our government's attention and get some changes done.

  28. If they would just attack the politicians... by ScooterBill · · Score: 1

    You just know that something would be done to limit sharing of financial and personal information if a bunch of high ranking congresspeople had their identites stolen. Perhaps then they would think of someone other than the corporations who insist on "the right" to share whatever information they want about anybody.

    M

    1. Re:If they would just attack the politicians... by deathy_epl+ccs · · Score: 1

      "I love it when a plan comes together." - Col. John "Hannibal" Smith

  29. Mental note... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "Troll" on /. == Satire.

    Oh, I wish there was a way to explain humor or a poor attempt at it to the mods.

    And Goddam /. for inventing "Troll" and "Flamebait"

    Famous "Troll"s and "Flaimers:" people:

    Thomas Paine

    Thomas Jefferson

    Ben Franklin

    Karl Marx

    Dr. Rev. Martin Luther King

    Martin Luther

    etc ...

    People who spoke what they truly believed and got Fucked for it!!!

  30. Lucrative Targets... by bwcbwc · · Score: 1
    This isn't the first time banks have been identified as a lucrative target.

    More like the billionth time. As Willie Sutton never said when asked why he robbed banks: "Because that's where the money is."

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    We are the 198 proof..
  31. MOD PARENT UP - Please. by Karma_fucker_sucker · · Score: 1

    Thank you! I was just trying to illustrate why a national ID card would be folly. I guess one of the modderators was from Germany or something.

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    Evil people don't think they're evil. - George Lucas, Making of Ep III
  32. Fun with adverbs by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Funny
    "Its concerns are linked to cyberterrorism as well as obviously organized crime."


    Surreptitiously organized crime may be involved also, but they keep such a low profile that it's hard to tell.

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    I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
  33. Scamming is way too easy by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 1

    Just last week, a friend of mine's bank account was overdrawn on her payday even though she had direct deposit.

    What happened is that someone used a fake id and her bank account number to cash $15,000 in fake money orders at two local banks. She didn't have even a thousand dollars in her account, but the banks gave the cash in "good faith". Well, now the bank is refusing to remove the 15,000 debit on her account and their only advice to her is to "borrow the 15,000 from your relatives and pay us back". She has already opened a new account at another bank, but I fear she may never get her paycheck the bank swallowed or the 15,000 off of her credit report.

    On top of all that, after contacting the FBI, she was told that they won't even bother to investigate this crime. The agent said that other people have been scammed for millions and that her 15,000 isn't even worth it.

    She is having a hard time getting any information on what the bank is doing to investigate this, but from what she can tell they are saying it's her problem because it is her account.

    1. Re:Scamming is way too easy by pete6677 · · Score: 1

      Tell her to complain to the state and federal regulatory boards. Banks are heavily regulated and this one probably violated some regulations in the course of these events. In fact, simply telling the bank manager that she will notify the boards will probably be enough to get the bank to take care of things on their own, since they really don't want any more regulatory red tape than they already have. And of course, filing a local police report will help to document the theft and make it more likely the bank will take it seriously. She will unfortunately have to do a lot of the leg work herself, since banks aren't especially motivated to go out of their way to help people in cases like this.

    2. Re:Scamming is way too easy by FLEB · · Score: 1

      I'd say to sue the bank for defamation of character or suchlike, but I imagine there's probably a protective law against that somewhere.

      I really think that if the banks and information-holders were held to task and made legally liable for their part in unreasonable* information theft, you would see much more secure bank and credit card transaction handling.

      * Yes, yes, I know, "unreasonable" is a sloppy, scary word. There would have to be a line drawn so if it the customer did not follow instructions or did not take standard precautions, they would be liable.

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      Entertainment wants to be paid.
      You just want to be cheap.
    3. Re:Scamming is way too easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have your friend write to the bank president (on dead trees that is) explaining the unfairness of the situation, and include a rather visible carbon copy of the local television affiliate stations. Local news stations eat this stuff up, and it tends to get picked up by networks.

