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Vista Launch Good for Desktop Linux?

Sensible Clod writes "XYZ Computing has an article hypothesizing that the arrival of Windows Vista may be a big opportunity for Linux to make headway on the desktop. Massive feature cutbacks for Vista as well as huge hardware requirements are cited as major factors. From the article: 'As the time gets closer and closer to the public debut of Vista the operating system seems to be constantly losing the luster which was associated with Longhorn...Whether it's the lack of a new file system or the Monad scripting shell, the absence of innovation in this operating system is giving it a black eye'. The article then shows the need for action to be taken to get Linux onto the computers in stores (display models!), and pinpoints a few important improvements Linux distros in general need to make. Very interesting read, and timely."

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  1. negligible by silverkniveshotmail. · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Vista is not going to decrease the amount of people purchasing new computers with whatever current version of windows is pre-loaded. This is the majority of windows purchases. As for those who are going to be holding onto their current computers and using them most of them will probably not upgrade to the newest (most expensive) operating system available and will probably stick with windows xp or 2000 until they get a new computer that does come with vista.
    The same people who bought windows XP at full retail will probably go ahead and buy Vista at full retail while most of us that use linux now will just keep using linux whether or not some new version of windows comes along.
    I think the whole impact will be negligible.

  2. This is what amazes me by Saven+Marek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Out of all the features meant to be in vista some since 1992, almost all of them have been dropped. Microsoft a large gigantic corporation couldn't get them in their system working.

    What's funny is that every one of those features is available today in a Linux distro near you. Yet still nobody listens and switches to linux in droves, but many wait for vista

    I think sometimes everyone is a sheep

    1. Re:This is what amazes me by Adelbert · · Score: 5, Funny
      I think sometimes everyone is a sheep

      If that's what you think, then so do I!

    2. Re:This is what amazes me by fontkick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why can't Linux people understand this: Windows users utilize software written only for Windows. My copies of Adobe Creative Suite, Maya, Dreamweaver, MS Office, Microsoft Money and other utilites cost me almost $4000. That's $4000 that pays my bills and makes me money. Will the Windows binaries run on OSX? No, so I'm not switching. Will they run on Linux natively? No, so I'm not switching.

      When software developers sell multi-platform licenses for each title, then we can switch. Until then, it's Windows or whatever OS you are locked into due to the expense of moving to another platform, which would require buying a full version instead of an upgrade. Why spend that kind of money to switch when the software/hardware combo you are using now will work just fine?

  3. People don't care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People don't care about Monad or new file systems - they want nice GUIs with RSS integrated - IE with tabs etc... Vista is everything the average user wants.

    As for hardware requirements - most people will get vista with their shiny new hardware from dell or whatever. It will meet the requirements and look great with lots of eye-candy.

    Linux doesn't just need to be better than Vista - it needs to be MUCH better to get an average user to switch.

  4. Dupe!! It's a DUPE! by Spackler · · Score: 5, Funny

    This story was posted in 1995, 1998, 2000 and 2003. It is a dupe. Nothing to see here.

  5. Finally! by Mensa+Babe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    XYZ Computing has an article hypothesizing that the arrival of Windows Vista may be a big opportunity for Linux to make headway on the desktop.

    A decade ago it was Windows 95 that was going to be a big opportunity for Linux to make headway on the desktop, then it was Windows 98, 2000, XP, the DRM in Media Player, Internet Explorer, the license of MS SQL Server, the flaws in ASP security model, the nonsense of .NET hysteria, the C#... Meanwhile, GNU/Linux is already on my desktop and I couldn't really care less what Micro$oft does. I just use it because it is the best tool for my job. Period.

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  6. I'm not sure why you would think that by ReformedExCon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Unless you mean to say that the lower new feature count will make it easier to clone those features into the Linux GUIs. Or maybe you mean that people who upgrade to new PCs will then have their older PCs available to load Linux on. I'm not sure how the next release of Windows will help Linux in the least.

