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Terrorists Move to Cyberspace

Dreamwalkerofyore writes "The Washington Post has an article on how Al Quaeda is now using the 'net for its new HQ. From the article: 'With laptops and DVDs, in secret hideouts and at neighborhood Internet cafes, young code-writing jihadists have sought to replicate the training, communication, planning and preaching facilities they lost in Afghanistan with countless new locations on the Internet.'"

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  1. This isn't new by NitsujTPU · · Score: 3, Informative

    For anybody who wasn't tuning in at home before.

    Al-Quaida stands for "The Base." It was a database of terrorist organizations, maintained by Bin Laden.

    Sure, it had physical manifestations, but it has, from the very start, existed as an Internet entity.

    Afghanistan was merely harboring a known terrorist when he was on the run (and he has been on the run a lot longer than most of us bothered to read about him). Al-Quaida merely had troops in Afghanistan protecting him.

    If there were all there, Al-Quaida business would have stopped the second that we fought them there.

    1. Re:This isn't new by NitsujTPU · · Score: 2, Informative

      I didn't say that any of that wasn't needed. What I said was, that this article is implying that there was a change.

      There wasn't.

      Al-Quaida joined a number of terrorist organizations. The same way that a virtual company might join a number of smaller companies.

      There is still face to face interraction, but that virtual company exists merely to join the smaller companies, who provide the physical stuff.

      IE, this is essentially how Al-Quaida worked before.

    2. Re:This isn't new by GrouchoMarx · · Score: 2, Informative

      Al-Quaida stands for "The Base." It was a database of terrorist organizations, maintained by Bin Laden.

      Sure, it had physical manifestations, but it has, from the very start, existed as an Internet entity.


      The name "Al Queda" dates from the late '80s early '90s. There was no Internet in Afganistan at that point to exist as an entity of.

      The organization itself goes back to the late '70s early '80s, under the name Muhejadeen . It was a US-funded, US-armed guerilla army of Islamists fighting against the USSR, which was trying to invade to shore up the local socialist government that the Muhejadeen were trying to overthrow.

      After the war, it morphed into a clearing house and distribution network for weapons and information relating to pro-Islamic terrorism. That quickly turned anti-American after the US occupied the "holy land" of Saudi Arabia at the request of the Saudi royal family, who themselves are a horribly corrupt regime that abuses Islam as a facade. And the rest is history.

      I'm sure Al Queda has used the Internet for communications for a long time, but to say that it was an online organization like Slashdot since the beginning is flat out untrue. The organization itself predates the Internet.

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  2. Re:Oh great. Wonderful. by ceejayoz · · Score: 2, Informative

    who are you to second guess a majority of Americans?

    Indeed!

    Bush's overall job approval was at 42 percent, with 55 percent disapproving.

  3. New game plan for the war against liberty by KanSer · · Score: 2, Informative

    1) Toss opposition website/organization metaphorical football
    2) Label terrorists; play smear the queer
    3) ???
    4) Victory...

    How long before the government disappears non-conformists with this label?

    "Terrorist Web-site shut down: al-kay-duh torrents found"

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    1. Re:New game plan for the war against liberty by JustOK · · Score: 2, Informative

      >>Are there guidelines published somewhere that say when I should start acting against a government when it has become too insane? I'd like to know, other wise I'm forced to make it up.
      Try starting with...
      We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security -- Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. -- The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

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  4. Counterproductive by dancingmad · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sounds like a good way for people to hassle me when I'm with my iBook at Starbucks, not a credible threat.

    I wish these rabble rousing journalists would look themselves in the mirror and realize that instead of helping the American public they are just making life harder for hard-working American immigrants. Looking for a good way to alienate American Muslims in the same way the Londoners bombers were? This seems like a good way.

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  5. Re:Arabic Translators by HUADPE · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can see an article about it here.

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  6. Re:Arabic Translators by Gone+Jackal · · Score: 4, Informative

    "This is all the more reason the US govt and the CIA need to invest heavily in recruiting and training Arabic translators."