      The FBI doesn't do wire fraud anyway, the Secret Service does. Try them.

    4. Re:Scamming is way too easy by cluckshot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Solution is already contained in the "Fair Debt Collection Practices Act of 1979." The only problem here is that it is only applied to credit. Being one who likes solutions here it comes!

      The solution is to make the feduciary agent (bank) responsible for 100% of all false charges to the account with triplicate damages plus collection costs and legal fees if you have to collect. (This isn't funky law it already works) Application of this to DEBIT accounts would solve the problem to a very large extent.

      The next part of the solution is to require all banks to provide you with 3 account numbers. One is for the actual account where you store your money. Another is an "Incoming Account" which you can publish to the world. Anyone like this friend could have a check deposited this way and no danger because the account is nothing but a key to put money in. The other is an "Out going" account where a person may place a limited amount of money for outgoing epay type or othe draws. This "Out Going" account could be closed and changed at will. That way one could lock out those skunks who try to autopay forever etc. This way one could protect their account.

      A few other notes: We should end the "Overdraft" and bounced check laws. If a check does not have money, it should just be a refused transaction. Coupled with this the provision to immediately transfer funds... This way nobody goes to jail for bad checks, we just refuse them the goods because we can validate their check and charge the funds immediately.

      Of course Banks would have a piss fit over these changes because no more overdraft fees etc. Well Tough Luck to them. Tell them to get a life and start earning their money serving their employers rather than screwing them. We would get fired if we treated our employer with such disrespect. This is only a proposal of good business practices. Nothing else. Skip the lectures about "Free Enterprise" because if a bank cannot make money under a good common set of laws they should go to hell. Mods this is good stuff, get a life if you don't like it!

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    5. Re:Scamming is way too easy by God'sDuck · · Score: 1

      A few other notes: We should end the "Overdraft" and bounced check laws. If a check does not have money, it should just be a refused transaction. Coupled with this the provision to immediately transfer funds... This way nobody goes to jail for bad checks, we just refuse them the goods because we can validate their check and charge the funds immediately.

      but overdraft is a *good thing* when used properly - like when paying in good faith but with bad bookkeeping - payer wants to pay, recipient wants to receive, payer forgets to forward funds, banks goes and gets them and charges payer; case closed. the fee is stinky (unless payer is smart and has a small credit line on the account), but so it goes.

      eliminating overdraft means checks cease being functional tender - if every check merely bounced when the account was empty, businesses that didn't want to wait on delinquents to call in and authorize the transfer wouldn't want to accept them unless they could check their balance at the point-of-sale...which defeats the purpose of checks - remote or delayed payment.

    6. Re:Scamming is way too easy by dotgain · · Score: 1
      I'd say to sue the bank for defamation of character or suchlike, but I imagine there's probably a protective law against that somewhere.

      Um, yeah. You actually have to have been _defamed_ in the first place. She could sue the bank for assault and battery, but there's probably a "protective law" in the way of that, too.

    7. Re:Scamming is way too easy by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      First off you expect the institutions to look after their customers' interests above their own. A proposition like that will get lobbied right out of committee. So, with the fact that you would have to get your neighbors to vote for a politician that would consider it, it doesn't look likely it will ever happen.

      This way nobody goes to jail for bad checks...

      An empty jail makes no profits for the investers. Why do you think that the govt is trying to make even the most trivial violations a jailable offense? They're building all those prisons. Now they must fill them up any way they can, and Walmart might be looking for cheap domestic labor in case China goes sour.

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    8. Re:Scamming is way too easy by cluckshot · · Score: 1

      Your assessment regards the change in status of checks is quite correct. You only made one error. You assumed that they still are this. As of the last 2 years of the Clinton Administration an "E Check" became as valid as a "Wet Check" and as such this property defacto already changed over 6 years ago. Gone! I am only proposing that a check be updated to its current legal status in fact.

