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Lord British on Personal Spaceflight

FleaPlus writes "The Space Review has an interview with Richard Garriott (aka "Lord British"), best known as the creator of the genre-defining Ultima series of role playing games. In the interview he talks about his current work as the vice chairman of Space Adventures, and his thoughts on private-sector spaceflight in general. It includes an anecdote about how he funded the initial Russian studies which opened the door for Dennis Tito, Mark Shuttleworth, and Gregory Olsen's flights to the International Space Station, but was unable to go himself after the late-90s stock market bubble burst."

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  1. MOD UP by CHESTER+COPPERPOT · · Score: 5, Funny
    "asdfasdfasdfasd"

    Clearly this isn't some off topic first post troll. It is more likely an alien race trying to communicate to us via well known alphabet letters about the perils of space travel. Clearly on topic.

  2. Sorry... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    but that space ship out in the field in Ultima VII doesn't do anything, oh wait, what is this article about?

  3. 200k by lockefire · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think that 200k is a fair price. They do bring up some interesting points. If 10% of American's want to go there should definitely be a market...

    1. Re:200k by JonN · · Score: 4, Interesting

      10% of American's want to go there...But can even 5% or even more even afford to? The biggest issue is cost, which is definatly not effective at this time.

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    2. Re:200k by lockefire · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, there are 7.5 million millionaires in the US with $11 trillion in assets who need to spend their money on something. This looks like a very good option to me and I think our upperclass would flock to it much like luxury cruising in the 30s.

    3. Re:200k by mnemonic_ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A millionaire doesn't necessarily have US$1,000,000 of disposable income. After taxes, tending to his/her beach house, going to Europe, paying kids' tuitions and maintaining 3 SUV's, probably no person whose worth is below $2 million can afford a trip to space. The high life costs a lot, especially for those who can spare the cash.

      Most of those millionaires already have set their priorities on extravagant socializing and keeping up with the Joneses. Dear god, we can't appear middle class.

    4. Re:200k by patio11 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      World Socialist News probably didn't mention that most of America's millionaires aren't rich, just comfortable -- they own their own house in a good neighborhood and have a retirement nest egg (honestly, if you have two professional incomes coming in its hard not to hit a million in assets sooner or later). That doesn't compute with "And now we can empty Suzy's college fund to blow $200,000 on a weeklong vacation for one in space! Whee!"

    5. Re:200k by Jaruzel · · Score: 2

      Money doesn't make you Upper Class, Money just makes you a richer-version-of-your-original class.

      It saddens me when I see all these $1m lottery winners on TV. It's not that they have won the jackpot, it's that they are all invariably, ignorant lower-class inbred pig-fiddling swamp-living hik looking idiots living in trailers. What a waste of $1m.

      Hmm, hang on, maybe it is all about the money...

      -Jar.

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  4. Gotta Love the Russians! by phobos13013 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    But the Russian answer was more interesting. They said something like, "Well no! To even see what would be involved with that kind of mission would cost us hundreds of thousands of dollars just to see how we would do it, then to actually do it would be millions more!" So, the door was opened.

    Of course the US says no way no how if its not our way its the highway. The Russkies say rather slyly, oh no we could never it would cost this much... We couldnt afford that, and come on who could our fine American friend? There is nothing that the right amount wont get you in Russia. Whether legally or illegally or that lovely gray area in-between. Some might call it corruption (i tend to call it that when its illegal or hazardous) but i like to call it the TRUE land of opportunity!

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    1. Re:Gotta Love the Russians! by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Informative
      To me it's more evidence that NASA is a fossilised bueuracracy. Of course the Russians being strapped for funds have a great motivator to be open minded, but still. That's sort of the point: if NASA was forced to operate with less lavish budgets, new possibilites might suddenly "appear".