    Except it's not that easy. The CIA has been griping since 2001 that, despite the massive upsurge in students taking Arabic, only about 5% of them - if that - end up competent enough to do intelligence work. With the private sector offering obscene money in comparison to a government job, you can pretty much guess what percentage of those 5% want to end up with the CIA.

    I see this sort of foolishness in my department all the time. Some ponce show up for Beginning Arabic saying something like "Yeah, wanna learn, you know, 'cause of the terrorists and all". It takes all of about two weeks before they figure out that, hey, Arabic is hard, you have to actually memorize things which aren't even remotely related to English, spend about 3/4 of your study-time mastering vocabulary, and in the end still can't order a cup of coffee in Cairo. I guess we can just ask nicely if the terrorists would mind sticking to the dictionary and reference grammars.

    Add to that what the linguist-lads call diglossia. Spoken Arabic has little to do with written Arabic. Want to read a Qur'an? Written Arabic it is, but you can't converse worth a hill of beans. A friend of mine, freshly finished with his M.A. in Arabic, decided to take a trip to Cairo, steps into a cab and decides to practice with a High Arabic "How are You"? The Cabbie just stared at him and blurted out "Sorry, no English".

    Want to listen to a wire-tap? What's it going to be then? Cairene Arabic? Yemeni Highland Dialect? Saudi Bedouin Dialects? Palestinian? Moroccan? How about Qwayrish? I've witnessed a 3-hour long argument among an Iraqi, a Yemeni and an Egyptian about the correct Arabic word for watermelon, for Pete's sake. Each one came up with at least three words which the others hadn't even heard of. (We won't even mention that many of the "terrorists" are Iranian, Pakistani, Afghani...)

    So yeah, throwing money into recruitment and training or more funding for the Defense Language Institute might help, but not much.

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  7. TummyX gets owned by bani · · Score: 3, Informative
  8. Re:Just sensationalism... move along. by demachina · · Score: 3, Informative

    Al Qaeda is also a brand name being dramatically inflated by the neoconservatives in the Bush administration. If you understand the philosphy of their mentor, Leo Strauss, their objective is to create myths of good and evil they can use to unite disaffected Westerners behind an easily understood cause of good versus evil. They also server to distract the public as they reinstate a very regimented, very religious society. In this the neoconservatives have a lot in common with Islamic fundamentalists, who also want to restore a very regimented, very religious society. Only different is the choice of religion. The neocons and the Islamic fundamentalists are in fact using each other to gain their ends which may be one reason the U.S. seems to be in no hurry to catch Bin Laden and Co. The necons need Bin Laden, al-Zarqawi and al-Zawahri in the wild to demonize and terrify Americans to make Americans easier to control and manipulate. al-Zarqawi in particular is a convenient demon on whom to blame every bombing in Iraq. The neocons desperately need to make it look like Al Qaeda is to blame for the mess in Iraq when in reality much of it is a a homegrown Sunni insurgency, but anonymous Iraq Sunni's don't make for a powerful good versus evil myth and al-Zarqawi does.

    The neocons needed a new boogie man when the Soviet Union collapsed. Saddam filled the bill but badly and now he is in jail so is a write off. At this point Al Qaeda fills the mortal enemy role. Al Qaeda is a great adversary because its unlikely to ever go away like the Soviet Union or Saddam did.

    Al Qaeda likes the neocons because they have given Al Qaeda vast prestige by constantly building them up as a vast global terror network in "60 countries" when in fact they were early on probably a small organization with some sympathetic extremists around the globe. The U.S. helped make Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda also like the neocons because their heavy handed tactics, persecuting innocent Muslims, snatching Muslims around the world for torture with Rendition, torturing prisoner in Gitmo and Iraq, and of course invading Iraq in general is driving recruits to Al Qaeda and its affiliates in droves.