      This is in fact just a recognition of fact and law already existing. You can be sent to jail for a bad check someone who stole your identity wrote and cashed by a bank which couldn't give a rats rump about your security or identity. The same bank who advertizes on the tube for the ignorant masses that they will immediately return all false charges to your account....

      This is the whole problem. People are making decisions and actions based upon what they believe rather than the facts of law. I am just reporting so get a life if you don't think its so.

      It is US Government Policy to drive paper checks out of existence. They want to drive currency out as well! They no longer pay bills except by E transactions and they no longer accept that "Legal Tender" but only take it if deposited and "E" transferred. I have sat in the programmer discussions by the Government experts setting this up. They are doing this.

      The fact that we taxpayers tolerate the bill for imprisoning people for long terms because we will not deal with reality and continue to allow our banks to steal our money is just plain foolishnes. Overdraft can be delt with by a credit function attached to a debit as is often the case already. With all do respect the previous post is absolutely a good one and quite astute. I apologize for having been about a mile ahead but I knew what was going on. Please don't take any of this to dispute or denegrate the previous post it was smart. The mods should give him some points.

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  34. Account Accountability by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    The only way to protect our info is through a combo of tech and law. We need to keep control of our personal info ourselves, through crypto client databases which issue one-time password access to counterparties which need to authenticate us. We need to minimize the authentication transactions to only those necessary for actual authentication, encapsulating the transactions as much as possible - passing only money to counterparties, rather than our identites, for example. We need to log accesses to our personal info, to audit unauthorized accesses.

    And we need to protect those transactions with clear laws with real teeth. Jail time for people commiting unauthorized use of our identities. Copyright protection of personal info passed in a transaction, which prohibits further distribution beyond the authorized transaction, even within the momentarily authorized organization.

    We've been living an adolescent bliss of low risk and unaccoutability. But now that we've grown up, we need to act our age.

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  35. MOD PARENT UP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mod paretn up!

  36. Wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's not that the French ID cards can'tbe forged, it's that NOBODY wants to pretend to be French!

  37. Re:Freezing Credit by The+Angry+Mick · · Score: 1

    It's not always necessary to pay a fee to protect your information. Certain states have passed laws allowing you to request the freeze for free - check your state regs for the details.

    Folks should be aware that the credit industry is starting to push for legislation at the federal level that will be far weaker than, and will automatically trump, these state laws. God forbid they lose the ability to extend "valuable offers" from their affiliates and business partners.

    Another alternative approach is to file a fraud alert on your credit report. Doing this is not as restrictive as a freeze, and it will severely limit the amount of people who get access to your files. Anyone attempting to establish a credit account in your name will be advised to contact you directly. The fraud alert can be left on your reports for as long as seven years, or until you request that it be removed (in writing). As an added bonus, you'll also be removed from a lot of junk mailing lists (!) - an instant opt-out, if you will.

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  38. Probably been going on for a long time by Animats · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The "computer security" industry has turned into a volume business aimed at annoyance attacks. The very profitable "wait for high-volume exploit and patch" mindset into which the industry has settled is useless against serious attackers.

    A serious attack has a specific target and attacks it quietly. Serious attackers aren't going to show up in the "top 10 virus" lists. They're probably not going to use an attack that appears in some known signature list. They may have the ability to craft their own attacks, or at least modify known ones beyond recognition. The volume-oriented defense techniques won't work.

    Military security people are very aware of this issue. You don't want to tie up all your resources chasing kids who are throwing rocks at the airfield fence. The real threat is probably being quietly mounted elsewhere.

  39. British banks are clueless dweebs.... by vidarh · · Score: 3, Insightful
    This hit home, as just today I got an e-mail from one of my credit card companies... I regularly (as in several times daily) get phishing attempts to that e-mail accounts pretending to be from all kinds of banks I've never used, so I assumed it was yet another one from the start. But I got curious anyway. After lots of checking it turned out to be genuine.

