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Libraries Use DRM to Expire Audiobooks

Valleye writes "CNN is reporting that some US libraries are using Microsoft Media DRM to automatically 'return' audiobooks checked out of their catalog. A patron with a valid library card visits a library Web site to borrow a title for, say, three weeks. When the audiobook is due, the patron must renew it or find it automatically "returned" in a virtual sense: The file still sits on the patron's computer, but encryption makes it unplayable beyond the borrowing period."

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  1. Re:Library Checkout System Outdated? by MaineCoon · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is a licensed work, with a finite number of licenses.

    This is similiar to group licensing schemes, where software is licensed for a number of seats at a company but licensing is handled by a server. A limited number of users can use the software at any time. If someone needs to use it and the licenses are used up, someone else must stop using it for the time being (or more licenses must be purchased).

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  2. Re:Clearly Nessisary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    'Necessary'.

  3. Re:But... by cronotk · · Score: 3, Informative

    Dunno how the laws handle it where you live, but in Germany it's absolutely legal to make copies this way (as long as you do NOT give it to others).
    We have a right to make a private copy as long as we do not BREAK a copy-protection.

    Lucky us :)

  4. Re:Not cracked yet? by MosesJones · · Score: 2, Informative

    Pure software methods always get cracked

    Always can theoretically get cracked. This doesn't mean that they always HAVE been cracked.

    With DRM, the guy gets to take the "sign" home for a few weeks at a time, until he can manage to crack it -- and once he does, you don't have any clue that he's done it.

    Which is why we should expect two tier DRM to become a standard pretty soon, first level to "protect", second level to "inform", so sure you can crack the protection, but it then sends a message to inform. Of course some people will be able to detect this, but how many? Next time you use MS Media Player and it "connects to server" how can you be sure its not informing MS of violations?

    And before anyone bleats about "civil rights", this is the same as those car trackers that get activated when a car is stolen. If you don't steal something then it doesn't inform, if you break the seal it then informs.

    People who see digital audio as a free lunch are the people ensuring that the goverment restricts liberties for everyone.

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  5. Re:Clearly Nessisary by kahei · · Score: 4, Informative

    The point here is that there is only a license for 1 person to read it at once -- and it is the library's responsibility to enforce that, otherwise they would be unlawfully distributing the work.

    This has been a public service announcement.

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  6. Re:Valid use for DRM by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Informative

    Shock! Ya know Joe Schmoe probably seeks out and downloads more software than any of us tech geniuses because he doesn't know the dangers of running arbitary software on his computer and/or trusts his antispyware apps to keep him safe.

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  7. Re:DRM by DeafByBeheading · · Score: 2, Informative

    "One question though: Does it run on linux?"

    Not according to the article. It's WMA, and also won't run on iPods. Although this seems to be done through the library essentially outsourcing to another company, so perhaps some Linux-friendly companies will get into this...

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  8. Re:DRM by Digital+Pizza · · Score: 2, Informative

    Can't MPlayer play WMA files? I swear I remember using it to do that, although I doubt it could get around the DRM anyway. Might be worth a shot, though.

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  9. Re:Not cracked yet? by Vo0k · · Score: 2, Informative

    Audio books, unlike great most of electronic media, suffer very little quality loss from analog ripping. Just grab the audio stream and re-encode it as MP3. Sure you lose some audio quality, but unlike in music, in case of books it doesn't matter all that much at all - the voice may sound different, there may be a little more noise, but the content will be still just as understandable.

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  10. MPlayer & WMA by jurt1235 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Mplayer does play WMA as far as I know, so putting the dll in the right place could do the trick. It is not very userfriendly though.

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    1. Re:MPlayer & WMA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Only wmas without DRM... also its illegal to use that DLL without a license for Windows.

      So Linux users a screwed.

  11. Library DRM goes against ALA and UNESCO by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 2, Informative
    I think this is a perfectly valid use for DRM. It allows libraries to offer digital content, without screwing over the copyright holder. It's not like libraries are able to photocopy entire books and lend them out.
    Except that it locks library patrons into MS' DRM schemes. MS has been found guilty (even after appeal) of illegally abusing its desktop monopoly to gain entrance to new markets and wipe out the competition. This has been in the courts in both the US and the EU. Libraries should not be helping the criminal element.

