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Games As The New Pub

The Guardian Gamesblog has a column up talking about a panel held at the Edinburgh Interactive Entertainment Festival last week. A discussion was held with several folks from the online world development business, where they discussed games as new social playgrounds or pubs. From the article: "In Korea, the gamers play online games together. It's a social replacement. It's a way for non-social people to socialise. They've even started developing games for bored girlfriends of the guys who're playing Starcraft with their mates."

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  1. hmmm... by skatephat420 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now if I could only get my girlfriend to play games...

    1. Re:hmmm... by generic-man · · Score: 4, Funny
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  2. not a social replacement... by yagu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From the post:

    It's a social replacement. It's a way for non-social people to socialise.

    It may be a way for non-social people to socialize, if you really want to call it that. But it's hardly, and never will be a social replacement for people who really like to socialize.

    I've never really "got" games so I admit a personal bias, but I've never seen any evidence in wave after wave of new technology and new generations of games there is any indication games are a social replacement. I see the same people playing the same games in some variation, but I see no exodus of people-to-people socialization to interaction via gaming.

    Yes, there will always be gamers and yes, I see a place for games and gamers, but it's a niche demographic. And, it's probably not worth a lot of investment of time to write games for the girlfriends of the gamers. Either they too like to play games or they don't. They're more likely to be happy finding a good TV show, a good magazine (or a crummy one for that matter), or a new boyfriend.

    1. Re:not a social replacement... by Quill_28 · · Score: 2

      I disagree.

      Playing the sports is also for socializing. I moved around alot growing up.

      Being a decent baseball/basketball player I always had instant friends.

      You seem to discount the social aspect of playing any game in person.

  3. Games for girlfriends?! by deathwombat · · Score: 2, Funny

    Gamers have girlfriends now?! Why doesn't anyone tell me these things?!!!

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    1. Re:Games for girlfriends?! by Meagermanx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But in Korea, everybody's a gamer, so the Korean chicks have to settle. If we could just increase the number of hardcore male gamers here, we would be all set.

  4. Is that what we're calling it now? by cliffiecee · · Score: 4, Funny

    They've even started developing games for bored girlfriends of the guys who're playing Starcraft with their mates."

    a.k.a. "Cheating"

  5. Oh really by AutopsyReport · · Score: 2, Funny
    Games are the new pub

    I agree. I always get nervous at the thought of approaching that tall, blonde broad over there. You know, the one busy collecting treasures. Maybe I can induce her interest by offering her a token of my kindness -- perhaps a couple gold coins.

    Well, I guess you could draw parallels between games and pubs -- gold will always court a woman :)

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  6. Speaking as a Starcraft expert by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Koreans were the easiest opponent in Starcraft when I played. Today they're probably pretty good. The reason Koreans were the easiest opponent was that they all hung out in gaming pubs. In gaming pubs, you exchange information on what is the best strategy, but seldom does original thought originate from them. You would always fight zergling/muta rushes that were so predictable that it was simple to counter them. Now many people died to this zergling/muta rush because the Korean players had it down to a science. They played a lot, and they really got their strategy down efficient, and that was their downfall when I or any other pro played them.

    Now you could play someone of another nationality who doesn't have a gaming pub, and you'd have no idea of what to expect because people that don't hang out in gaming pubs tend to wing it and develop their own strategy. Typically people who don't hang out in gaming pubs used strategies that were original but not refined. I can only remember a handful of people in the world that had original strategies that were completely refined.

    Thats about it for my post, I'll just conclude with some memories of Starcraft :) Starcraft(not Broodwar), had a balance that was unique. If a pro squared off against a non-pro, the game would be over far before the third tiered units came onto the field. If a pro squared off against another pro, and there was no mutual respect involved, the one who made the first mistake lost well before tier 3. If a pro squared off against another pro, and one side respected the other, it'd win, unless it made a mistake(The superior economy + defense beats any attack). Finally if both pros squared off against each other, and both gave mutual respect, then the game could really become a tier 3 nightmare. It was very rare for 2 pros meet each other. It was even more rare for 2 pros to meet each other and show respect for each other.

    1. Re:Speaking as a Starcraft expert by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Respect in Starcraft is playing a solid game, instead of pulling gambits. A gambit can be something such as sacrficing economy in order to rush early, or fast expanding in hopes your opponent can't stop it. When you sacrifice economy to rush, you're hoping that your opponent isn't paying attention and doesn't has enough defense to stop it. When you fast expand, then you're hoping your opponent doesn't spot you, and if he does, that he doesn't stop it.

      If you respect your opponent, you won't try cheesy strategies that can be easily beaten. They're both dead end strategies that have no hope of winning if they're stopped. If your early rush is beaten, then your opponent has economy or tech on you, and you lose. If your fast expand is destroyed, then your enemy typically has a larger army and tech on you to finish you off.

      When you respect your opponent, you don't try a punk strategy: you play within the limits of what is possible. If you disrespect your opponent, you're banking on the idea that he doesn't have the basic skills to deal with common tactics. Some people don't mean to actually disrepect you, they simply are one trick ponies who don't know any other strategies. I don't mind when people disrepected me as I'd play within the limits and win almost every time.

    2. Re:Speaking as a Starcraft expert by Quill_28 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Think five move check mate in chess.

      To perform this 'trick' move you are assuming that the player is not very good.

      If he is he will simply block and you will be out of position.

      Performing the five move checkmate on an experienced played would be showing disrespect and also a good way to lose.

  7. Maybe in Korea by theclam159 · · Score: 2, Informative

    That may be true in Korea, but I don't think that it's true in the US.

    * Gamers devote more than triple the amount of time spent playing games each week to exercising or playing sports, volunteering in the community, religious activities, creative endeavors, cultural activities, and reading.
    * In total, gamers spend 23.4 hours per week on these activities, compared to 6.8 hours per week playing games.
    * Seventy-nine percent of game players of all ages report exercising or playing sports an average of 20 hours a month.
    * Forty-five percent of gamers volunteer an average 5.4 hours per month.
    * Ninety-three percent of game players also report reading books or daily newspapers on a regular basis, while sixty-two percent consistently attend cultural events, such as concerts, museums, or the theater.
    * Fifty percent of gamers are regularly involved in creative activities, such as painting, writing, or playing an instrument. In addition, adult gamers exhibit a high level of interest in current events, with 94 percent following news and current events, and 78 percent reporting that they vote in most of the elections for which they are eligible.

    http://www.theesa.com/facts/gamer_data.php

  8. Girlfriend games by Zwets · · Score: 2, Funny
    They've even started developing games for bored girlfriends of the guys who're playing Starcraft with their mates.

    Oh, I know that one. It's played with one ethernet cable and it's called "Plug out, plug in!"

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  9. Oh. I've known that for years. by Crash+Culligan · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is nothing new. Take your average MUD/MUSH/MUCK/MOO/WHATEVER. Look around it, and you'll find some people playing/involved in plots. Unless it's a really big event, though, you'll find more of them in "bar scenes" or out-of-character areas having conversation.

    Although I have to thank the high-end MMORPG operators and gamemasters for creating sparkly, attractive, and perhaps even slightly ADD-inflicting environments. They've attracted enough people that playing online can be considered "a technologically sophisticated social norm" instead of a "creepy internet addiction."

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