    The scary part, however, was that it greated me with my first name, suggested I log on to their site, then ended with a paragraph going roughly like this:

    "To make sure you c"n recognise genuine e-mails from us, we will always include the post code of your registered account with us"

    Now, it does stop a phisher from firing off a million random e-mails. What it doesn't do is prevent someone from following your local mail man a couple of days and writing down who gets a statement from said bank (which is one of the worlds largest credit institutions) and firing off messages. That is worse than a random phisher as the bank itself is teaching it's clients to trust messages that include their postcode, even though their postcode is an easily available piece of information, so people are more likely to take the e-mail at face value and not scrutinise it as well as they should. What's worse is that the e-mail included links instead of asking people to go to the site listed on their statements, or similar, teaching people that hey, it's ok to click on links in mails that claims to be from their bank...

    The worst thing is that this kind of behaviour is the norm for British banks. The fuckwits deserve everything they get from these phishers. What sucks is that their customers will get screwed over in the process.

    I've twice been called up by one of my other banks fraud department because they wanted to verify transactions. In both cases they wanted me to provide the security information for my account over the phone when they had called me and I had no way of verifying that they were who they said they were (caller id is trivial to fake, and you wouldn't even need that if the number is unknown but looks plausible to the person taking the call). So again, the fraud department of my bank is teaching its customers that it's ok to give out the very same security details that are sufficient to a) do transfers, b) get passwords for online banking reissued, c) get credit cards reissued.

    Just the other day I overheard a woman on the train to work complaining to her boyfriend about the same thing. In my cases I know it was genuine calls because I called back on numbers I knew belonged to the bank.

    This same bank also tends to accept corporate id cards to let you sign for your credit cards if they're ordered to an office. So, trick people with a phony call, get the credentials, call the bank to get the card reissued, create your own plastic laminated id card, and order it sent to a serviced office somewhere where you rent a room with cash for a day or two... The same bank have twice refused to deliver cards to my home address because dropping it through the letter box was apparently too insecure.

    The great thing about getting a credit card reissued, is that many banks here will accept it as ID. So get a credit card reissued, and voila, instant access to all the poor persons other accounts as well, and from past experience they'll happily offer to let you do over the counter cash withdrawals of however much you want from your credit card accounts.

    They're so clueless it's scary to think I trust them with my money (but the rest of them are just as bad).

    Why did I have to move to a country with a banking system from the dark ages?

    1. Re:British banks are clueless dweebs.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why did I have to move to a country with a banking system from the dark ages?

      Good question. Here's a better one: Why don't you fuck off again?

  40. HUH? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WTF is Spear Phishing? I read TFA and it says:

    "A targeted or "spear phishing" attack is designed to extract data from a specific individual or organization"

    Well uhhh so what, just because it says "Welcome John we need your info" instead of "Welcome user we need your info" I'm going to cough up my information easier? And if they're exploiting companies.. well then that's hacking. Haha.. that's how I read it. SO WTF IS SPEAR PHISHING?

  41. Re:I agree. Look at stem cells and the Reagans by snorklewacker · · Score: 1

    > It's still a hot debate, but some Republicans definitely perked their ears up when Ron Reagan's family started getting involved with stem cell lobbying.

    Yep, like Bill Frist. Using a veto when your party controls congress is an embarassing display of disunity -- using it against your own senate majority leader is mortifying. Karl Rove must be getting really distracted by the grand jury to not be greasing the wheels here.

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  42. Identity proxy by digidave · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder how long before some company comes out with an identity proxy service. You sign up for, say $10/month, and create your virtual identity complete with a real credit card number that's mapped to yours through the service, then sign up to eBay, PayPal, etc using the virtual identity. If it gets compromised, you get a free switch to a new identity.

    You'd end up having to trust that one company, but a single company could quite easily put in place policy and technology to keep your identity safe... that would be their primary focus. That's unlike eBay and others who really just want to do business with you and happen to also have your personal information. Their policies aren't as good as they need to be.

