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When Microbes Ate the Ocean

museumpeace writes "When /. discussed a story about microbes that could break down water as a hydrogen source, many commentors went off on a tangent joking about runaway germs eating the oceans. Now, prof Joe Kirschvink and students at CalTech propose that indeed, the worst iceage ever, which nearly ended life on earth 2.3 billion years ago, was the result of algae evolving the ability to break down water and flooding the atmosphere with oxygen. The absence of oxygen consuming organisms at that time is said to have lead to destruction of atmospheric methane which had hitherto warmed the earth. The professor concludes: 'We haven't had a Snowball in the past 630 million years, and because the sun is warmer now it may be harder to get into the right condition. But if it ever happens, all life on Earth would likely be destroyed.'"

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  1. Correction by Propaganda13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It didn't end all life on Earth, and it probably wouldn't if it happened again.

    1. Re:Correction by spikexyz · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, See SLIMES (subsurface lithoautrophic microbial ecosystems) that exist deep in the earth *completely* disconnected from surface activity. They get heat from the earth's core and food from breaking down rocks; these would probably survive and in time could recolonize the surface.

      See: Wilson, E.O. The Future of Life, 2002

    2. Re:Correction by SlashdotOgre · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well the microbes might not, but my Ice-Nine will!

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    3. Re:Correction by Bi()hazard · · Score: 4, Funny

      How are you gentlemen!!

      In a little while you'll notice that several test tubes containing water-processing microbes have gone missing from laboratories around the world. Well, it's in safe hands. If you want them eliminated, you'll have to pay me...one million dollars!

      Gentlemen, you have five days to come up with one million dollars. If you fail to do so, we'll set loose the microbes and destroy the world.

      Gentlemen, silence! I didn't spend six years in evil medical school to make things so easy for you. The million dollar payment must be delivered to us in the space shuttle Discovery, with a crew of operators who will join our organization. To ensure that pirates (we are all well aware that pirates are the greatest threat of the digital age) do not hijack the shuttle, it must be loaded with an arsenal of fully functional nuclear weapons.

      Upon taking possession of our one million dollars and its vessel, we will compensate the cooperative nations of the world by eliminating terrorism once and for all-by monopolizing it. Just as the FCC is eliminating dangerous rogue broadband providers, we will eliminate rogue terrorists and consolidate operations into a single, efficient, capitalistic evil organization. Cooperation is the only option. The power of Capitalism compels you! The power of Capitalism compels you! I trust you will do the right thing, gentlemen. So long.

    4. Re:Correction by Jerf · · Score: 3, Funny
      Have you considered writing fiction professionally? Screenplays in particular; Hollywood could use the help.

      ... you were writing fiction... right...?

    5. Re:Correction by BioCS.Nerd · · Score: 3, Informative

      Linky goodness for the interested: OSU Subsurface Biosphere (tons of articles for the interested)

    6. Re:Correction by maxpublic · · Score: 4, Informative

      you would never beable to get out of the iceage again or something like that.

      That conundrum was solved over 30 years ago. As glaciation reaches the equator and covers the oceans (not to mention all other forms of liquid water) precipitation drops to virtually zero - much like the conditions you see at Amundsen-Scott in Antarctica. That means that carbon dioxide, which is usually washed out of the atmosphere via rain, slowly accumulates over time. And I do mean slowly, since the primary form of input is through volcanic eruption.

      In any event, there's eventually enough carbon dioxide in the air that sunlight reflecting from the ice gets trapped between the ice and the carbon dioxide layer in the atmosphere. This heats up the atmosphere, which starts to melt the ice, which means less sunlight is reflected from the ice and more is trapped in the atmosphere, which means things get hotter and more ice melts, etc. etc. Your snowball world begins to melt and things start swinging wildly towards the other end of the spectrum: a Venus-like hothouse.

      What's to stop a runaway greenhouse effect? Well, with the ice melting and free water making a reappearance you once again get clouds. And that means rain. And that means that some of the carbon dioxide gets washed out of the atmosphere. The more ice that melts the more rain there is the more the carbon dioxide layer begins to fail.

      Snowball Earths can't be sustained indefinitely, nor can greenhouse Earths, so long as there's active volcanism.

      Max

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    7. Re:Correction by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ice-Nine

      Good lord, a literary reference on /.? Without being worked into a goatse, "in Soviet Russia" or "4. Profit!" gag?

      I salute you, sir/madam!

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  2. Terraforming and the beginning of life by loggia · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While this sounds pretty bad, it seems that this was nature's way of "terraforming" our planet. It seems these bacteria might be handy for naturally creating other worlds we can inhabit. After all, we already have organisms that breathe oxygen.

  3. The Easiest Way for Something to Actually Happen.. by eno2001 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...is to just rename the planet. If we start calling Earth by a new name, say "Hoth" for example, the Earth will become an ice planet. Just get a significant number of the inhabitants of the planet to believe anything and it will come to pass. The boiling point of water for instance could easily be lowered or raised if we all, as a collective, just believed it to be possible for water to boil at, say... 90 degrees F. It's simple really. Just basic quantum fizziks with a little new ageyness thrown in for good measure. We now return you to your regularly scheduled propaganda.

