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Spurned O'Reilly 'Foo' Camp Attendees Create 'Bar'

theodp writes "CNET reports on this weekend's Bar Camp, an open-source alternative to O'Reilly Media's A-List Foo Camp, which CEO Tim O'Reilly explains employs a "Bozo filter" to exclude undesirable attendees.

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  1. Alternatives by gbulmash · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Why does this article make me think of the old saying: "I wouldn't belong to any club that would have me as a member"?

    Then again, alternative events (not "alternative" in the sense of the label given to certain rock bands, but actually created as an alternative to a more exclusive event) sometimes do develop into something worthwhile. First one that comes to mind is the Sundance Film Festival alternative, Slamdance.

    - Greg

    1. Re:Alternatives by laurensv · · Score: 3, Insightful
    2. Re:Alternatives by Johnboi+Waltune · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Well, it makes me think of an incestuous and pretentious exercise in intellectual circle-jerkery.

      I don't think you're wrong, though.

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  2. Headline... by Infinityis · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe a catchier headline would've been:

    Foo 2 Bar Bozo

  3. Mr. T by Infinityis · · Score: 5, Funny

    Didn't get an invite to the latest camp? I pity the Foo...

    1. Re:Mr. T by dj245 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I got this in my RSS feed with the headline Does O'Reilly have a smelly crotch?

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  4. Good for everyone, surely? by Paul+Crowley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's OK for Tim O'Reilly to invite who he likes, and it's a very difficult thing to do. Far from creating a rival camp being a bitter and evil thing to do, it's an extremely constructive and positive response, and it could mean that there are two creative geek hothouse conferences where before there was one. Let a thousand flowers bloom!

  5. Bozo Filters by thewiz · · Score: 2, Funny

    employs a "Bozo filter"

    I don't understand why people are upset about this. This filter should only apply to clowns, not IT folks.

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    1. Re:Bozo Filters by Speare · · Score: 3, Informative
      Dynamics of Software Development http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1556 158238
      • Rule #4 "Don't Flip The Bozo Bit". This rule is necessary to keep #2 ["Get Their Heads Into The Game"] working. The author deals with the natural tendency that people have to become defensive when criticism is offered of their ideas. This can actually cause both the critic and the one being criticized to tune each other out. The author suggests that team members call each other on it when the Bozo Bit is being flipped.
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    2. Re:Bozo Filters by ebuck · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's some very appealing ideas that really are bad ones.

      I remember reading of O'Reilly presentations with titles like "Design as you go!", emploring the virtures of not planning out anything about your software, just throwing a bunch of coders at it and let the architecture "take care of itself".

      Five years later I received (part time) the pleasure of trying to assimilate the twice abandoned project that was the flagship product being developed under this plan. It wasn't bad, but it was Java instilled with all of that good'ole Basic spagetti. Add to that a dev team that was at a standstill because fixing any major thing meant they'd have to take a crack a re-architecting.

      If they were really on to something, it would have been interesting, but I guess they were really just trying to pitch their product. Had they advocated unit testing, some sort of code review, or any other quality practice, perhaps they would have had something. Instead it was literally, "embrace the anarchy" which ruled the message of that day.

      It is important to remember that not all ideas are of equal quality. It's easy to forget when you're having a NASA Astronaut being followed up by a Flatlander in the name of blance.

  6. Its not a rival... by MosesJones · · Score: 2, Insightful


    This is open source... its just a branch from the original idea, re-packaged by someone new for the problem that they want to solve.

    Sure forks in the code/idea base aren't always good but I'm sure if Bar gets some good ideas that they will be incorporated back into the Foo release.

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  7. Bill? by SupaKoopa · · Score: 2, Funny

    my first thought was, "What the hell is Bill O'Reily doing with a camp called 'foo?'"

  8. From TFA by Nuclear+Elephant · · Score: 4, Funny

    You have to understand the objectives of the event.

    Well sure with names like Foo Camp and Bar Camp, who wouldn't be able to pick up on that.