    Besides, with your info only at one place it'd make spear phishing much harder: no relying on little bits of info from many places as a hacker would need to get all your personal info from one place.

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  43. terrorists? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    the usual suspects - criminal and terrorist organizations

    I challenge anyone to name a single time that terrorists have been shown to have used identity theft. The usual suspects are common crooks stealing electronics gear, not political dissenter extremists.

  44. these fishing analogies.... by kiwi_damo · · Score: 1

    where will they stop?

    I predict we'll see :
    - deep sea phishing
    - game phishing
    - phish mongers
    - and so on ad naseum...

  45. Re:CCard proxy exists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a similar service for one-off credit card transactions, but it's not a whole "identity." Sorry for no link or even a searchable name, but it's been a long time since I read the article.

  46. Spear Phishers by Laebshade · · Score: 1

    In news today, IBM has captured one of the notorious spear phishers. Here is a picture of the dubious scum, the Spear Phisher.

    1. Re:Spear Phishers by LollipopKid · · Score: 1

      *shakes head* that is one big menace. how fast do you think he can type in those big gloves?

  47. Aren't people who fear monger also terrorists? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It's very targeted with a specific purpose to ensure that they try to get access to privileged information for, usually, profit. Its concerns are linked to cyberterrorism[..]"

    I find it laughable that a profit-driven crime is first linked, inexplicably, to "terrorists". Lacking substantiation, this seems to have the effect of promoting terror, which makes our intrepid research drone a terrorist himself. Really, could someone create a Bayesian bull$h17 filter for claims that do not actually provide any evidenciary proof of a link to terrorism? Perhaps a filter that could also trigger electroshock?

  48. keep the database lean by curious.corn · · Score: 1

    Ok, sure I'm busting an open door here on /. but I wonder (aloud) why does amazon or ebay ever need to have my credit card data on their db? To lure me into 1-click compulsion shopping? I'm not that stupid and of course I ALWAYS go for kart transaction style and still, it irritates me that amazon doesn't ask me for my visa or shipping every time or better, routes me to visa.com with a session code on visa's servers.

    An estore shouldn't need to keep my CC, personal bio and address at all, on the same tables. Can't they profile me just as well during the transaction query anyway? Shipping data shouldn't last for more than what's necessary to print the invoice or at most be tied to an anon account; credit data shouldn't transit on man in the middle servers, even if legitimate. In the future we'll all have asymmetric smart cards and convenient slots on our digital digestive terminals but until then, CC data should remain on visa's servers and everyone else just receive a boolean + return code... if there's one sound and valid claim for exclusive copyright claims this is it. Hey, I just invented a new technology for secure transaction and customer protection... call the USPTO...

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  49. LMAO Re:I have to say ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    "Subverting" us in our music? Funny. You go right ahead believing that. Here are some random thoughts from someone who's worked on Music Row for the majors and hosted an award-winning show on a major FM station (WRVU-Nashville, 91.1) in a top market, so I probably know more about this subject than you. Plus I have a little time to kill & feel like ranting until my date arrives.

    The charts are for record label execs and commercial radio playlist programmers, and all they really measure these days is payola, ad rates, product placement, how many units were pressed and shipped to stores - *not* how many cds were bought by actual paying customers, or how many people are actually hearing the chosen "hits" on radio. It's a scam.

    "College alternative" is a demographic; there is no "secular alternative" listing in the industry trade journals (ie - Billboard, etc), though I wouldn't be surprised if the xtians made up a category for their own marketing purposes in their internal industry reports.

    "College alternative" was created as a demographic in the early 1990s when the major labels finally figured out that Gen-X was *not* listening to "top 40 classic rock" stations that were still playing Boston and Journey, and that the major labels had missed out on almost an entire decade of truly underground (at the time) college music, ie - Sonic Youth, Husker Du, Negativland and the whole 1980s SST Records catalog; the dance/industrial scene - Skinny Puppy, Front 242, FLA, Ministry, Coil, Nine Inch Nails, etc; misc acts like the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Jane's Addiction, Love & Rockets, the Butthole Surfers - *this* was the real underground college scene.

