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Clickers Redefining Classrooms

markmcb writes "It seems that teachers may have a new way to boost classroom participation using a device called a clicker. A clicker is a small handheld device that allows its user to wirelessly respond to various prompts selected by a teacher. So when a teacher wants opinions on topics that people tend to shy away from like sex, religion, and politics, the question can be asked and the students can answer anonymously via the clicker. Everything from a simple poll to a graded quiz can be conducted using the device. In the age of cell phones and wireless computers such a technology is likely to be well-received by students, but one can't help but wonder if such a device will breed less assertive graduates who lack the will to stand up and voice their opinion on sensitive issues."

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  1. Re:Heh by LackaDaisy · · Score: 3, Funny

    new middle school "hygiene" film... "is little Johnny a h4x0r?"

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    and did the little girls who lacked daisies seem very morose...
  2. Works Great! by crumbz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yeah, we used those at Northwestern last summer in physics. IIRC about 20% of them actually properly recorded the student response. No thanks.

    1. Re:Works Great! by moonka · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yea, we use them sometimes down here at University of Illinois (Urbana-Champaign). They rarely record the responses, are decently expensive, and while they say at the begining of the year the bookstores will take them back, they don't always, and then you're out the cash those damn things cost.

    2. Re:Works Great! by WhiteBandit · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yup, we used them in our physics classes as well (SFSU). We also have to "rent" them for the semester and it costs us $15, that we never get back.

      These things take up valuable class time trying to get them to work in the first place, only work via line of sight... which you think wouldn't be a problem in a smallish classroom (if they are even working at all) and just are a huge distraction.

      In short, they suck balls.

    3. Re:Works Great! by Robotech_Master · · Score: 4, Informative

      RTFA.

      The article indeed goes over the problems that IR clickers have, but notes that they're being replaced by RF clickers which work much, much more reliably.

      Wish they'd had something like this back when I was in college.

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    4. Re:Works Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Georgia Tech uses this device for some intro Physics Classes and some CS Classes.

      The device we use iPRS uses just a simple infrared signal. In a class with 300+ Students there are several readers mounted in different parts of the room since the device has a relatively short range.

      • No more than one person can submit an answer at any time (thus you have to keep trying to send it until it goes through, you see your name/number change color).
      • You have the possibility to change you answer a certain number of times.
      • The software is available in the lecture pc's and easily analyzable.
      • The device will send a short message that includes: ID # of the Reader & Answer specified

      The PRS response was required as part of the grade for the class (10%). A group of us (CS Majors) started thinking on ideas on how to around this. The first solution we implemented (Before we were able to translate the IR message into clear text) involved "recording" each of the answers from our group, thus one person sitting in the class could answer for all of us through his laptop. We later switched to an IR-Equipped Ipod.

      That was ok but the person answering did not always answer the correct question (answering correctly gave you extra points). We were later able to decode the messages from the IR signal. And that's where things got fun.

      We placed a laptop sitting nearby one of the "sensors" (end of white strip, on wall) and just analyze all the data coming live. We had about 30-60 seconds to answer thus we could analyze the data up to 25 - 55 seconds, estimate what the most "popular" answer was and then submit all of ours answers at the last second. That gave us almost 100% accuracy since whenever the class erred, the professor would step back, re-explain the problem and then see if the answer was right.

      We used iPods, laptops and a CS-classroom-issued-Ipaq. The ipaq would eventually analyze the data through it's own high speed IR port and then send out our "responses" through a mp3 file (that came out of the IR device).

      Also: the system is usecure, it is easy to skew the statistics by introducing new users to the system or to overwrite your ex gf's answer.

      Although there was very little benefit, beating the system felt good!

    5. Re:Works Great! by EnderWigginsXenocide · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yup, college wouldn't have been an institute of learning. It would have become a perpetual "I want to use a lifeline, let's poll the audience" event. Why do I care what percentage of my classmates think is the right data set? I want to hear my professors tell me about the subjects at hand. One just log onto slashdot if they want to hear stupid thoughts on various subjects.

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  3. on the other hand... by dark404 · · Score: 4, Funny
    but one can't help but wonder if such a device will breed less assertive graduates who lack the will to stand up and voice their opinion on sensitive issues.