      Read the CAIB Report, specifically Volume 1, Chapter 5 Section 5.3 entittled "An Agency Trying to do Too Much with Too Little." The Board found problems with NASA... beurocracy is certainly a large part of it. A lavish budget is not.
  5. Private Sector is already hot on the ball by lightyear4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    His honor Lord British may not have been able to front the cash when the bubble burst, but the $200k pricetag is a cost that break the bank of most everyone. Relative to current launch costs (upwards of $500 million for STS), $200k is a hell of a bargain. Rutan and his Scaled Composites is merely one of many private space initiatives with an eye defiantly set on the future. Space offers extreme opportunities in manufacturing, research, power generation, medical studies, propulsion research, materials science, and a multitude of other investment possibilities. I fully expect R&D of today will within a decade become reality.

    We're at the very very beginning of an explosion of space-based enterprise; private spaceflight will be fueled first by corporate interests, and then, with costs more manageable for all, and only then, will the dream of visiting space be realized.

    I, for one, eagerly await that day.

    1. Re:Private Sector is already hot on the ball by AaronLawrence · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Space offers extreme opportunities in manufacturing, research, power generation, medical studies, propulsion research, materials science, and a multitude of other investment possibilities.

      Same old, same old. It doesn't really offer any of these things. Space isn't a magical fairy land where energy is free and the laws of physics are different. If anything, I think the various space stations have shown that there isn't anything particular exciting to make or research in space, just an awful lot of work, energy and technology even to just stay alive, or get there and back.

      The one big thing it does offer is that lots of people want to go there: tourism and adventure. Hence the only things showing signs of commercial life are tourism and adventure companies.

      I too want to go to space, but I have come to accept that there isn't anything particular interesting to DO there. Science Fiction made it all seem very exciting but most of those things don't seem likely to happen: warp drives, exotic but livable planets, aliens, new technologies.

      Possibly in the far distant future terraforming and colonisation, but the economics have to change before that will happen on a significant scale (ie. big enough to be self-sustaining if Earth goes away).

      I suppose that it would be possible to do some propulsion research like nuclear drives, but for that we have to get out of orbital space (for safety) and be able to build things entirely in space - something that hasn't happened at all yet.

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    2. Re:Private Sector is already hot on the ball by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Informative
      The one big thing it does offer is that lots of people want to go there: tourism and adventure. Hence the only things showing signs of commercial life are tourism and adventure companies.

      Except, you know, communications and earth observation. That's where 99% of the "signs commercial life" go. It's only a trillion dollar industry, nothing big or anything.

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  6. Inevitable Ultima Comments by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 4, Informative
    First, I think the interview attributes spaceflight as part of the wrong Ultima. Ultima III has "underwater" activity, but it's Ultima ][ that uses the Russian rocket program and has the reference to his dad Owen Garriot looking for his shuttle. Ultima I has a small bit of space flight in shuttles. And of course someone will mention the crashed alien spacecraft in a farmer's field in the later Ultima, but that has even less to do plot wise other than being an in-joke about another Origin title.

    Richard Garriot has always been a hero of mine for his ability to make a cool game, feed his family, and pay for his computer education with his series of Ultima titles. Probably most others don't share this perspective. But even though I do regret the consumption of Ultima into nothing more than yet another corporate brand of Electronic Arts, I do have a small bit of nostalgia for the guy who created it even if the modern game does nothing for me today.

    It is cool to see someone spending their dot com bubble money on things other than fancy cars.

    1. Re:Inevitable Ultima Comments by Triple+Click · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe not cars, but he does have a sweet house:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia_Manor

  7. Not really. by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 3, Interesting
    but the $200k pricetag is a cost that break the bank of most everyone

    I don't think so. 200k is well within the reach of many many Americans (and other nationalities as well). People here spend near that on collections of toys all the time, and at least in Western Washington State, 200k is well below the average price of a 3 bedroom house. People think nothing of financing a $70,000 car, add to that a nice boat, a vacation to some beach or Europe... 200k is peanuts.

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    1. Re:Not really. by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      but i'm quite well off and even i would have to go well into hooky to pay for a $200k space flight, and it would mostly be a debt that would take the rest of my life to pay off.

