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Librarian Suspended over Patrons' Web Access

bsw149 writes "The head librarian of the Valparaiso Community Library in Florida was suspended after investigators found that users had viewed adult content on public computers. While the library has a policy against viewing adult material on library computers, the librarian is facing possible dismissal. Is the best enforcement policy to hold librarians personally responsible for the materials patrons' access?"

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  1. That's Stupid by TheComputerMutt.ca · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How is it the librarian's fault? They're not looking over the people's shoulder's all the time, and they could just hide the content when the librarian walks over.

    1. Re:That's Stupid by canuck57 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How is it the librarian's fault?

      You hit the nail on the head with that statement. It should be city management that should be fired for neglect of supporting policy. City politicians could have subscribed to a block list and lay down the infrastructure to enforce this policy, like most do. Instead they make her out as the cause when in fact it is disfunctional inept city politics that is the cause.

      I hope the lawyers tear the city apart for wrongful dismissal. The city's only chance in surviving would be if they demonstraited support for the library personnel to boot patrons out for viewing porn, which is not likely. And last I checked, sex offenders don't walk around with tattos on their forehead to say so.

      She is clearly a victim.

    2. Re:That's Stupid by Qzukk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A hardware based porn firewall.

      That still only blocks porn it knows about or can guess by the text in the site. It seems that every three days there's a new goatsecx or lemonparty or tubgirl, and thats just the shock and horror sites. Imageboards are the new place for porn and those are growing like weeds and tend to not have enough text to figure out their porn-ness on the fly.

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    3. Re:That's Stupid by bananasfalklands · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Florida is a strange place - lots of banned books too, website by the name of ?forbiddenlibrary.com lists the censorship.

      But since i went in to a libary this week may i add that i had the full atttention of a librarian for an hour reserving 18 books.

      Libraries need to decide what they are either a) blockbuster, b) a book shop, c) or an internet cafe. and hire the right staff.

      When i go into the library i dont want dvd's, or computer time. I want books, and if i take an hour of the library staffs time to reserve those books then it takes an hour - if your behind me well thats your problem.

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    4. Re:That's Stupid by ultranova · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Libraries need to decide what they are either a) blockbuster, b) a book shop, c) or an internet cafe. and hire the right staff.

      Libraries are d) a storage and distribution center for information and culture, whether it is printed in books, recorded into a tape, engraved into a vinyl disk, burned into a CD, downloaded from the Internet, or memorized by bards. They exist to distribute information to everyone who needs (by his own judgement, not governments or anyone elses) it, and culture for the enlightenment and entertainment of all. As new forms to store and distribute information are developed, libraries need to adapt to do their job. They are doing exactly that.

      And the "right staff" is people who refuse to install any kind of information filters into computers, or perform any other kind of censorship. Internet content filters are just a modern equivalent of book pyres. Installing them is suitable behaviour for nazi hordes, not for civilized citizens of civilized countries.

      A librarian who walks behind peoples backs to make sure they don't access forbidden pages might be complying with laws, but she is betraying her society by perverting her job into a propaganda officer ("citizen, don't watch those disgusting lies, go and watch this page which gives praise to our glorious leader").

      When i go into the library i dont want dvd's, or computer time. I want books,

      Well, you obviously either have a computer of your own or can use some other way to connect to Slashdot, but not everyone is so lucky. Be happy that you are.

      And DVD's are in the library for the same reason that cassettes, vinyls, CD's and videos are - they contain culture, and it is half of librarys mandate to give access to that culture to its users.

      and if i take an hour of the library staffs time to reserve those books then it takes an hour - if your behind me well thats your problem.

      Any particular reason you're mention this ? Are you just trying to demonstrate what a though guy you are, or are you trolling ?

      But go ahead, take an hour (altought that's about three minutes per book - pretty slow library staff you have there). We have three desks in my library (and most customers use automated lending machine anyway), and I'm sitting and you're standing while making the reservations. No skin off my back, or anyone elses, plenty of skin of your feet :).