    Better than breeding graduates who draw dubious conclusions.

    1. Re:on the other hand... by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, I'd expect the opposite. It will give voice the the normally less assertive. People who are already assertive aren't going to start shutting up because of a clicker.

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  4. Just what we need... by grahamsz · · Score: 3, Funny

    Another way to lower the general standard of peoples' communication skills.

    I suppose /. doesn't do enough on its own.

  5. I hope this doesn't come to my school by djkoolaide · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of the best parts about class for me is actually speaking my mind and not being afraid to do it. This would just make people more shy if you ask me. Not a very good way to prepare kids for the real world! There won't be clickers at the office.

  6. Wonderful !?!? by TinyManCan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is just great. Lets teach our kids how to close their brains even more. Instead of using the wonderfully flexible english language, these kids are going to down to a couple of choices. A, B or C.

    Fantastic.

  7. MIT - 8.02 teal by Dogun · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is a terrible idea. I had to sit through a class at MIT rife with stupid ideas like this. Instead of a normal classroom/lecture setting, where you simply learn at your own pace outside of class or pay attention as suits you, you just sit there and *seethe* and this goddamned clicker thing. You don't really feel the need to concentrate or pay attention because no normal person can come up with 5 legitimate sounding answers for you to choose from.

    Maybe this is GREAT for some settings, but this robs students of real interaction with their teachers and replaces it with bullshit polls every 5 minutes. Not appropriate for high school or college, IMHO.

    If you want to do this kind of nonsense, the old show-of-hands technique, in my experience, works wonders, provided that instead of assaulting people who get it wrong, you work towards the right answer.

    And no, I didn't RTFA.

  8. Yeah, these will work real well.... by thewldisntenuff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In a physics course I took at Univ of Arizona, we had these in class. They were supposed to be used as a daily quiz to see if we had actually read. Instead, the system was never properly setup, and there was a fight between the department (which, IMHO, has problems of its own) and the company who made the clickers. The damned things (which cost like $30, IIRC) didn't work til sometime around November, when the course was about to end anyway. And when they "worked", they never recorded student answers properly NOR did they actually record student input. A big waste of time and money - we may as well have used paper and pen. Besides - you run into issues with people bringing two or three clickers for friends.

    -thewldisntenuff

  9. College is no fun anymore.. by simrook · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I recently went through the transistion in my previous college to not having these clicker type devices to having them. We call them PRS. Don't remember what it stands for..

    But anyways, it takes all the fun out of college. At the beginning of class, the prof will require everyone in attendence to "click" into class. You have to point your unit at some sensors and then via wireless signals the computer records your attendance. Thus, every professor on campus is now taking attendence this way. No fun anymore, because you must attened every class, or your grade automaticaly drops.

    Of course, this has it's puropse, and is a great motovational tool. A few of my friends have even reverse eng'ed the deivce and when they're feeling mischivous enough, disrupt the signal enough for the PRS recieving unit to go haywire and throw an error on the screen - thus ending the attendence taking or the quiz taking or what ever. I suspect that these people have learned more from studying the device then any bullshit 2nd/3rd year comp sci course could teach them.

    Devices like these are a major form of social control. Awful for educational purposes, at least so says any student who's had to deal with the little bastards.

    But then again.. when it comes time for me to be the grad student teaching, I'm sure I'll use it. Damn maturity.

    My 0010 cents.

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  10. I'm not a fan by theimplord · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I actually got stuck in a sample class using these, and I'm not a big fan. What happens is the teacher will ask some multiple-choice question, then he has to stop talking for several minutes while he switches to the clicker server program. The whole class strains and points and tries to get the sensors in the room to pick up their answer. There isn't any indication if it was *your* clicker which was picked up by the sensor though, so everyone just keeps clicking. They have to constantly check the screen to make sure that their number was picked up - which doesn't always happen.
    Maybe it's just because they're new, but the teachers I had tried to avoid using the clickers for points. I'm sure the teachers got some decent feedback - knowing what people understood and didn't. Then again, they were in my physics classes, so it was easy to formulate questions and get responses in a "short" amount of time. I certainly appreciated that over homework questions. It did help once or twice to let me know I misunderstood something, but overall, they were very frustrating, and grew to be one of my pet peeves.