            Then you're not "quite well off", are you? Let's not kid ourselves. Those who are really "quite well off" do not need to go into debt for this. The problem is merely one of justification, not financing.

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  8. Re:Hats off to LB for helping average folk into sp by nuclearpenguins · · Score: 2, Informative

    YOu bring back such fond memories of long hours in front of the screen shouting out loud "Ok, just one more mission!" I miss Origin. They started the entire big-budget gaming industry.

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  9. If he was smart by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    He could have coded a backdoor into Ultima Online, and milked out hundreds of thousands of dollars of online gold. Just like Bill Gates has Skynet programmed on all windows boxes in case his plan for world domination ever gets out.

  10. Long term business model for space tourism? by dal20402 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Sure, every rich joe (and plenty of joes who hope to become rich) will want to hitch a ride into space. But once they all have done it (and, yeah, I know that will take quite a few years), what happens next?

    Space tourism seems to me like it might end up being more of a fad than anything else unless we can make space an actual destination... in other words, space stations or bases on $celestial_body that can be used as resorts...

    (or at least really expensive restaurants... heh).

    1. Re:Long term business model for space tourism? by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's a stepping stone. There's all these business models that you can do to make a profit, gain experience and drive down the price of space access which people are pursuing now. Everything from launching people's remains into space as a secondary payload (cheap to do, and LOTS of people will pay for it), to suborbital and orbital space tourism, to satellite constellation based radio, broadband access, and tracking. Then there's the guys at the top of the spectrum. Orbital Recovery are developing a space tug to interface with communications satellites and extend their revenue-producing lifetimes beyond original specifications. The space tug is a critical part of space infrastructure. If you want to build a space hotel at the ISS and drag it out to the L1 point (where Earth and Luna gravity meets) you'll need a space tug. Once you've got that in place you're half way to the moon. It's not conceivable to build massive landers in space, with enough equipment to extract oxygen from the luna soil (or that water they keep talking about) and boost it up. That reduces the amount of oxygen that needs to be brought up from earth which reduces the costs for your space tourists. Now that you've got a presence on the moon you can go prospecting. All those craters on the moon, each one created by a planet killer, most of them contain vast amounts of precious metals. Most notably the Platinum Group Metals. If you're on the moon anyways, you might as well pick them up, process em and send em back to earth where they can be used in fuel cells, jewelry and Carmack style monoprop rockets which are capable of single stage to orbit, reducing the costs of space access yet again. And so it goes and so it goes. It's not the Saturn V, flags and footprints space exploration of our parents generation, or the triple stage tractor factory military operations of Wernher van Braun, but eventually the commercialisation of space will result in enough people living and working in space that we can claim with a straight face that our society is interplanetary.

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    2. Re:Long term business model for space tourism? by Weirsbaski · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure, every rich joe (and plenty of joes who hope to become rich) will want to hitch a ride into space. But once they all have done it (and, yeah, I know that will take quite a few years), what happens next?

      Well, what do Hawaii, Cancun, and Paris do now that everybody who wants to has already visited?

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  11. My interview is better by Groo+Wanderer · · Score: 2, Informative

    Two for the price of one, and it answered THE burning question with regards to Lord British.

    http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23377

    Strangely, after that fateful day by the pool last May, neither Garriot or Spector will get within 100 yards of me, restraining order or no.

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  12. Cars and houses are tangible assets by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 2, Insightful

    $200k is within so many people's reach for a house because banks will lend people money to buy one. It's a tangible asset they can take ownership of if the buyer stops making mortgage payments. Space flight isn't something that can be taken back and resold to pay off bad debt, it will be very hard to convince a bank to give you a loan for it.

    There are many *many* more people who can qualify for a $200,000 mortgage than can afford to blow $200k in cash on a space vacation.

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  13. Lord British... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Funny

    In space, no one can hear you scream when you get assassinated -- again. :P

  14. Well, that makes sense, his dad was an astronaught by mandrake*rpgdx · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yup. He was one of the first men to orbit the earth.