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  4. Who Ate the Ocean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I gotta get out more... I read the headline as when Microsoft Ate the Ocean.

    1. Re:Who Ate the Ocean? by fossa · · Score: 4, Funny

      I read once read an eastern (China?) story about a couple brothers with super powers. One of the brothers could swallow the sea. A prince or someone important made him swallow the sea, then went into the dry sea bed to collect treasures. The brother began to get tired, and motioned the prince to return. The prince ignored him and was eventually drowned when the brother had to spit the sea back out... The brothers were then beheaded or something for killing the prince (I think they get away in the end, can't really remember). Not sure why I wanted to share that.

    2. Re:Who Ate the Ocean? by SgtPepperKSU · · Score: 3, Informative

      I believe you are looking for "The Five Chinese Brothers" by Claire Huchet Bishop. This was one of my favorite stories as a small child. And by the way, it was just a little boy that he was helping to fish - not a prince - that was drowned. The other brothers then trade places when they try and execute the first brother (one couldn't be beheaded, one couldn't be drown, and one couldn't be burned). At least this is how I remember it, I could be wrong on some of the brothers. Anyway, I thought I'd reply even though this thread twig is off-topic. I know I love rediscovering old favorites and thought I would share in case others are the same way.

  5. Re:War of the Worlds by eobanb · · Score: 3, Informative

    UGH. *scratches another mark on the wall to keep track of how many times people have confused Orson Welles with H. G. Wells*

    Kids, Orson Welles did not write War of the Worlds. H. G. Wells did, in 1898. Orson Welles just made a dumb little radio adaption of it.

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  6. Who will do the destroying? by unorthod0x · · Score: 5, Funny

    But if it ever happens, all life on Earth would likely be destroyed.

    There's one unwavering faith I have in the human race: The ability to destroy things. That evil algae doesn't stand a chance!

  7. I smell a Blockbuster... by FrankieBoy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bill Paxton as the divorced Oceanographer who's trying to balance being a father to his 18 year-old son with his job.

    Susan Sarandon as the head of the Governments Task Force on the Environment. She's tough and passionate but is there anything she can do?

    Alec Baldwin as the President whos up for re-election. Can he fend off the powerful lobbyists yet still keep his office?

    Jennifer Lopez is the scientist with a solution, but no one will listen due to her reputation as being an alarmist.

    Wil Wheaton with a cameo as The Beaver.

    Steven Spielberg is rumored to be interested.

    1. Re:I smell a Blockbuster... by OldManAndTheC++ · · Score: 4, Funny
      Better yet ...

      Bruce Willis and his crack team of swimming pool cleaners are used to dealing with filthy algae infestations, but can they clean THE WHOLE PLANET?!?

      don't miss ... Algaegeddon!

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  8. I read that story... by phorest · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Definitely must be Vonnegut's Cat's Cradle!

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    1. Re:I read that story... by delibes · · Score: 3, Informative
      Yes, a good bit of sci-fi really. But without giving too much away, it was "Ice 9" and not some algae/bacteria that caused the trouble. On another tangent to the tangent, Ice 9 is a great Joe Satriani track.

      Oh wow! I just checked the Wikipedia article - "The book is currently being adapted into script form by Richard Kelly, the writer and director of Donnie Darko.". Yay!

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  9. Re:Rather unlikely to happen as long as we have fi by delibes · · Score: 4, Insightful
    WTF? "another -1% of O2 and things would not ignite in the free atmosphere".

    Did you study arts at college? Whether something burns depends on the heat you expose it to, the type of material itself, and also (yes) the availability of oxidiser (O2 in the air). Methane gas, coal, and all your other favourite fossil fuels will burn in 19%-O2 air just fine. They might produce marginally more carbon monoxide, but they wouldn't just stop.

    If combustion was that sensitive, I think most candles wouldn't burn because they'd use up the oxygen around them to quickly. And blowing gently on a flame would always put it out rather than increase it, because there's less O2 (about 16%?) and more CO2 in your exhaled breath.

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  10. I wonder... (Mars climate evolution) by scotty777 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Did this happen to Mars?

    The article points out that if Earth was a bit farther away from the Sun, then the Carbon Dioxide would have frozen out of the atmosphere, thus preventing that particular greenhouse gas from bringing on a subsequent warming period. Mars has almost exactly that situation. One or the other of the poles is always cold enough to freeze Carbon Dioxide out of its atmosphere. Too little greenhouse gas ==>>planet stays too cold==>> water permenantly locked up as ice.

    With the discoveries of the last couple of years we know Mars has lots of water and Carbon Dioxide, and Methane to boot! AND we know that temperatures permitted liquid surface water in the distant past.

