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X-15 Pilots Finally Get Astronaut Wings

Ginnungagap42 writes "NASA has a story about pilots Bill Dana, John McKay and Joe Walker finally receiving their astronauts wings for their work in the X-15 program back in the 1960's. Astronauts wings were awarded to the USAF personnel in the 1960's, but not to the civilian NASA pilots until now. The X-15 program was an important testbed for hypersonic flight. It's nice that all the pilots who flew high and fast are finally being recognized."

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  1. Today on Oxymoron Theatre: by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 5, Interesting


    I read this story this morning on SpaceRef, and I was struck with the absurdity of the concept of "astronaut wings", since wings are less than useful in a vacuum. Still, I suppose that there's a great deal of precedent for the "wings" decoration...it's interesting to speculate on whether or not the nomenclature will eventually be shifted to more accurately reflect the current level of technological development (the 'order of the silver booster', or some such). It's equally possible that the nomenclature will never be altered, out of a respect for tradition and a nostalgia for the good old days...it's conceiveable that in the future, an astronaut living on a space station could be award "wings" for some accomplishment of other, having never travelled in an atmosphere himself.

    Good to see these pilots get their props for their contributions, though, even if it is posthumously in the cases of John McKay and Joseph Walker, and even if surviving pilot Bill Dana seems unimpressed by the whole affair.

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    1. Re:Today on Oxymoron Theatre: by mmkkbb · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, props aren't very useful in space, for the same reason that wings aren't. /gets coat

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    2. Re:Today on Oxymoron Theatre: by Shakes268 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Do you think you could be any more anal? To pick apart the decoration in such a way as you have shows that you either have too much time on your hands or just like to argue about things to "prove" you're smarter than those around you. Sure I might get modded as a troll but wow! There are more important things in life than worrying about whether astronaughts should get a wing decoration or not. They are pilots - they fly. Definition of fly could be debated in your terms of thinking however I think the term stil applies - even though it might not be conventional aerodynamics using lift, drag, and airfoils.

    3. Re:Today on Oxymoron Theatre: by Fishstick · · Score: 2, Informative

      Do you still 'dial' a phone number (or wait for the 'dial tone' first)? When what the last time (if ever) you used a rotarty dial telephone?

      I'm sure there a are lots of other/better examples, but the point is once a word or phrase gets some level of common use it gains a certain amount of social inertia. Even though the technology changes and the term is log obsolete, it is hard to think of substituting a different word.

      I can't ever imagine saying:

      "Hold on while I touch-tone his cell."

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    4. Re:Today on Oxymoron Theatre: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you're posting on /., you have too much time on your hands. ;)

      When spaceplanes are in common use, everybody will have astronaut wings. Bragging about earning your astronaut wings will be equivalent to bragging about buying a new toothbrush. BFD.

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  2. Tom Wolfe mentioned this by Mark+of+THE+CITY · · Score: 5, Informative

    In "The Right Stuff," Wolfe mentioned that the NASA X-15 pilots didn't qualify for astronaut wings. Supposedly, a party was held for one of them after his qualifying flight. He was a pair of cardboard wings labelled "Asstronaut."

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    1. Re:Tom Wolfe mentioned this by spencerogden · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also see this book for a great discussion of what makes a pilot. We're the Astronauts pilots even though a monkey made thier flights first? Not to say that doesn't make them brave, but there was certainly a lack of control.

      Compare this with the work being done on the X-15 and centruy series rocket planes. No computer assist, full pilot controled flight to the edge of space and back. Serious Cajones there.

    2. Re:Tom Wolfe mentioned this by lgw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Astronauts didn't actually do much in early rocketry, almost everyhting was ground-controlled (obviously the X planes were the reverse). The only reason the early manned rockets even had controls (allowing the astronauts to call themselves "pilots") was that the astronauts demanded it, however pointlessly, and were important enough to the PR side of NASA to get what they wanted. More self-loading PR material than pilots. Heck, the same thing is almost certainly true for why the shuttle is piloted for the last 2-3 minutes of landing.

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  3. Space Ship One Virgin by saskboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Space Ship One's private citizen pilot(s?) got his wings, or at least that's what CNN reported.
    http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/10/04/spaceship one.attempt.cnn/

    "Binnie, now only the second person in history to earn his commercial astronaut wings, reported a shaky flight with "a little roll" but did not experience the 29 rolls Mike Melvill experienced last week."

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    1. Re:Space Ship One Virgin by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2, Informative
      No, they were actually presented to both the SS1 pilots after the flights. I distinctly remember a photo of Melville being presented his by a FAA representative.

      From the FAA:

      The FAA's Associate Administrator, Patti Grace Smith, presented Mr. Melville with the first FAA-issued commercial astronaut wings. A few short months later, on October 4 th, I had the privilege of awarding the next set of wings to Astronaut Brian Binnie.
  4. About time by BrentRJones · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Those guys risk their lives more than any current astronauts. I recall putting together a plastic model of the X-15 in 1958. I was in second grade and very, very keen on the space program. I still am, but think that robots should be used much more now.

