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2.6.13 Linux Kernel Released

LynuxFre@k writes "Linux Torvalds announced the release of the 2.6.13 Linux kernel. He noted that there was a major change to the x86 PCI code, and that while all bugs from the change were believed to be found during the release candidate phase, it's possible that some devices may have problems. From this release on, it is intended that major changes only be merged into the kernel within two weeks after a major release. The rest of the time will be spent fixing bugs, with the goal of both increasing overall stability and decreasing the amount of time between major releases. Download the latest Linux kernel from a kernel.org mirror."

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  1. How to tell if you are a linux fanatic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    1. You rejuvenate and dance when you hear a windows flaw exposed, but you conveniently ignore the thousands of security flaws exposed in linux.

    2. You yell loudly TROLL! at any person's post or at any person you see posting facts that you do not want to hear about your oh so cool linux.

    3. You know it's a classic case of penis envy, you don't have all the support, software and hardware available for linux and you have to let that anger out somewhere, but you don't have the brains to admit it.

    4. You hate windows, hate Microsoft, but race to emulate windows, have programs to run office from within linux, and spend a $300 on a Windows emulator, only Windows fools.

    5. You cannot admit that you don't have professional usage of Linux outside server markets.

    6. You cannot admit that most of the joe user out there when told that there is linux will respond, what is that?

    7. You cannot admit that there is no professional printing capabilities in linux.

    8. You cannot admit that you are a masochist (otherwise why would someone spend hours playing with scripts,
    and recompiling programs that are available for Windows?)

    9. You cannot admit that there is no professional desktop publishing done on Linux.

    10. You cannot admit that no one in their right mind would do professional video editing in Linux.

    11. You cannot admit that linux sucks when it comes for gaming/home entertainment or education.

    12. You have problems in understanding Windows, and you will blame your own incompetence on Microsoft.

    13. You have problems in pointing a clicking, but have no problems in wading through cryptic scripts written by lunatics.

    14. Nothing will get past that shit that fills your head, you will not admit to any facts.

    15. You can't admit that naming of linux components, packages, and others are weird and fits profiles of troubled teenagers. gentoo, lgx, rpm ....

    16. You feel angered because you were left out by microsoft's Media technologies, they support Mac, Sun sparc, but not linux.

    17. You feel inferior deep inside but unable to admit it, you don't have a database as easy and powerful as Access.

    18. You cannot tell that not a single office package outside Microsoft's is worth looking at or bothering with.

    19. You don't know that your CD recorder software sucks.

    20. You don't have DVD-RAM, DVD-R, DVD-RW support in your pathetic OS.

    21. While the rest of the world moves on, you're stuck in a stone age technology that needs third party software to boot into GUI.

    22. You act out of prejudice, you kill file domains and users of specific news readers while you ignore the bullshit that your fellow linux losers post.

    23. You don't know commercial support in Linux is almost non existent.

    24. You miss the fact that companies are leaving linux because of the chaos, and the cheap linux losers who are unwilling to pay and support hard work, Corel, gaming companies,...etc.

    25. You are unaware that linux has no terminal services (there is a lame one that no one uses), and commercial support for it is not happening.

    26. You are unaware that setting up servers on Windows takes couple of minutes while on linux, good luck playing with configuration scripts.

    27. You cannot admit that support for USB on linux is laughable at best.

    28. You think that Linux is better because slashdot told you so.

    29. You spend countless hours flaming people because they post their opinions about your oh so cool linux and your attitude, instead of researching things for yourself and understanding fact in order not to look this stupid.

    30. You think that anyone who uses linux has a clue.

    31. You think that linux cannot crash.

    32. You think that everyone is interested in your conspiracy theories about Microsoft (or should i say M$ in order for you, teenagers to understand?), and how they destroyed linux, ...etc.

    33. You keep ignoring the fact that thousands of linux servers get hacked every year, but it takes one Windows server hacked to get you and your fellow linux idiots to dance and celebrate.

  2. Why is Linux so great? Please share your reasons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Linux is *not* user friendly, and until it is linux will stay with >1% marketshare.

    Take installation. Linux zealots are now saying "oh installing is so easy, just do apt-get install package or emerge package": Yes, because typing in "apt-get" or "emerge" makes so much more sense to new users than double-clicking an icon that says "setup".

    Linux zealots are far too forgiving when judging the difficultly of Linux configuration issues and far too harsh when judging the difficulty of Windows configuration issues. Example comments:

    User: "How do I get Quake 3 to run in Linux?"
    Zealot: "Oh that's easy! If you have Redhat, you have to download quake_3_rh_8_i686_010203_glibc.bin, then do chmod +x on the file. Then you have to su to root, make sure you type export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 but ONLY if you have that latest libc6 installed. If you don't, don't set that environment variable or the installer will dump core. Before you run the installer, make sure you have the GL drivers for X installed. Get them at [some obscure web address], chmod +x the binary, then run it, but make sure you have at least 10MB free in /tmp or the installer will dump core. After the installer is done, edit /etc/X11/XF86Config and add a section called "GL" and put "driver nv" in it. Make sure you have the latest version of X and Linux kernel 2.6 or else X will segfault when you start. OK, run the Quake 3 installer and make sure you set the proper group and setuid permissions on quake3.bin. If you want sound, look here [link to another obscure web site], which is a short HOWTO on how to get sound in Quake 3. That's all there is to it!"

