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The Greying of the Mainframe Elite

bobcote writes "The Boston Globe is running a story about the maintainers of the mainframes getting older and facing retirement. One of the problems is that many computer science programs don't include mainframes in their curricula anymore. From the article: "Amid concerns that America doesn't produce enough technically trained young people, mainframe computer users and developers are especially concerned. Most computer science students concentrate on small-computer technology, such as Microsoft Corp.'s Windows operating systems, or the popular alternatives Unix and Linux. Few have been trained on zOS, the operating system that runs IBM Corp.'s massive mainframes."

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  1. zOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't worry, this is Unix system. I know this.

  2. Frightening shortage? by Spazmania · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is this anything like the frightening shortage of Cobol programmers? 'Cause I think business should demand more Cobol in the CS curriculum too.

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    1. Re:Frightening shortage? by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 5, Funny

      Guess what? I got a fever! And the only prescription... is more Cobol!

  3. Best. Quote. Ever. by msuzio · · Score: 4, Funny

    ''Some of us started dying," said Robert Stanley, 56, director of research for Air Traffic Software Architectures Inc. in Ottawa. ''Heart attacks and the like. Thirty years of Twinkie-eating."

  4. Re:Is this the end of the Mainframe? by phil+reed · · Score: 1, Funny

    No.

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  5. Re:Reminds me of school by ajrs · · Score: 4, Funny
    I was talking Cobal programming...but I rarely program anymore anyway



    hmm.

  6. Ford Thunderbird mechanics required by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny


    In other news Ford says there are not enough straight 6 small block mechanics to keep their 1950's Ford Thunderbird servicing department open

    "we just cant get the staff, its all Fuel injection and turbochargers these days, i can get qualified Engine diagnostics and managment technicians, but none know how to rebuild a 1953 Thunderbird alternator or rebore a small block" an unnamed official was quoted

  7. Business Plan by Johnboi+Waltune · · Score: 4, Funny

    The obvious maneuver for a mainframe expert:

    1. Retire at age 60.
    2. Put together a 40-hour training curriculum.
    3. Take a course on education and public speaking at your local college.
    4. Offer your training services at $300/hr, plus airfare, hotel, and per diem.
    5. Work 1 week per month, and make $12,000.

    6. (Optional) Set up a hot 19 year old college freshman with an apartment and a car, and bang her once a week until your heart gives out.

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  8. Re: Other effects... by mattyrobinson69 · · Score: 2, Funny

    > It reminds me of the Cobol joke

    Who's there?

  9. Re:It all works out by NardofDoom · · Score: 2, Funny
    Just as all the old analog dinosaurs were retiring the high-speed digital crowd discovered that maybe everything wasn't all ones and zeros.

    Pfft. Everyone knows there's no such thing as two.

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  10. Re:No need to register... by bladesjester · · Score: 4, Funny

    You know, that kind of reminds me of the behavior exhibited by a company that called me in to do some work on a piece of software that they wanted functionality added to.

    They asked me what it was going to cost them before even agreeing to tell me what it is they wanted done (and wanted a solid estimate, not an $x/hour).

    That had to be one of the weirdest, and shortest, negotiations for a project I've ever been on.

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  11. Re:I met one of these mainframe guys... by Tim+Doran · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sigh... Good times... good times...

  12. Re:IBM should be training by dasunt · · Score: 2, Funny

    I tried to pick up a job at a big iron shop once.

    They looked at me like I was confused and said that they didn't run windows.

    :(

  13. Re:But... by nameer · · Score: 2, Funny

    A manager I worked with had this up in his office:

    Q: What happens if I train my employees and they leave?
    A: What if you don't and they stay?

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  14. Re:No need to register... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Whoa! Four +5 Insightfuls in a row! This is bordering on intelligent debate... Where's the "In Soviet Russia, mainframe elite grey YOU!" comments, or "In South Korea, only old people use mainframes," or, Christ, even some good ol' frosty piss!? Can't someone call the GNAA!?

  15. Re:No need to register... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Cool, I need someone to mow my lawn.

  16. Re:Here to Stay by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1, Funny
    So, the more I make fun of people who want to learn mainframes, the more likely the people at American Education Services are to lose track of my student loans?

    I work with mainframes myself

    Have another Twinkie, Big Iron. Don't let that Beowulf hit you in the butt on the way out.

    Was that an OK start, or are there other sore points I should concentrate on?

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  17. Re:No need to register... by bladesjester · · Score: 5, Funny

    It was hilarious. I just kind of stood there and looked at the guy for a minute.

    It turns out that his bosses had asked him if the functionality could be added and he responded yes, and that he could do it. He had taken two one-night classes on programming. It was rather amusing.

    Predictably, he completely hosed it up and wanted someone to save him.

    I just kind of grinned as I walked out the door.

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  18. I bet they're not "facing" retirement by melted · · Score: 2, Funny

    They're frikking looking forward to it!

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