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Ogg Vorbis Share Reaches 12.3% on P2P Traffic
prostoalex writes "According to CacheLogic survey, 61.44% of the peer-to-peer traffic nowadays is video, with audio taking distant second place, representing 11.34% of global traffic. Moreover, 12.3% of all the music files traded on P2P networks are in Ogg format. Almost all of the OGG files are traded via BitTorrent protocol with most of the growth coming from Asia, CacheLogic says."
12.3% of MUSIC transfers, which is 11.34% of all traffic -- so Ogg makes up 1.4% of all P2P traffic. Which ain't bad at all, but is nowhere near 12.3
Not being at my desktop because I'm fair away in cube land, I can atleast attest that my XMMS player that came stock with Slackware seems to do just fine with the equalizer and ogg files. I'll test it out when I get back to the bat cave. This bug seems to be what you're dealing with. Here are some comments about it.
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According to PhatNoise (PhatNoise.com) the latest firmware revision for their PhatBox supports OGG Vorbis up to 192kbps. You have to email them to get that information, because it's nowhere onthe site. I'm tempted to buy one.
Well, I think the LAME programmers proved you wrong, because as I understand it they haven't paid a penny to the creators of MP3 :)
But I get your point
Rip your CDs to FLAC instead for archiving, then transcode them to whatever lossy format you prefer when you need to put them on a portable device.
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Reading through the buglist comments, I must be on crack...or I might have some mp3 files. ;)
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You know, the article only mentioned the "Ogg [contianer] file format," and the submitter had no reason to insert "vorbis," so some of it might be Ogg/FLAC. Could even be theora video, which would make the assertion that 12% of the "audio" traffic is ogg... we've long ago collectively learned that AVI is a container not a compression scheme, so can we start using the right terminology for Ogg now?
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To most listeners, mp3 files become transparent somewhere around 192kb/s, wheras for most listeners ogg/vorbis becomes transparent at around 160kb/s. So assuming a good encoder, you won't "hear" mp3 at that bitrate, and also won't "hear" ogg.
However, if you drop to around 160kb/s, you will 'hear' mp3, but will still not 'hear' ogg.
That's the bitrate story.
For what it's worth, the design of vorbis provides room for further improvment, so the situation may be different in the future, but there isn't a lot of significant work going on at the moment.
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Get yourself a real equalizer for xmms.
I was in the same boat as you (except with FLAC instead of OGG). EQU freakin' OWNS all over the place. You have no idea how good music can sound until you've tried this thing out. 31 bands!?. Of course you can do fewer bands if you want.
Despite your claims to the contrary, bitrates below 256kb/s are still regularly used. Perhaps not by you, or your friends, but they are used for a variety of applications, including portable replay, network streaming, and so on.
For most listeners, the quality achieved by 256kb/s mp3 can be achieved at around 192kb/s with quality encoders such as LAME. That is, at this bitrate, the decoded material is indistinguishable from the original source by most (the majority of) listeners. This has been confirmed by a number of independent blind tests. Note that this is not universal for all listeners nor all source material, but it is generally found to be true. For these reasons, some people place their trust in psychoacoustic models to automatically choose a rate, or they add a "headroom" and pick a value like 256, as you state.
Comparably, ogg vorbis tends to achieve general transparency at around 160kb/s as compared to mp3. Again this is of course not for all listeners and all source material, but for the significant majority. I personally encode my music at -q 6 which tends to result in files of around 150 to 180 kbps, the encoder decides what is necessary from moment to moment.
Of course, modern AAC (and I say modern because the AAC format has been extended over time) seems to be able to achieve transparency at even lower bitrates, but less extensive tests have been done, so a precise number is hard to quote. However, Ogg/Vorbis has another significant benefit, in that it does not contain, or claims not to contain, any patented algorithms or technology, which is of real benefit to a variety of players including companies who wish to provide content in lossy formats, and companies who wish to provide players of lossy formats. Generally, individual do not see direct benefits of these issues, but avoiding of patent licenses should ultimate lower fees and increase competition among providers of both devices and content, and thus will result in greater choice and lower costs to end users, which should be of benefit to them.
Thus, in essence, ogg sits in a middling position in absolute quality, but holds a promise of improving the overall marketplace for all players, and using and supporting the format may bring about long range benefits to yourself.
-josh
It's a pity OGG support isn't more wide-spread, and worse still that lots of people bitch about wanting mp3s, completely oblivious to the closed-source brick wall the "next generation" of mp3 formats is going to present. I naturally will be smug with my OGG-playing YP-T6 and EPIA running Linux/Freevo as a set-top multimedia player.
So I went around looking for what could play it. Only a few pieces of software (winamp and xmms were the two I cared about) and zero hardware.
Zero hardware? Not so. Cowen/JetAudio's iAudio, iRiver, MPIO, Rio, IOPS, Samsung, Neuros, ISM; all offer Ogg Vorbis-capable players.
In addition, many Symbian phones can use OggPlay to playback Ogg files.
Also, current versions of WinAmp handle Ogg, and there's plug-ins for the older versions. Xmms has always handled Ogg, IIRC.
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If by "pay" you mean "download for free". http://magnatune.com/info/openmusic
This practice is very common for Anime, since the OGG container can handle subtitles and multiple audio streams (The more common AVI cannot), and there are very strong preferences for both subtitled and dubbed translations.
The rebuttaal was written by Monty from xiph.org. Monty is he author of the Tremor codec and OGG itself. I agree that Apple should offer support for OGG Vorbis on the iPod, or allow a third party to add support, because choice is a good thing. However, there is no technical reason that the iPod would be unable to play OGG Vorbis files.
I bought the same player a few days ago and while i'm enjoying it, some of my ogg files can cause the player to freeze.r s#Samsung.27s_Yepp_Ogg_Vorbis_support
Have you had any of same problems?
There's a bit of a discussion of the problem over at the Xiph wiki: http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/Talk:PortablePlaye
Yes, of course -- there is a loss of quality. But the difference when going from LAME standard to Vorbis Q5, for example, is something more accurately described as "barely noticeable" or "reasonably insignificant".
Certainly, if you frequently transcode your files from one lossy format to another, you will begin to notice artifacts. But the losses from a single transcoding are so slight that it is quite often worth it for some added convenience.
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Nobody has yet fixed them, so Ogg Vorbis is not an option under iTunes currently.
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TFA doesn't say Ogg Vorbis anywhere. It says Ogg. For all we know, that's 99% Ogg Speex files (i.e. audiobooks or other recorded voice) and 1% Ogg Vorbis. Or it could be the other way around. We don't know because the article doesn't say. The claim that it's Ogg Vorbis is completely fabricated by the Slashdot submitter.
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What you fail to mention is that all these acts copy exactly what the NA crap machine spewed out 6 months ago. Whatever Britney does, expect the local manufactured singer/band to do, albeit a few month later.
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