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    1. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Still in second grade after 47 years? Don't you think it might be time to just give up? :-)

  5. Congrats! by NetNinja · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I guess this had to happen since the civilian pilot who went up into space to claim the X-Prize was awarded his astronaut wings.

    1. Re:Congrats! by databyss · · Score: 2, Informative

      Those guys were awarded their wings from the FAA, not NASA.

      Whole different story there.

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  6. Just like space ship one by evenprime · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It makes sense. They were in a winged, rocket powered craft that was dropped from an airplane. If they actually got to the same height as the guys from Scaled Composites, they deserve the same astronaut wings.

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    1. Re:Just like space ship one by Tango42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The highest X-15 was 108km, SpaceShipOne reached 112km... 112>108 last time I checked.

    2. Re:Just like space ship one by Rei · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not like it matters. 90% of the energy of a LEO orbit is horizontal, not vertical. SS1's up-and-down flight record belies the fact that it had almost no orbital energy. X-15 went 2/7ths of the necessary velocity for orbit, on 1950s tech.

      Heck, even the V-2 had a greater payload (probably about twice SS1's cockpit, at 1000 kg) twice the delta-V, compared to SS1. And we're talking about the birth of modern rocketry there.

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  7. Wings in the distant future... by protolith · · Score: 2, Interesting


    I would expect that "wings" will still be wings even in the distant future of space travel. The award ceremony will just contain an explanation of the symbolic significance of "wings".

  8. joe walker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    just FYI I dont know about the first two test pilots but joe walker died in a jet crash in like the late 60's or early 70's. In fact my middle schools name was joe walker in honor of his life since he died while the school was being built or just after it was built (sorry its been a long time since middle school heh). It was pretty cool because I was actually doing a research project on him for the school website and I actually remember we found an old 8mm in the school attic of 'this is your life... joe walker'

  9. If Bill Dana got wings ... by TheCrig · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... then what about Jose Jimenez?

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  10. Re:Space Ship One Virgin: Retraction by Trick · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, whaddayaknow? CNN's wording was a bit strange on that one. I checked to see if I was making an ass out of myself, and I was. The two SpaceShip One pilots *did* receive astronaut wings.

    Yummy. Foot.

  11. About time... by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 5, Funny

    The X-15 pilots were moving so fast, it took the medals and awards bureau 35 years to catch up with them.

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  12. Re:NASA Page for X-15 by PWatson · · Score: 5, Informative

    Uhh, the link seems to be missing. Therefore, here are the NASA and Wikipedia links to X-15 articles for your reading enjoyment.

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  13. A little OT: by RPI+Geek · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In his book," Sled Driver," SR- 71/ Blackbird pilot Brian Shul writes:

    I'll always remember a certain radio exchange that occurred one day as Walt (my backseater) and I were screaming across Southern California 13 miles high. We were monitoring various radio transmissions from other aircraft as we entered Los Angeles airspace. Though they didn't really control us, they did monitor our movement across their scope. I heard a Cessna ask for a readout of its groundspeed. "90 knots" Center replied. Moments later, a Twin Beech required the same. "120 knots," Center answered. We weren't the only ones proud of our groundspeed that day as almost instantly an F-18 smugly transmitted, "Ah, Center, Dusty 52 requests groundspeed readout." There was a slight pause, then the response, "525 knots on the ground, Dusty." Another silent pause. As I was thinking to myself how ripe a situation this was, I heard a familiar click of a radio transmission coming from my backseater. It was at that precise moment I realized Walt and I had become a real crew, for we were both thinking in unison. "Center, Aspen 20, you got a groundspeed readout for us?" There was a longer than normal pause.... "Aspen, I show 1,742 knots." No further inquiries were heard on that frequency.

    In another famous SR-71 story, Los Angeles Center reported receiving a request for clearance to FL 60 (60,000ft).
    The incredulous controller, with some disdain in his voice, asked, "How do you plan to get up to 60,000 feet?
    The pilot (obviously a sled driver), responded, " We don't plan to go up to it, we plan to come down to it..."
    He was cleared...

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    1. Re:A little OT: by chl · · Score: 4, Informative
      Funny stories. Just a little nitpick: 60000ft would be flight level (FL) 600. The lowest flight level is FL180, which is at a pressure altitude of 18000ft, which in standard atmospheric conditions is 18000ft above sea level. Pressure altitude is the altitude inferred from the ambient pressure. It coincides with the real altitude only at standard atmospheric conditions, i.e. no high, no lows, no hot or cold day.

      This means that, if pressure or temperature are lower than standard, the flight levels come down accordingly, so FL180 could actually be *below* 17500ft. Consequently, FL180 to FL185 are not used on those days.