    People buy Microsoft because that's what they expect when they buy a computer. Some people think they want more, so they buy a Mac. Other people are happy with Linux, and they don't even have to spend a dime to get the OS software.

    When Microsoft releases their next version, I don't think it will have the massive uptake that Windows 95 did, or even Windows 2000 did. Even Windows XP had a slower takeup than the real quantum leaps in Windows history (Win95, Win2K). People are just satisfied with what they've got.

    How are you going to convince satisfied people to run Linux? It doesn't really offer them anything that they don't already have or need. If it were that important to them, they would be running it already.

    So why would Windows Vista help Linux?

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  7. Almost negligible by trezor · · Score: 5, Informative

    Vista will implement DRM deep into the OS and when apps start "taking advantage" of that, you will notice that it's not negligible any more.

    My reason for staying away from Vosta, hardware requirements aside, is DRM and DRM only. Because there are a few neat features under the hood I'd really like to have. For instance the vector-graphics GPU-accelerated desktop.

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    1. Re:Almost negligible by jaiyen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Linux advocates - "No DRM in Linux!"

      Legally downloaded audio/video file disclaimer - "Needs DRM compatible PC"

      Windows Vista box sticker - "Fully DRM compatible!"

      To an average non-technical user who just wants their music and video files to play, isn't this going to make the DRM look like an additional feature that Windows has and Linux lacks? Sadly lacking DRM might end up turning people away from Linux rather than towards it :(

  8. Uses today's hardwre. Linux, not anytime soon. by ApoJooce · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is no absence of innovation or new features. Avalon, the new graphics subsystem, and the developer tools that will allow you to develop for it, have leapfrogged everything I have ever seen. While Linux will still be using the 2D capabilities of a graphics card (sucks!) Microsoft Vista will be using all that tremendous 3D technology already present in our machines to render your desktop. 3rd party apps will be using it too. Yes, at first it feels like it will need ebtter equipment, but when you finally get that equipment and your pathetic X-Window or other Linux windowing system looks ridiculously passé when compared to Windows Vista, you'll realize Microsoft is no longer trying to catch up to OS X, which is already a much more polished OS than any Linux flavor.

  9. TV Commercials? by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The majority of people out there still haven't even heard of Linux. The people who just use their computers for email and think that AOL is the internet. Have there ever even been any TV ads for any of the commercial linux distros? What the linux community needs to do is make a real ad campain. I realize it costs money, but with all the people out there that love linux with a furvor, there shouldn't be that much of a problem raising funds.

  10. Terrible article by Knome_fan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Am I the only one that thinks that article doesn't make too much sense?

    I fail to see how vista, even if it weren't very convincing, will help linux getting on the desktop. All a bad windows release will lead to in the short tearm is not many people buying Vist, but staying with their curren OS, which is some kind of Windows in most cases.

    And people who really care about monad not being included are people who would consider running linux anyway, but they only make a small percentage of the market.

    Further, I'm convinced that Linux will not make large inroads into the private desktop in the near future, not because Linux isn't good enough, but simply because Windows is much to entrenched in this market.

    Corporate and gouvernment desktops are an other story though and we'll see a lot of things happening there in the future, I'm sure.

  11. Re:How to tell if you are a linux fanatic. by hungrygrue · · Score: 5, Interesting

    33. Your server has not had to reboot in over a year.

    34. When you need to install a major piece of software, be it an office suite, a graphics tool, or a compiler, you do not have to drive to a store and shell out enormous amounts of money. Instead, you simply select the desired package from the package repository and it and its dependencies are installed automatically.

    35. You are able to read and write a vast array of file systems - not just a handful designed by a single company.

    36. You realise that those who still have Windows on their computer "because it came with it" probably have picture frames with pictures of model families who they don't know "because it came with the frame"

    37. You are tired of hearing Windows users bitch about viruses and spyware as if they had not choice but to be afflicted with them.