    A good primer on the reality of the neocons and their fondness and similarity to Al Qaeda can be found in the BBC documentary The Power of Nightmares. The necons have a long running histroy, dating back the Reagan years of pick an adversary and building them up in to an evil monster on the virge of destroying the American way of life.

    - In the Reagan years they created a shadow intelligence office called Team B featuring none other than Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle. Team B took the same data the CIA had which said the Soviet Union wasn't that much of a threat, and was crumbling from within, and instead found the Soviet Union to be a massive and imminent danger, engaging in a massive arms build up, and leading a "global terror network". Sound familiar. Whenever they could find no evidence of a weapons build up the neocons devised a perfect solution. If they can't find evidence of it that must mean that it is so nefarious and well concealed that it is even more dangerous than programs they could see. William Casey was a big subscriber of the Soviet Union leading a global terror network. People of the CIA tried to point out to him it was untrue, because in fact it was black propaganda the CIA itself had started.

    - The Power of Nightmares contends they used similar tactics of demonization to create a myth of evil around Bill Clinton. That is a bit of a stretch though there certainly was a concerted campaign on someone's part to destroy him. There was never any evidence produced to support all the conspiracies they tried to pin on him which makes it sound a lot like a Team B style operation based on fantasy. It was a campaign that was VERY successful since it regained control of the Congress and then the White House for the Republicans and the neocons.

    - In more

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  9. Re:That is it exactly by axonal · · Score: 2, Informative

    however, gather any useful information from these "barely computer literate" gang members because they used CODE WORDS

    wut^ f00? how R U? Did u c da game last nite RoFlMao! All j00r base waz belong 2 us!!!

  10. Re:Just sensationalism... move along. by Dionysus · · Score: 2, Informative

    And yet, the British seem to have captured many people involved in 7/7 and the subsequent bombings.

    From what I understand, none of the people involved with the 7/7 bombings have been arrested. All the people arrested so far, were from the failed 7/21 bombings. The two groups of bombers weren't connected (as in different isolated cells), as far as the intelligent services could tell.

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  11. Re:LOL by pmancini · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually it is not that ironic when you read his thesis:

    "In Hamburg, Atta worked on a thesis exploring the history of Aleppo's urban landscapes. It explored the general themes of the conflict between Arab civilization and modernity. Atta criticized how the modern skyscrapers and development projects in Aleppo were disrupting the fabric of that city by blocking community streets and altering the skyline. He received a high mark on his report from his German supervisor."

    He had it in for skyscrapers from the begining...

  12. Re:Just sensationalism... move along. by demachina · · Score: 3, Informative

    "E. Listening to bad pop music is not torture. Being kept awake is not torture"

    There is a case in the courts now where an Iraqi general was severely beaten, shoved in a closed sleeping bag and sat on until he died of suffocation. They are charging the grunts who where there as usual, but as usual they conveniently forget to mention the CIA and Delta Force people who are there and running the torture programs The CIA apparently created a secret force of Iraqi's called the "Scorpions" who are starting to resemble a classic CIA trained death squad. They may have been the ones who actually beat and killed the general while their CIA handlers watched.

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  13. Re:Just sensationalism... move along. by aminorex · · Score: 4, Informative

    Donald Rumsfeld tells the Congress that unreleased torture photos from Iraq are too hot to handle, showing people with electrified wires inserted into their anus, rape of small children, and lots of blood.

    Torture, indiscriminate slaughter, and targetted assassination is a way of life in the new Iraqi order.

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  14. Re:Terrorists Move to Cyberspace by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2, Informative
    Crime occurs - from a forensic standpoint - when thre elements are in place.

    Motive

    Opportunity

    Willingness

    Using the motive and willingness of Perverts to justify the restriction of teh Internet at large is poor threat analysis, and does nothing fundamental in mitigating the criminal issue. It serves the ends of those who wish to restrict public thought and opinion. This is accomplished by enlisting the aid of those unjustafiably restricted, provoking their base, emotional concerns for saftey.

    If Al Qaeda is on the Internet, then the CIA and Mossad should stop sending money to the ISI for laptops.

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