    Libraries should not go anywhere near MS products, especially its DRM. The Unesco manifest for public libraries contain a number of points including these four:

    • well informed public
    • sustainable development
    • freedom
    • democratic values
    Here's how they tie in:

    Well-informed public: Money spend on acquiring, maintaining or merely operating ICT tools is money not spent on actual information resources or patron service. In addition to acquisition, maintenance, operating, and licensing costs (or lack there of) for ICT, the frequency with which these costs occur is as important as the magnitude.

    DRM is simply too tied to a specific vendor / platform / product to be anything other than a cost sink. The data is not in the control of the library because the data format and the codecs needed use the DRM'd data are not. To make matters worse, the actual life cycle of the data formats and codecs is out of the hands of the library, so even if they retain the DRM'd data, it still can expire through lack of tools. And you can't make your own tools either, the EUCD/DMCA make that a serious crime even if the DRM is as simple as ROT-13.

    Sustainable development: Historically, Microsoft has used new formats and protocols to drive new sales of software which in turn have driven sales of new hardware. Losing control of the data means that libraries then have no say in when or how to replace hardware or software. That causes problems locally, by hitting the library budget. That causes problems globally by hitting the environment with the discarded carcasses of computers, which are full of poisonous, non-biodegradable materials, including heavy metals. These machines are said to take as much resources as the now infamous SUV to produce.

    Simply put, given uniform costs over the years (for the sake of argument), a five year replacement cycle is 40% less load/cost than a three year cycle. A six year replacement cycle is 50% cheaper than a three year cycle. In comparison to a two year cycle, which the vendors are trying to achieve, five and six year cycles are 60% and 67% cheaper.

    Freedom: What part about not-Free (as in Freedom) don't you understand? Interoperability is the basis for freedom in this context. Without adherence to standards, there can be no interoperability. Therefore, vendors that fail to follow standards also causes similar problems and vendors that *chronically* introduce broken implementations of standards, whether as part of an "embrace, extend, extinguish" strategy or not, should also be avoided. Vendors that force proprietary protocols, formats and codecs should likewise be avoided for similar reasons. Specifically, the vendor in question, Microsoft, seems to have had difficulty following standards, particularly if the problems interfere with competing products. Examples include ODBC, Kerberos, and even TCP/IP and HTTP, to name only a few.

    Democratic values: Vendors that chronically engage in illegal and unethical behavior are probably not likely to work towards support of democratic values either through daily operation in society or through the capabilities of their products. So far, MS has proven to be one of the worst in the 20th and 21st centuries.

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  12. Some audio cards already allow it. by WidescreenFreak · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most sound cards are full-duplex and allow the input to be the mixer or "as you hear it". So, they effectively already have a loopback built into them. I've done this before in Windows.

    - Set the input to be the mixer or the "as you hear it" function
    - Start the Sound Recorder (or other sound editing program)
    - Open the audio file in another tool
    - Start recording
    - Start playing
    - Done

    Even then, how many of us have multiple computers? Here is a simple and effective DRM disabler:
    Line out (PC 1) --> Line in (PC 2)

    That's the thing that fervent, DRM supports just don't seem to understand. If you can hear it, you can record it.

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  13. Try READING the article by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2, Informative
    I see you did not read the article, or even the slashdot article. Nor do you make much sense in your reasoning.
    • The DRM does not erase the file, it simply stops decrypting the file.
    • The patron can renew his checkout of the audiobook.
    • The patron downloaded the audiobook over the internet. Why shouldn't he have to renew it over the internet?
    • As the DRM keeps the files from being decrypted after it is supposed to be returned, there are no late fees.
    • The libraries buy the audiobook download service from companies who manage all details.
    • Of these companies some only allow a certain total number of downloads, others allow unlimited total downloads but limit the number of accessible copies (the number checked out).
    • If the number of copies being used >= the total number allowed then you don't get to download a copy until a copy is checked in (the DRM expires and the file can no longer be decrypted)
    • The positives of downloadable audio books are mentioned in the article.
    • Much of what you say about what libraries should be doing is exactly what they are doing. They are just doing it within the confines of the law and the wishes of the copyright holders.
    • What you can or can not do with something you purchase is totally irrelevant to this discussion because you aren't buying the anything in this case. You are borrowing from a library by the largesse of the copyright holder.
    • As libraries generally depend upon good with with writers and publishers, making demands may be a bad idea.
    • Even a good library will not have everything one may want. And, if something is extremely popular, like The Da Vinci Code, you may have quite a wait for the book.