    Is this reasonable? Could cyanobacteria have doomed Mars? anyone?

    1. Re:I wonder... (Mars climate evolution) by Detritus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think that it is more likely that Mars was doomed by its relatively small mass. Its escape velocity is only 5 km/s, and it doesn't have a strong magnetic field to protect it from the solar wind. This means that the atmosphere will rapidly leak into space.

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  11. Saving the Planet? by Cytlid · · Score: 4, Funny

    The absence of oxygen consuming organisms at that time is said to have lead to destruction of atmospheric methane which had hitherto warmed the earth.

      So if I am generating methane I'm really saving the planet? Will someone explain this to my wife?

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  12. Re:Science is hard by Quadraginta · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't have a subscription to PNAS, so I could only read the abstract, but for what it's worth I think it goes like this:

    All the evidence seems to be geochemical, e.g. they look at the chemical composition of rocks of a certain age and, knowing the chemical reactions that produce that composition, infer the chemical composition and temperature of the atmosphere at the time. This is not unlike the way the Mars Rovers are using the chemical composition of rocks on Mars to acquire evidence for or against the prior existence of liquid water.

    They take for granted that everyone agrees there was a massive glaciation (the "snowball") at a certain time long in the past, and that the early atmosphere was reducing (high in methane, ammonia and water, low in oxygen and CO2), but underwent at another certain time, long in the past, and because of the evolution of photosynthetic organisms (the cyanobacteria), a fairly rapid change to an oxidizing system (high in free oxygen and CO2, low in methane and ammonia).

    What they suggest is that the two events are not unconnected. By discarding certain evidence and adducing other, they argue the two events may be close in time. Hence there might be some connection.

    The connection they suggest revolves around the facts that methane is a known powerful greenhouse gas, and the Sun was cooler in those days than it is now. I speculate they suggest the early Earth was unglaciated because large amounts of methane gave a strong greenhouse effect that compensated for the lower solar illumination.

    But then the evil cyanobacteria (cue Imperial March music) evolved and started producing free oxygen like crazy, which reacted with the methane to produce water and CO2. Away goes the methane, away goes the greenhouse effect (since CO2 is less effective as a greenhouse gas than methane), and the Earth plunges into the deepfreeze.

    Later, the Sun heats up a bit, so less greenhouse effect will keep the temps up, and also aerobic organisms start exhaling CO2 and farting a bit of methane, and all is once again serene.

    The "close call" is because if the Earth were further from the Sun, like near the orbit of Mars, then there wouldn't be any replacement CO2 greenhouse effect, because the CO2 would just freeze out as dry ice.

  13. Re:The Easiest Way for Something to Actually Happe by waynemcdougall · · Score: 3, Funny

    Arthur: What does it say?
    Brother Maynard : It says: "I believe! I believe! Aw crap! my blood's boiling!"
    Arthur: What?
    Brother Maynard : my blood's boiling!
    Sir Bedemere: What, he's dead?
    Brother Maynard: He must've died while posting it.
    Arthur: Oh, come on!
    Brother Maynard: Well that's what it says.
    Arthur: Look, if he was dying he wouldn't bother to type "my blood's boiling!" He'd just say it.
    Brother Maynard: Well that's what's posted on Slashdot.
    Sir Lancelot: Perhaps he was dictating.
    Arthur: Oh, shut up.

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  14. Re:we are in an ice age now!!! by HalfFlat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They should also include the water vapour in their climate models and this is something else they have not done. They include the 5th most abundant gas at 370 ppm (CO2) and ignore the 3rd most abundant gas which is at an average in excess of 10,000 ppm (H2O). Nevertheles it is true that H2O is quite variable and ranges from close to zero to over 70,000 PPM mostly dependant on temperature and available liquid water. Nevertheless the H2O in the atmosphere is responsible for the planet being about 30 degrees warmer than it would be if it were not present. And it is NOT is the climate models used by the IPCC.
    Where on Earth did you hear that these climate models do not incorporate water vapour? That's nonsense. Of course they include water vapour. A two second google search for example brings up this paper on climate model sensitivity, which includes statements such as the following, right on the first page:
    The importance of water vapour feedback was clearly demonstrated in early radiative convective model climate change experiments. For example, in the late 1960s Manabe and Wetherald (1967) showed that under assumptions of fixed relative humidity in models, water vapour changes roughly doubled the 1C warming caused by a doubling of CO2 alone. Indeed, so important is the water vapour feedback, that it is generally appreciated that without this feedback climate change would be relatively small for all credible emission scenarios.

    Why are you so quick to denounce researchers investigating global warming? Why would they not have paleoclimatologists among their numbers?

  15. Re:I don't think so by Moridineas · · Score: 4, Informative


    Wikipedia. Volcanoes. Easy to read about it.

    Quote: "Volcanic activity now releases about 130 to 230 teragrams (145 million to 255 million short tons) of carbon dioxide each year."

    Sometimes much higher if there is a extremely large eruption.