      Below 18000ft, pressure altitude is usually corrected for non-standard pressure, and that corrected value is shown on the altimeter. This makes it easier to find your altitude above ground level, which is important for clearing obstacles and landing at airports, whose elevations are given in "real" ft above mean sea level. At higher altitudes, these ground problems are not so relevant, and the flight level scale is used.

      chl

    2. Re:A little OT: by willith · · Score: 3, Funny

      Another anecdote along those lines, related by Lt. Colonel William Burk Jr. in Ben Rich's memoirs:

      In the fall of '82, I flew from Mildenhall on a mission to Lebanon in response to the Marine barrack bombing. President Reagan ordered photo coverage of ill the terrorist bases in the region. The French refused to allow us to overfly, so our mission was to refuel off the south coast of England....

      We completed our pass over Beirut and turned toward Malta, when I got a warning low-oil-pressure light on my right engine. Even though the engine was running fine I slowed down and lowered our altitude and made a direct line for England. We decided to cross France without clearance instead of going the roundabout way. We made it almost across, when I looked out the left window and saw a French Mirage III sitting ten feet off my left wing. He came up on our frequency and asked us for our Diplomatic Clearance Number. I had no idea what he was talking about, so I told him to stand by. I asked my backseater, who said, "Don't worry about it. I just gave it to him." What he had given him was "the bird' with his middle finger. I lit the afterbumers and left that Mirage standing still. Two minutes later, we were crossing the Channel.

  14. Bill Dana by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Bill was a groundman for my grandfather, Einar, when they were spin-testing the F-14. They jointly invented a difficult manoeuvre to escape from a frisbee-like uncontrolled highly stable spin that had caused several F-14s to crash. It's fantastic to see that Bill Dana is finally getting his wings.

  15. It's a shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Fastest Man On Earth(TM) couldn't be here to accept his wings (rightfully deserved at that).

    He flew the X-15 at 7,274 KM/hr, or Mach 6.7 to get some real grasp on that speed, as well as at an altitude greater than 50 miles, or 80 KM.

    The X-15 crew had to complete the astronaut training curriculum in order to fly the X-15, but that's beside the qualification required to recieve an Astronaut Wing, that being flying in space at an altitude greater than 50 miles, or 80 KM.

    Highlight of his X-15 (stolen from wikipedia):
    He had more than his share of eventful flights in the X-15. While climbing through 107,000 feet at Mach 4.17 on June 29, 1967, he suffered a total electrical failure and all onboard systems shutdown. After arching over at 173,000 feet, he calmly set up a visual approach and, resorting to old-fashioned "seat-of-the-pants" flying, he glided down to a safe emergency landing at Mud Lake, Nevada. For his remarkable feat of airmanship that day, he earned a Distinguished Flying Cross.

    On October 3, 1967, Knight set a world aircraft speed record by piloting the X-15A-2 to 4,520 miles per hour (Mach 6.7) -- a record that still stands today. During 16 flights in the aircraft, Knight also became one of only five pilots to earn their astronaut's wings by flying an airplane in space, reaching an altitude of 280,500 feet.

    1. Re:It's a shame by Tiger4 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Pete Knight was kind of an a$$hole in other aspects of life [see below], but he was a heck of a pilot. I saw him at the 50th anniversary of the Air Force and 50th anniversary of breaking the sound barrier celebration at Edwards in October 1997. His record flight was in October 1967, making it the 30th anniversary. I asked him about it. He said the celebration organizers didn't think it was significant enough to recognize at the same event. I definitely felt kind of bad for him at that point. It isn't easy flying an aircraft that is trying to melt.

      WRT the other aspects, Knight went into local politics and eventually went to the California state Senate. He sided with the conservative Republicans, but was mean even by their standards. At one point he was caught handling out flyers with a "funny" poem about wetback Mexican women on the Senate floor. Another time he sponsored some anti-gay legislation. It passed, but ended up being made totally toothless in practice.

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  16. very, very beautiful scenery... by da5idnetlimit.com · · Score: 2, Funny

    zipping past at very, very high speed.

    "Dana flew the X-15 research airplane 16 times, reaching a top speed of 3,897 miles per hour and a peak altitude of 310,000 feet (almost 59 miles high).http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/X-15/ HTML/E-16808.html

    59 Miles should be enough to grant you space wings. They asked for a bit more for the Xprize (328,000 feet) but it is true than even spaceShipOne is gloating about "SpaceShipOne Wins X-Prize - Breaks X-15 altitude record"...

    Now, if he had won the prize money, he might have been more "impressed" with the matter...

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  17. Too little, too late. by Starker_Kull · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Two of these three are dead, and I suspect Bill Dana is in his 70's, and probably doesn't care much. When you are young, flying on adrenaline and have a pretty high mortality rate, the small regconitions like wings and honors and medals mean a lot more. If it takes 40+ years to deliver them, after you have calmed down a bit and had a full life, it probably doesn't mean a whole lot for the people (well, person) it's being awarded to. I think it's being done to make the institution feel better about itself, not particularly for Dana, McKay, or Walker.