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HighDef Content to Require New Monitors
QT writes "Ars Technica has an interesting article on how HDCP figures into Microsoft and Apple's future OS plans.
Not only will future HD content not play in pure HD on most existing monitors (it will be degraded, or not shown at all), but high-end monitors today don't support HDCP yet. HDCP
has been coming for 3+ years, but geek fantasy items such as Apple's $3,000 30" Cinema Display don't even have support for it yet! The end result is that when Windows Vista ships
(and Apple's next OS), most people won't be able to watch protected HD content on their computers."
There's a bit of info about all this over at DRMadness as well, though it's aimed specifically at Blu-ray and HD-DVD (but that's HighDef content as well, isn't it)...
You need the driver that authenticates to the display. I doubt very much that will be (legally) in any OSS drivers.
Yes, but those were implementation bugs, not full blown cracks - and one needed to have a license to some of the content to begin with. The holes were patched by MS very quickly and new content depends on a patched media player.
I managed to break WMAs however with a high success rate, but newer ones are again fixed against that patch.
Nonetheless, it will happen, there just isnt enough demand yet.
The idea is that Vista will determine whether or not your system has an HDCP monitor. If it does not, it will either play the video at non-HD quality (downsampling, I suppose) or not play it at all. Thus, the OS will force you to upgrade your monitor to an HDCP compliant one if you want to watch HD.
Microsoft could choose not to implement this, thus allowing HD to be viewed on Legacy monitors.
Such a dongle would be illegal under the DMCA.
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Remember the limitation here is on computer monitors. I don't plan to watch Blu-Ray discs on my computer, I've got a dedicated HDTV in front of my couch for that. Most HiDef TVs (plasmas, LCD, DLP, CRT) have supported HDCP for about 2 years. So unless you have one of the early ones with only component connections, you should be fine.
Sorry, but I can get them out easily as the iPod simply mounts as a drive and I can copy what I like out. Yes the filenames are obscured but since the ID3 data lives in teh file it's a moot point. 3rd party tools just make it a little handier.
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The popular Dell 20" wide screen (2005FPW) is already a victom of this. The monitor's native resolution is 1680x1050 and so it should be able to render 720p without a problem. However, you can't get HDTV content from either digital cable or directv receivers via DVI. Currently, going analog via Component In will get you HD, but unfortunately the monitor only offers DVI, VGA, S-Vid, & Composite. I use a Component to VGA transcoder, but the solution is neither cheap nor elegant.
Sadly, PS/2 was yet another victim of USB, which doesn't care what you plug into it, the electrical slut.
So, no hardware supports is officially yet, but with Vista you can watch it on you pc (under reduced resolution anyway)...
no hardware save almost all HDTVs made these days, as well as the HD-DVD and (rumored) BluRay. this is much bigger than just PCs - your TVs, cable boxes, cable cards, etc, will all include HDCP of some sort (and most TVs with HDMI input already do support it.)
of course, you could go shopping before the MPAA starts with the lawsuits...
Excuse my speling.
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I guess you never heard of EUCD? Already enforced in most EU countries :(
"Researchers demonstrated fatal flaws in HDCP for the first time in 2001, prior to its adoption in any commercial product. Scott Crosby of CMU authored a paper with Ian Goldberg, Robert Johnson, Dawn Song, and David Wagner called A Cryptanalysis of the High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection System. This paper was presented at ACM-CCS8 DRM Workshop on November 5th, 2001."
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Microsoft could choose not to implement this, thus allowing HD to be viewed on Legacy monitors.
No they couldn't. The DRM algorithms for HD content are patented and controlled by a media consortium. Furthermore the keys for the system are protected as trade-secrets. This consortium will refuse to license the algorithms or keys to anyone who does not sign a contract agreeing to play thier rules. It would be illegal for Microsoft to create an implementation that was not blessed by the patent/key holders.
So the choice that Microsoft and Apple have is to either play HDCP'd content the way they are told to play it (which is downgraded on non-HDCP monitors) or to not play it at all.
A quick calculation shows 1280x720 60fps at 24 bit color is 1.5Gbps. I don't know about you, but my computer cannot possibly capture that. I don't know of a single hard drive or RAID system that can write 190MB/s that does not cost as much as my Nissan 350z. To buy hardware to copy this stuff is just as dumb as buying a Toyota Hybrid to save money on Gas. (10 years at 15k miles per year to make up the cost difference from a civic).
AES-256 is "harder" than 3DES, and 3DES has yet to be cracked. The AES-256 is going on the chip.
Give cracking it a try.
Yes, Linux is used in the set-top boxes (Scientific Atlanta comes to mind). Try loading an alternate OS on these boxes. Done "properly" its impossible (or close to).
The easiest scheme is to have an MD-5 hash of the software load, and refuse to load anything else.
Now, you are thinking "the load will have the key". It may... or the key is in the box. Usually, the key will be wrapped by another AES-256 layer, that the loader knows NOTHING about. FIPS-140 stuff...
