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Bill Would Let Police Monitor Email

Duuk2k2 writes "The Canadian federal cabinet will review new legislation this fall that would give police and security agencies vast powers to begin surveillance of the Internet without court authority. The new measures would allow law-enforcement agents to intercept personal e-mails, text messages and possibly even password-secure websites used for purchasing and financial transactions."

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  1. Well, the result of this would be... by crazyphilman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Almost everyone integrating GNUPG with their email solution so that all email is encrypted point to point. If the cops figured out a way around that, like, say, trying to make encryption illegal, then people will just switch to Steganography and send all their email using Goatse pictures.

    Take THAT, Mr. Pig-man. It's GOATSE time!

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  2. Re:Aw, Canada by daspriest · · Score: 2, Informative
    "You're thinking of that third-world failed regime to the South."

    You mean the budding police state to the south?

  3. This is a surprise? by renehollan · · Score: 3, Informative
    You're talkking about a country where the Provincial Psychiatrist (yes, there is such a government office) can "deem" you unfit, and sieze all your assets so that they can be administered "in your best interests".

    No hearing, no trial, no independent psychiatric evaluation, no appeal, nada.

    I wonder how much one has to criticize the government(s) before the Provincial Psychiatrist serves your bank with an order to turn over your money.

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  4. Re:Response? by HatofPig · · Score: 2, Informative
    Could this be a way to ease tension between Canada and the States in light of the software lumber issue by attempting to curb to Americans regarding security?

    The software lumber? Naw... that's all being outsourced to India anyways.

    I think you mean softwood lumber. And that's not the only issue; what about Canadian beef? US Farmers are still fiercly rallying about how unsafe beef is in Canada. Let me tell you something. One mad cow was found in all of Canada, and the investigation showed that it got mad cow disease before it was shipped up here from the US .

    People. I can't stand them.

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  5. Re:Not a chance. by dadragon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, it made the front page of the newspaper in Saskatoon today. I don't know about the Globe or the Post, though.

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  6. Yes a court order is necessary by x0dus · · Score: 3, Informative
    According to what I read a court order would be necessary. This article claims the following:
    Police groups say they are not asking for any new powers but rather the ability to continue their regular investigative activities in the digital age.
    Clayton Pecknold of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police said police are working with laws originally written in 1974, a time when wiretapping involved climbing telephone poles.

    "The laws were written for a wired world as opposed to the wireless world," he said. "We are not asking that we be given any powers without a court order."
  7. Re:Easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Yes, but Canada has a Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

    Section 11 c) of that charter states:

    Any person charged with an offence has the right ... not to be compelled to be a witness in proceedings against that person in respect of the offence

    Furthermore, should somehow a law like that slip by the charter (the CRTC managed to slip by section 2 d, which the CRTC violates daily) section 11 i) prevents someone who would use encryption prior to such a law from having committed an offence by not knowing the key in the future.

    To top it all off, section 13 of the charter states:

    A witness who testifies in any proceedings has the right not to have any incriminating evidence so given used to incriminate that witness in any other proceedings, except in a prosecution for perjury or for the giving of contradictory evidence.

    So yes, perhaps a law would require you to divulge your key in a court (unlikely and definitely a charter violation). Yet that key would have to be discarded as usable evidence in further trials (such as the one they start when they unlock the information), negating the usefulness of said law.

  8. Re:Has anyone read Digital Fortress? by cperciva · · Score: 2, Informative

    Dan Brown's book addresses this very issue. The one line that echoes in my head when reading this story is a line from the novel.

    "Who will guard the guards?"


    That line may have appeared in Dan Brown's book, but he didn't write it. He quoted the famous phrase ("quis custodiet ipsos custodes") from Juvenal's sixth satire.

  9. Re:ok, but... by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Informative

    6 of the 9-11 terrorists came through canada, on the catferry from NS to bar harbor to get to boston

    You have a source for this? I realize that it became a meme that terrorists came from Canada, and it is true that Rassam came from Canada on an attempt to bomb LAX, however it was my impression, and this was reiterated many times, that not one of the 9-11 terrorists came through Canada. Not that it matters anyways, as ferry or not they're still going through US Customs, and thus it's still up to the US to maintain its security (just as it does, or rather didn't do, when all of the others flew right in and should have raised every red flag).

  10. Re:Not a chance. by digidave · · Score: 2, Informative

    Michael Geist has a column in the Toronto Star, the biggest circulation paper in the country. You can bet he will be on this. Last week he was all up in arms about some privacy thing, too.

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  11. CSE/NSA vs. CIA/CSIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    The grandparent typed CSIS when CSE would be more accurate:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Securi ty_Establishment

  12. Re:ok, but... by debest · · Score: 2, Informative

    it was my impression, and this was reiterated many times, that not one of the 9-11 terrorists came through Canada

    Your impression is correct. Hearing this myth repeated ad nauseum by Fox pundits is one thing, but when a politician spouts it as well, that's another. When Newt Gingrich used this "fact" earlier this year, our Ambassador to the U.S. called him out pretty quickly, and forced an apology. Here is one article on the story.

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