  11. So what happens when someone hacks these things? by DingerX · · Score: 3, Funny

    A) Empty classrooms with mysteriously full attendance.
    B) "clicking tools" now loaded in the standard Auditor distro -- everyone in your frat mysteriously gets all the right answers to the quiz; complaints from the rich kids about their fancy Cross ClickBen getting "Clikjacked".
    C) Quiz designed to overcome high school shyness about sexual topics mysteriously reveals entire cheerleadng squad turns out for backdoor antics with donkeys.
    D) Awkward Teacher/Student and Student/STudent interaction replaced with Awkward User/Technology interaction.

  12. Re:Luddites.. by ericdano · · Score: 4, Insightful
    How is it going to make them more assertive? Why not, instead of spending the $30 per student on clickers, and then however much on the software and other crap for it, try to REDUCE the class size, and have a better student/teacher ratio?

    Gee, think about it. A class where you could like know everyone in it? Where the teacher could remember your name. Where you might even have daily social interactions?

    Did Socrates lecture to huge groups? No. He engaged people in small groups in CONVERSATION. This little clicker thing is not engaging people in conversation.

    Lower the number of students per class, and teach these non-assertive people to socialize and converse like normal people, and we'd have a better educational system and society.

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  13. Re:Luddites.. by Frodo+Crockett · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These "clickers" sound like bullshit, and I'll tell you why. I think this will encourage students to pick someone else's ready-made answer instead of synthesizing their own. It's troubling to see our nation's fast food culture* worming its way into the education system. Life isn't a multiple-choice quiz, and education shouldn't be, either.

    * I'm not referring to the book Fast Food Nation, but to our tendency to pick the easiest, fastest, least-thought-required solution to problems.

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  14. only one class? by SuperBanana · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I had to sit through a class at MIT rife with stupid ideas like this.

    Just one? Siiigh, here I go, likely to get modded flamebait, but what the hell. I've talked to numerous MIT students (ranging from current undergrads, to PhD's) in several different fields (mechanical engineering, electronics, etc). I also worked for MIT (see below).

    MIT is "rife", like many "top" schools, with professors who barely show up for the classes they supposedly "teach". TA's run the class, do the grading, and interact with the students. Meanwhile, the professors are busy doing the traditional MIT professor path: invent something, patent it, form a company, get rich off it. MIT has an entire office full of patent attorneys, called the Technology Licensing Office- where I worked for a bit. They measure revenue in hundreds of millions of dollars. MIT has turned into an R&D mill; the Media Lab is a perfect example. MIT's best and brightest from the Media Lab have turned out...a shag-rug-covered alarm clock that rolls off the table when you hit the snooze button. Slightly clever, very half-baked, and utterly lacking in anything even remotely approaching state of the art in -any- field. But it's from an MIT student, from the Media Lab no less, and their shit is gold and smells of rose blossoms- so it gets local, national, and international coverage, and nobody says "hey, this is just an alarm clock with two wheels and motors that turn on for a random bit of time". Ie, something a smart 8th grader could make.

    I went to a college where I was on a first name basis with my CS professors, their significant others...even knew their kids, and I'd bump into them on campus at concerts and stuff. I could, during their fairly wide office hours, walk into their office, plop down on the couch, and ask them questions about the current homework assignment or project. I knew most of the kids in my classes (the largest, an "intro" level class, was 25 people). You know what? I actually learned stuff, and not just what was in my textbook.

    Maybe if MIT professors actually taught their classes, class size would be smaller, students would feel more involved (and hence as questions more often during a lecture) and the quality of the lecture would be such that fewer questions would be necessary in the first place.

    Some will argue that MIT's professors, focusing on research, are its strength. Except to undergrads, they'll never get even close to this state-of-the-art research. The professors who come up with truly revolutionary stuff are usually the furthest removed from students. "Top" schools all sell the same lie the armed forced do- "join us, work on cutting edge stuff!" Well, funny thing that you join, and find yourself cleaning lab equipment. Hey, it's a step up from cleaning toilets in the Air Force general's jet, I guess.

    Want a perfect example of MIT's failure to educate its graduates with real-world, useful skills? The recent underwater vehicle competition where a bunch of barely-literate high school students from a poor texas immigrant community beat the MIT team.