Now, the system WON'T be entirely secure -- you could always resort to chip-scraping, or thermals, etc. to break the key. As to the "Hardware to incorporate the technology to decrypt at 30 fps, full screen". Lets see -- using a Xilinx FPGA, I can decrypt AES-256 at a rate of ~500 Mbps. About 10x what is needed. Custom logic? why not. Costs less...
Note that the Linux NEVER KNOWS THE MEANING OF THE DATA. It just shoves it to the monitor. Which already has expensive glass parts, etc. The cost of an additional chip in the monitor is even more easily absorbed.
FOSS DRM? Sure, why not. The job of the FOSS DRM software will be to mediate keys, and establish a trust relationship. IT IS NOT GOING TO DECODE THE DATA.
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HDCP and HDMI are not the same thing. HDCP is an interface which is a proposed successor to DVI and also includes audio. HDCP is an DRM scheme which is compatible with DVI and HDMI. Converting DVI to HDMI is relatively simple as the pins in DVI all have direct equivalents in HDMI (at least, the digital ones do, not sure about the analogue), much as converting DVI to VGA was easy.
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I bought this awesome VCR a while back... It's great. High quality video. I can even record my own stuff right off TV!
I heard of this upcoming thing called DVD... supposed to be a lot better than VHS, but it will require an entirely new television/monitor!
It's crap if you ask me! Down with these evil companies trying to force me to buy a new television/monitor!
You can make a DVD player work with a 20 year old TV, no sweat. This standard, on the other hand, obsoletes every display currently on the market.
That's exactly the way they want it to go down. Your best option right now is to check if your cable company provides a digital box with firewire out (cable companies are now forced to provide firewire out if you ask). If so, buy a D-VHS videotape recorder and timeshift / archive to tape. The JVC HMDH40000 and HMDH5U both offer 1080i component out (the 5U also offers HDMI). But the format will die as Blu-Ray / HD-DVD comes to market due to pressure from Hollywood. --M
I'm too lazy to dig for the link, but check recent /. stories for the one on the school that is ditching textbooks for electronic versions. Time limitied, DRM, electronic versions...
Then check out RMS' short story The Right to Read
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Everything you say is true, except for one bit, when you say the words "re-rip lossless." While you can definitely re-rip the burned CD in a lossless format, the entire burn-out and rip-in transaction WILL incur a serious sonic loss. If all you're ever going to do is play the music on iPod headphones, a budget car stereo, or computer speakers, you might never notice though, but it's there.
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The USA produces virtually no hard goods anymore. Steel? Autos? Electronics? Manufactured goods of every kind? These hard goods are not made in the USA anymore.
This isn't quite correct. Lots of cars are still manufactured in the USA. Honda has two plants in Ohio, Toyota has various plants in the south, BMW and Mercedes have plants in places like South Carolina and Alabama, etc. Of course, none of these companies are US-owned (Ford and GM build all their cars in Mexico now). Apparently American labor is cheaper than Japanese and German labor (the savings in not having to ship probably helps a lot too).
There's also other manufactured goods still made in the US, but they're either really cheap mass-produced stuff (for instance, various building materials are still made here), or really expensive specialty items (like $50k Agilent test equipment).
Also, a lot of raw materials are still produced here, I believe, such as copper which is mined in various places in the Southwest.
Heavy equipment like John Deere's ag, construction, and consumer equipment is still produced in the US, and will be for some time. They have a few factories outside the US, but the vast majority of the equipment sold here is made here.
Don't be so sure buddy. It took years to crack the DVD's CSS and its much simpler.
DVDs came in 1997, and DeCSS was released in 1999. I believe that it took so long to ensure that the market was entrenched, they couldn't just retract and switch formats. Imagine a crack shows up practicly at launch, they'll pull it from the market because all the movie companies won't release on an already cracked format, unless there's such a big market there that they can't afford not to.
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But the copy will be of much lower quality than the original, which is the point.
Get a full-res monitor. Do a proper color calibration of the monitor. Grab a bunch of cameras/sensors, place them in front of the TV. Make sure you get pixel-accurate images (in total) and color calibrate these too. Capture the uncompressed output, frame accurate & recompress. Sure, you will get one more round of artifacts from reencoding, but you have a HD stream extremely close to the original. It only needs to be done once. Right now, there's simply so many easier ways but that is the real analog hole - your eyes.
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Not true. I'm with Comcast/Boston and am able to copy all the cable and premium chanels, except for pay per view. If you're only able to copy OTA broadcasts then your local head-end is misconfigured. There are three levels of copyprotection: none, or unencrypted; copy-once, or encrypted with the right to copy to tape once; and copy-never. Cable and premium chanels are supposed to be set to "Copy Once". Your HTPC can't record these files because they're encrypted and the PC doesn't have a driver with the proper decryption keys. But the D-VHS deck will. Please see this thread over at AVS Forum for details. --M