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  2. Is it in their job description? by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is it in their job description to monitor what users access? When they signed their job contract or whatever, did it clearly outline this? Cause if not, they librarians should not be dismissed.

    1. Re:Is it in their job description? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Is it in their job description to monitor what users access?

      As someone with generations of many librarians in the family, I can say that monitoring what users access - be it electronic or paper - is antithetical to being a librarian.

      Librarians are supposed to be about enabling patrons to find the information they are looking for, not judging them and certainly not censoring the information.

      It's true that lots of people want to turn librarians into the information police to enforce their own social agendas. But that role is about as far from what it means to be a librarian as you can get.

      For example, when the Patriot Act required that libraries secretly reveal their patrons' borrowing histories in effectively warrantless searches, librarians around the country made sure that their systems stopped keeping borrowing histories. That all they ever tracked is what books a patron currently had checked out and once returned all records of that check-out were destroyed. Thus enabling their patrons to borrow any material they wanted without fear of being tracked.

      Being a librarian is about tearing down the walls around information, not building them up.

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    2. Re:Is it in their job description? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So how do you enable librarians to block child pornography without enabling the government to block dissident voices?

      I know I'd rather live in a world with free information - yes, even if that means a sick minority can masturbate over pictures of little kids - than in a police state where I could be "disappeared" if I was caught looking at anti-government websites.

      I think I'll propose a new corrolary to Godwin's Law. Anonymous Coward's Law states: in any discussion about freedom of information, the likelihood of a troll pretending child porn is the "ultimate evil", the eradication of which can justify any act of repression, hits 1 long before anyone's even thought of introducing Hitler.

    3. Re:Is it in their job description? by Monkelectric · · Score: 4, Insightful
      he head librarian should be implementing sane policies that prevent things like this, and should be trying to provide a sliver of oversight for this stuff.

      Ever worked at a big institution? Everyone who works at big institutions tries to arrange the facts and situation so the blame lands somewhere else, often while they are not given the resources to do so, and completely conflicted directives.

      A friend of mine once worked in a situation where after working at a company for 5 weeks, he was asked to be personally responsible (as far as his career goes anyways), for the certification of each device manufactured. A piece of software which he was responsible for certified the devices, and this software was basically 8000 lines of if-then-else statements cobbled together over 6 years. A misconfigured device could easily destory 100,000's of dollars of materials.

      Whats wrong with that you ask? There was *NO* policy describing the correct certification of these devices. None. No way to verify the program is operating correctly, a no definition even of waht correct operation was. So basically they were looking for a fall guy when the inevitable happened.

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  3. Dismiss the dismissers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    By analogy, perhaps it would be best to fire any cop who doesn't manage to stop all crime on his shift?

    1. Re:Dismiss the dismissers! by Boing · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Poor analogy, because this situation is even worse. Stopping people from accessing desired materials is the POLAR OPPOSITE of a librarian's responsibility.

      It would be more accurate to say we should fire any cop who fails to increase crime on his shift. Ludicrous, yeah?

  4. So, what actually happened? by OO7david · · Score: 4, Insightful

    TFA doesn't go into what actually happened, only that someone watched porn and from that the librarian is being dismissed since she "had not done enough to prevent the incident".

    First off, it's an "incident" not "incident s ", so it probably only happened once, and if the history just showed one site, I can think of a thousand ways that could have accidentally happened.

    We're missing some kind of important details here.

  5. good grief. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Is the best enforcement policy to hold librarians personally responsible for the materials patrons' access?

    No, this is stupid. Librarians don't spend years in school earning higher degrees in library science to become nannies. The world has enough problems, why must they keep inventing new ones?

  6. Re:My Rights Online???!! by LoadWB · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The issue is that of public access to the Internet, versus policing of that access. Libraries do not traditionally maintain collections of adult material on their shelves, so they are expected to extend that prohbition to the Interntet access they provide. But, time and time again, it has been proven that such prohibition is virtually impossible.