    User: "How do I get Quake 3 to run in Windows?"
    Zealot: "Oh God, I had to install Quake 3 in Windoze for some lamer friend of mine! God, what a fucking mess! I put in the CD and it took about 3 minutes to copy everything, and then I had to reboot the fucking computer! Jesus Christ! What a retarded operating system!"

    So, I guess the point I'm trying to make is that what seems easy and natural to Linux geeks is definitely not what regular people consider easy and natural. Hence, the preference towards Windows.

  3. Real world vs. fanboy fantasies by Mike+Bourna · · Score: -1, Troll
    It is absurd to think if Thorwaldes after 19 years of Linux development still hasn't got something fundamental as PCI to work properly, that he will have gotten it right this time.

    I am what most people would consider a highly trained technical professional. Unlike most people who spout off at this site, I have the certificates to prove this, and furthermore they're issued by the biggest software company in existence.

    I know how to tell facts from marketing fluff. Now, here are the facts as they're found by SEVERAL INDEPENDENT RESEARCH INSTITUTES:

    Expenses for file-server workloads under Windows, compared to LinuxOS:
    • Staffing expenses were 33.5% better.
    • Training costs were 32.3% better.


    They compared Microsofts IIS to the Linux 7.0 webserver. For Windows, the cost was only:
    • $40.25 per megabit of throughput per second.
    • $1.79 per peak request per second.


    Application development and support costs for Windows compared to an opensores solution like J2EE:
    • 28.2% less for large enterprises.
    • 25.0% less for medium organizations.


    A full Windows installation, compared to installing Linux, on an Enterprise Server boxen:
    • Is nearly three hours faster.
    • Requires 77% fewer steps.


    Compared to the best known opensores webserver "Red Hat", Microsoft IIS:
    • Has 276% better peak performance for static transactions.
    • Has 63% better peak performance for dynamic content.


    These are hard numbers and 100% FACTS! There are several more where these came from.

    Who do you think we professionals trust more?
    Reliable companies with tried and tested products, or that bedroom coder Thorwaldes who publicly admits that he is in fact A HACKER???

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  4. How about a stable ABI? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    I'm a fairly technical user, not a tech god by any stretch of the imagination, but I know my way around. I know how to forward ports on my router, I do all my own XVID rips from Vdub, I can install most Linux distros without a problem, and I'm damned proficient at packages like Photoshop and Illustrator. In addition, I'm a gamer from back in the DOS days, so concepts like editing text files (config.sys, autoexec.bat, etc) don't necessarily scare me.

    That said, as much as I like the concept of Linux, I simply will not try it any longer until I hear that a number of problems have been solved.

    A) Having to recompile kernels/worrying that apps will be broken by upgrading that kernel. For that matter, I don't want to have to compile anything, ever. Just to make this clear, never. Come up with either something akin to Windows where I click on a standard installer, or make it like Mac where I just drag and drop the folder.

    B) Any time I'm forced to drop to a command line, you as a developer have failed. Back 10 years ago, this may have been acceptable. In this day and age, it isn't. Furthermore, while once in a blue moon I may change a text file in Windows, in Linux it's a constant occurence. Again, you have failed.

    C) MAN pages do not cut it. Neither does a message board where half the time I'll be called a clueless n00b, 25% of the time I'll be told to use a different distro, and the other 25% of the time I'll get genuinely helpful people giving me contradictory answers. If I'm expected to jump to an alien computing environment you'd best make sure your documentation is up to snuff. Linux sucks in this regard.

    I'm an advanced user who's in favor of open source, but the bizarre, arcane, and technical details I have to jump through to achieve the same things that are comparatively simple in Mac or Windows may Linux a deal breaker. You will never, ever, become successful on the desktop until idiocy like this is exorcised from the OS.

  5. Windows? by j.bellone · · Score: -1, Troll

    Does it run Windows?

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  6. Re:kernel bug fixes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    um...... well.. uhhhhh.. u no.. tis liek..
    liek businez n stuf k? if dey wud keep changin stuf liek ev ry day it wud liek.. not work.. k? n it's not profesionel

    tiem iz $$$

    peas out

  7. THE NEWEST FEATURE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    I really hope it contains DRM, I hear that's the greatest new thing. Without it, you can't play mp3s and movies.

  8. Still doesn't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    It's been a while since I tried the Linux. I thought that maybe things had matured a little and it would work now. I downloaded it double-clicked on the icon, but nothing happened (I just got an error message, same as before). This Linux thing still has a long way to go if people are going to be able to use it. Do they test this at all? If they just downloaded it, it would be obvious that it doesn't work.

  9. MOD -1 ASTROTURFING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    Let's get this straight, you run linux on multiple servers using adaptec SCSI cards, you enable disk quotas and connection tracking and you're a big fan? I've had problems with adaptec drivers that actually delayed deployment of several new servers the other year, that was adaptecs fault and as a result they are now on our vendor blacklist. I've never had any problems with quotas and would never dream of using iptables when better solutions exist. Your problems Sound more like microsofts linux FUD^w lab analysis than real world examples to me, but I'm not a fan, I'm just a sys-admin who uses the best tools for the job.
    Linus should freeze the 2.6 kernel series against *any* new features at all, for a period of about a year.

    So when is Longhorn due again?

  10. Re:2.6 a year and a half old but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    but but but linux can't crash!! it's not made by micro$oft! i am so confused! please explain!

  11. linux sux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    linux sux linux sux linux sux