    When "college alternative" finally wound up in Billboard in the early 1990s, Nirvana and grunge were taking off, and *this* is what the labels decided the underground college music scene was supposed to sound like, forever and ever, amen. The major labels are big corporations, and big corporations hate change, partially because they are slow to react. This is also why the "college alternative" charts have been dominated by the same-sounding, easily forgotten grunge-ish retread acts for almost 15 years, and why what you actually hear on college radio stations has little resemblance to the industry trades. As long as the majors can keep turning a profit by marketing product under this label, they don't care if it accurately reflects what people are listening to in the demographic, or if anyone is actually listening to it period.

    Commercial radio in the US is dying a well-deserved death, losing listeners to commercial-free college and community stations, XM, streaming internet radio (especially for non-US news) and podcasts, LPFM and (of course) mp3 trading. I'm forced to endure typical commercial radio stations a few times a week in the gym, and I can't believe how horrible it's become, or that anyone can leave it on even as background noise for more than a few minutes. Unfunny morning shock-jocks, the same limited playlist cycling every 90-120 minutes, and over half the content is advertising that's screamed at you in as obnoxious a fashion as possible. Good luck sneaking Jeebus in that mess anywhere and actually getting anyone to hear it. ...which finally brings us to the religious stations; they have always been a niche market in that there's very little crossover in either direction; they are already preaching to the choir (pun intended), so their listeners tend not to listen to anything else, and no one who isn't already tuning in regularly to religious stations wants to listen to their content either.

    Which brings us back to the whole "subverting" non-xtian secular music by Jeebus bands pretending to be something else. It just doesn't work. People who don't want to be preached to can spot it a mile away, plus the xtian rock acts are mind-numbingly boring, unoriginal and derivative (IMO); gimmie an xtian band that does something crazy-interesting like, say, Einsturzende Naubauten, or Tom Waits, or even mid-60s John Co

    1. Re:LMAO Re:I have to say ... by nxtw · · Score: 1
      This is by far one of the best posts I have ever read on Slashdot. Definitely one of the top 5.

      Please, mod parent up.

  50. Hmmm. Spear Phishing Tips.... by Retrospeak · · Score: 1

    ...from the Big Blue Whale. Does this release have a catch?

  51. black hats? by oldman57 · · Score: 1

    i thought we were the good guys - please someone explain!!! crackers/haCKERS/WHITEHATS/BLACKHATS AHhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  52. ghoti by kybred · · Score: 1
    Perhaps we can start calling it ghoti-ing!

    kybred

    1. Re:ghoti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if i had mod points...

      brilliant! :)

  53. They were caught by Penguinoflight · · Score: 1

    And with only a 2.5 year sentence that was probably simply a pizza delivery. To get any real action several senators need to be robbed, and the criminals need to be more professional. If the transaction is done just right it's not possible to catch someone... that's why identity theft is so serious.

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    "And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the World"
    1 John 4:14
  54. Freezes depend on state law by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

    You can do that if you live in California. In some other states you have to be an ID theft victim first. In most the option doesn't exist at all. Write your legislator.

  55. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Informative

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  56. Excellent phishing my friend! by arglesnaf · · Score: 1

    Your scheme is ingenious!

    1. Post mirror links to slashdot
    2. Check the browser string to see what OS they are running, which includeds SP level.
    3. Since most slashdot users probably run pirated copies of XP, they couldn't load SP1.
    4. Microsoft only distributes patches for SP1 and SP2 now.
    4. List of rootable hosts!

  57. is this kuro5hin? mod up! by subtropolis · · Score: 1
    Completely off-topic but +5-worthy. I'm so completely in agreement with everything said.

    That, and i've got Gibby Haynes screaming American Woman into a megaphone running through my head.

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    "Our interests are to see if we can't scale it up to something more exciting," he said.