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Intel and Laptop RAID?

Might E. Mouse writes "The next version of Centrino, codenamed Napa, will support RAID. Intel is pushing it as a great way for business users to have added reliability and data backup on their work notebooks. Should boost gaming performance too. Anyone for 2.5GHz Pentium M, GeForce 7800 Go graphics and a 200GB RAID array? "

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  1. Work backups by kevin_conaway · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In a workplace environment, you should not trust your users (or their machines) with their own backups. I like the situation at my workplace:

    If we're plugged into the corporate network, we have software running that will periodically backup everything you place in your 'My Documents' folder or some other such folder. Users know that if they want something backed up, they put their data there.

    1. Re:Work backups by bombadillo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Raid is not for backups. Raid is intended to keep the machine running in the event of a hardware failure.

    2. Re:Work backups by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Funny
      > keep running in the event of a hardware failure

      Which, on a laptop, invariably happens at 9.8m/s^2.

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  2. Why do this? by dreold · · Score: 5, Insightful
    More weight, more things to break, less battery life...

    Nothing beats proper backup and/or syncing tools and procedure.

  3. Interesting... somewhat by digitalgimpus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have a Pentium 4M in a Thinkpad.

    I have had 2 HD's (non-raid) for a couple years now. One of which is a 7200 RPM drive.

    I don't think this would work as a RAID for power reasons. Unless some new battery technology really takes off... how could this be viable? I couldn't imagine if both drives were used at the same time. My laptop is normally plugged in (that's when I use the 2nd HD). But unplugged... it would be a nightmare.

    Until nuclear batteries are perfected... this is vaporware in my mind.

  4. Don't forget... by rhsanborn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...a 10lb. addition because you have 4 disks attached to the bottom of your laptop, and I hope you can strap the battery to your back because its going to go quick spinning more than one drive.

  5. issues by fuelvolts · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sounds great, but what about battery life? That hing would eat a 6 or 8 cell Li-ion battery for breakfast. Why would a businessman want a laptop that is heavy (2 HDs and bigger battery) low battery life and bulky? Sounds good in theory, but doesnt work - like communism. In summary - that is the laptop for communists.

  6. Re:WTF for? by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Because people don't backup on the network once a night and you go to a normal person and you ask them to do that they will stare at you with a blank face. Then if you show them how to do it the face will become more blank.

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  7. I don't get it? ; onboard ; memory ; solid state? by PhYrE2k2 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    First off, RAID-1 (I imagine they won't have >2 drives in a notebook) will not increase speed, as it's just a mirror- a write takes the same time, writing to both drives equally. A read generally only pulls from one drive at a time. If they have >2 drives, you could get some increased speed from the drive to the controller.

    Second, won't this be bad for battery life having a second 4200RPM drive in your notebook? Not to mention weight?

    Third, any money says it'll use the onboard memory for its RAID controller or maybe even software RAID, meaning it, like onboard video will slow your computer down.

    For an argument for it, lets turn to my former partner:

    Any video card must keep the monitor refreshed. That means reading the entire video buffer at whatever the refresh frequency is.

    Let's say you're running 1024x768, 16bpp, 75Hz. This is quite conservative, obviously. Bandwidth consumption? Well the video buffer is 1024x768x2 bytes = 1.5MB. Read it 75 times per second and you are eating 112.5MB/s of your main memory bandwidth. You just lost 14MHz of your RAM clock speed.

    Picking some more realistic numbers: 1280x1024, 32bpp, 85Hz. This is a much more typical configuration. Bandwidth consumption here... video buffer is 5.0MB, read 85 times per second == 425MB/s. You've now lost about 53MHz of your RAM clock speed.

    These numbers assume that the video card is doing nothing but refreshing the screen. Obviously that's not realistic. If you're just typing a document then you're likely pushing about 10MB/s thru the video card. But as soon as you start scrolling the screen, running Flash applications or anything with any animation to it (and we know WinXP is FULL of CPU-hogging animations) the memory bandwidth loss skyrockets.


    This doesn't seem to make much sense. In an age of GBe and 10GBe ethernet, wi-max, storage of files across corporate networks over the Internet, why is RAID in a laptop useful?

    Personally, I'd like to see more money put into developing SOLID STATE hard drives that use less power, produce less heat, and have no moving parts- such as a flash drive, only bigger

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  8. Re:WTF for? by dsginter · · Score: 4, Informative

    Forgive my ignorance, but why on earth would anyone want RAID on their laptop?

    I've got an $1900 bill from Ontrack Data Recovery sitting next to me that would explain the situation nicely. In the business world, not everyone is a tech-savvy geek with a broadband connection or a secure backup technique.

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  9. Re:Works for me... but... by the_mighty_$ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think in the next 2 years we will be witnessing the death of desktop PC's and replacement with laptops in most circumstances as costs get closer and designs merge.

    I, for one, will not welcome our laptop overlords until laptop manufacturors come up with a single set of standards. I want to be able to customize my laptop the same way I can customize my whitebox PC.

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  10. Re:WTF for? by nacturation · · Score: 4, Insightful
    If you have data that important on a laptop, it should be backed up to something else-- DVD, thumbdrive, pocket-size USB HDD, etc. Having a second drive in the laptop means that whatever ills befall your laptop, also befall your backup.

    RAID doesn't replace a backup. You still need to run backups. All it means is that if one drive fails, you can still keep working as it won't affect the entire machine.

    Which would you rather have?
    1. A single hard drive, fully backed up, such that if it were to fail you would suffer a 100% loss in productivity on your system until you had a chance to replace the drive and rebuild everything. Or...
    2. Two hard drives configured in a mirror, also fully backed up, such that if one drive failed the other drive takes up the slack and you can finish whatever you were working on. Later, you take the laptop in for service to replace the damaged drive having lost zero productivity in the meantime.
    I know which I would choose.
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  11. Re:WTF for? by Greger47 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I predict both drives will be just as dead after the laptop got dropped on the floor...

    At the university I work some of the more overhyped IT courses lend laptops to their students. Of the about 1000 laptops in circulation there are maby 3-4 dead HDs a year, and it's all due to generous amounts of gravity. :D

    /greger

  12. Re:WTF for? by chhupa_rustam · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It has nothing to do with RAID-on-laptops -- this is a strategic move because Intel's planning to use Centrino-like chips in servers pretty soon, as highlighted here (and in other, better articles): http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/12/technology/intel.r eut/

    Intel has a good chance of consolidating the underlying infrastructure across all their product lines, which would be a massive win and really benefit from economies of scale.

  13. Re:WTF for? by saintp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, it would be due to generous amounts of sudden decelleration. I'd be very surprised if any of them experienced more gravity than you or I.

  14. I miss laptops. by Humorously_Inept · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Seems like desktops are becoming smaller, quieter and more efficient while notebooks are becoming larger, noisier and hungrier. Whatever happened to portability?

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