  9. I take it... by Paul+Crowley · · Score: 3, Funny

    I take it any code produced there will be called "Bar Code"?

    IGMC.

  10. Re:Scott Adams should sue... by gandreas · · Score: 5, Informative

    Or maybe not, since when the Macintosh was released, files with their "Bozo bits" (one of a handful of flags a file could have) would be copy protected (and couldn't be copied in the Finder). It was so called because "only a bozo would rely on this for real copy protection" (since nothing prevented them from being turned off)

  11. The sword cuts both ways. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Ironically, Bar Camp attendee Dave Winer, who has been pretty vocal about not being invited to Foo Camp, went to the uppity invite-only World Economic Forum in Davos once.

    Once.

    1. Re:The sword cuts both ways. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dave Winer was also invited to an open source summit once.

      Once.

  12. I'm here! Say hi! by burtonator · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hey. I'm here!

    Make sure to stop and say hi!

    http://www.feedblog.org/2005/08/see_you_at_barc.ht ml

  13. Try as I might... by anandamide · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I cannot assign this article to the category "Stuff That Matters"... It just keeps jumping into the category "Stuff That is Totally Irrelevant".

  14. My task is now clear... by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 4, Funny
    Spurned O'Reilly 'Foo' Camp Attendees Create 'Bar'

    My task is now clear. I will have to assimilate them! Their resistance is futile!

  15. Ob Futurama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, I'll organize my own conference! With blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget the conference!

  16. BozoFilter was directed at Winer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Everyone knows it.

  17. Re:insanely expensive by chromatic · · Score: 2, Informative

    There's no charge for Foo camp. O'Reilly hosts it, rents showers, and pays for food, wireless, and electricity.

  18. What's the big deal about the bozo filter? by Lijemo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From TFA:

    So how do we decide who to invite? ...
    Then we put together a list of a thousand odd names that we have to winnow down as best we can...
    Sixth cut: the bozo filter. Someone who has been at a previous FOO camp, and whom we had complaints about for some reason or another, or who has built that kind of reputation on the net. Unfortunately, you probably don't know who you are, but other people do.

    Tim: Dude, no. Last time I invited you to a party, you broke into my parent's liquor cabinent, through half their furnature into the fireplace, had sex with the dog, and I was grounded for a month. You are most definitely not invited.

    Bozo:ELITIST!!!

    As it says in the article, this is an event that only works well if it is below a certain size, and where there are many more deserving poetential invities than there are spots for them. There IS NO PERFECT WAY to filter down a group like that. This is not high-school, where everyone but you got invited to the cool party, so now you're not talkint to your best friend anymore.

    Also notice that this is "sixth cut"-- where they've already made five passes at trying to cut the guest list down to a managable size, but still need to cut it down further.

    Creating the "Bar" camp is a cool idea. Bitching about not getting into the "Foo" camp is just childish.

  19. Haha, loser! by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 4, Funny

    Haha, loser! It's speled "spel", not "spell". You need to get a speling checkre.
    -russ

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  20. Re:While they are at it by biglig2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Only on Slashdot would someone feel it necessary to define the word stripper.

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  21. Sheesh... by Error27 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't really understand what the big deal is.

    There are basically two types of people in the world, people who do stuff (coders) and people who talk about stuff (writers). And then somewhere below that there are people who make money off of writers (publishers).

    I don't have anything against publishers per se but who really cares? I mean _really_ cares?

  22. Re:It's FUBAR, not foobar by jericho4.0 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    From RFC 3092, 'Etymology of "Foo"'

    "Approximately 212 RFCs, or about 7% of RFCs issued so far, starting with [RFC269], contain the terms `foo', `bar', or `foobar' used as a metasyntactic variable..."

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  23. Re:While they are at it by Stickerboy · · Score: 2, Funny
    Only on Slashdot would someone feel it necessary to define the word stripper.

    Or at the Home Depot/Tool Time Conference For Better Floor Finishes - but maybe for different reasons. ;)

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