    So, in essence, this is about everyone's rights online.

    Knowing about how cheap the Valparaiso City Commission can be about things, I doubt the library was provided the funding for any kind of useful software to help in this task. But I cannot say authoritatively since the last time I visited the ValP library was back when the only computer there was a Commodore 64.

  7. As usual, the summary doesn't tell the whole story by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Typical Slashdot. Not just anybody viewing porn but:

    "The director of the Valparaiso (Fla.) Community Library was suspended without pay in early August after city officials found that a registered sex offender had used library computers to access pornographic websites."

    Since I don't know what really happened I won't dispute whether the librarian is at fault. I'll just note that filters really don't work well and for libraries it's either the choice of internet or no internet. Nothing much in between.

    If internet access is so much of an issue, perhaps the computers should be put in a seperate room where you have to be over 16 or 18 to enter and use or have your parents sign a permission slip.

    Personally I think it's all that streak of classic American puritanicism anyway, TV shows violence with people's heads and other body parts blown off every night of the week, or have realistic grotesque autopsies on CIS-like shows, or real grotesque surguries/diseases/etcetera on the scientific channels, or animals mating on any NationalGeographic or discovery channel yet a kid can't handle a glimpse of people doing the same?

    If the sex offender viewed that stuff, put responsibility where it belongs and haul his ass to jail if he violated parole or whatever.

  8. Re:My Rights Online???!! by steelfood · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Read TFA.

    The director of the library was suspended, not just any librarian. TFA doesn't go into the details too much, but the city officials were orchestrating this, and she have a hearing. That's pretty much how serious it is. Start thinking criminal charges. Maybe not jail time, but possibly community service.

    Nor was it kiddy porn that the people surfed. They just charged the sex offender with possession, but TFA states that he (and some underaged boys, big surprise there) had looked at adult material using library computers.

    Nice try, troll.

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  9. Damned if you do... by HomerNet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's the lovely Catch-22 that's been set up for this librarian:

    Librarians are not allowed by federal law to restrict what people view on the Internet.

    Now, the librarians can be suspended/fired for NOT restricting what people view on the Internet.

    What the hell is she supposed to do? Punt?

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  10. Great! by Eminence · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, that's a great policy. This way you motivate librarians to spy on patrons. They then become your agents, your pair of eyes in each library.

  11. Re:From TFA: by LoadWB · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Have you ever tried to police activities by performing walk-throughs? It's damn near impossible, especially when the perpetrator carries no respect for the authorities. I helped oversee a 24 station computer lab for a local middle school, and no matter HOW diligent the lab monitor, each and every computer, without exception, at some point had to be reloaded because a kid or group of kids wound up installing some software which broke it, or downloaded music, or some violation of the usage policy. Even revoking privileges didn't help the situation.

    If your duties are, by definition, limited and near impossible, you are doomed to defy those duties.

    You're damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you allow full access, the users tend to run amok. If you prevent full access, then it's a challenge and those who circumvent the prevention are lauded as creative and gifted.

  12. Bigger picture by TheHawke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's pull the zoom lens back out to a statewide standpoint. Florida in general has been beset by one major sex related crime after another. Their CPS is a dog's lunch and is currently paralyzed by the scandals surrounding it.

    The bottom line is that when something remotely sex related is found on a public access terminal in Florida, there is a kneejerk reaction to find a scapegoat and lynch that person as quick as possible.

    If this were anywhere else in the nation, there would have been a Gaelic shrug and beefier security procedures put into place, no one getting crucified over it.

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  13. Nobody should be fired by tkrotchko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "If anyone should be fired "

    And that's the point. No one should be fired over this incident. The librarian is there to assist patrons in study and scholarship, not to be a net nanny that makes sure nobody is downloading porn.

    This is an unfortunate incident that a politician is trying to make a name from. If anyone should be fired its the commisioner who is now on a witch hunt.

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