    And to refute some of your points:
    • The copyright holder is the one who decides who can make copies, how many copies are made, and how they are distributed.
    • The copyright holder gets to decide if a DRM "period" is bogus, not the library, and not you.
    • A library is only able to lend books because the copyright holder allows them to do so. Libraries often pay a premium for the priviledge. This is why a library often charges more than the face value for a book when it is lost.
    • The point of a library is to provide access, not copies. They are called lending libraries for a reason.
    • Speaking of which, libraries don't have to let the items leave the premises.

    In the end, what you have is a copyright holder sacrificing some revenue so an institution may have the priviledge to provide information to the public, i.e. you. It would be rude and unethical to go against the copyright holders wishes.
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  14. uhh... by XO · · Score: 2, Informative

    See, everyone here is completely missing the point. Not just a little off, but TOTALLY MISSING. (at least in the first 40 comments, that I read before I clicked reply)

      Going to the library and borrowing a book that belongs to the library does not transfer you ownership of that book. This is why they call it BORROW. That doesn't change if it's a book on cassette, or a book on CD, or a book on any other kind of media.

      Unless you (collective) can suggest a better alternative than "per unit ownership", which I highly doubt you (collective) will be able to do, that's the way it is going to work. You don't go to a library to permanently take their book. And it's not the scarcity of it that makes it need to be returned. They own one, they can loan one. The library could make a zillion copies on their copier, but they DON'T because they've only paid for the number that are in the library. And what do you pay to get a book from your local library? or a magazine? or a CD? or whatever?

      Everywhere I've been the use of the library was free for city residents, and a once a year minimal charge for non-city residents. In fact, where I'm at now, the entire resources of the library are free, including internet access (though they do give you a fifteen minute time limit if there are other people waiting to use the machines). The only thing I've had to pay for there is paper for the copier/printer.

      So, who's got a better idea for how to sell a book, a CD, a movie, a whatever, than on a per-unit basis?

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  15. Obligatory link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    RMS' essay, The Right to Read. What was dismissed as a paranoid rant years ago is coming true before our eyes.

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  16. My Library Does This by randomErr · · Score: 2, Informative

    My local library is a part of a group that uses DRM books. You login to the system, download an application that interrupts a custom XML stream. The XML file then has key and paths for downloading the media files. Then it downloads the file and boom, you have a book (audio or textual) for three weeks of use with an option of burning it to CD.

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  17. Gre by egriebel · · Score: 2, Informative
    From TFA, libraries pay a fee ($5k) and get a set number of downloads, which if exceeded require more payment.

    This is the crux of the DRM problem: YOU DO NOT OWN ANYTHING!!! These libraries will be paying $5k in perpetuity if they want to continue to provide these books.

    It's like Napster2, if you decide to stop paying, you lose all of your music. If they raise their fees, you pay. If they change license terms, you pay. If they go out of business, you pay (someone else).

    Sounds like someone's going to be getting a raise, because this is pure genius on the part of NetLibrary and OverDrive.

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  18. Re:Library Checkout System Outdated? by swillden · · Score: 4, Informative

    As such, it's reasonable to assume that no one in the supply chain for the creation of the work itself is going to purposefully take a pay cut just to give people a digital copy of the work.

    Consider another point of view, from author Eric Flint, who is the "First Librarian" of the Baen Free Library. The whole essay I linked to is interesting, but here's the conclusion:

    The reason I'm not worried about the future is because of another simple truth. One which is even simpler, in fact -- and yet seems to get constantly overlooked in the ruckus over online piracy and what (if anything) to do about it. To wit:
    Nobody has yet come up with any technology -- nor is it on the horizon -- which could possibly replace authors as the producers of fiction. Nor has anyone suggested that there is any likelihood of the market for that product drying up.
    The only issue, therefore, is simply the means by which authors get paid for their work.
    [...]
    The future can't be foretold. But, whatever happens, so long as writers are essential to the process of producing fiction -- along with editors, publishers, proofreaders (if you think a computer can proofread, you're nuts) and all the other people whose work is needed for it -- they will get paid. Because they have, as a class if not as individuals, a monopoly on the product. Far easier to figure out new ways of generating income -- as we hope to do with the Baen Free Library -- than to tie ourselves and society as a whole into knots. Which are likely to be Gordian Knots, to boot.

    Flint hit it right on the head, IMO. There is no reason that authors should be guaranteed their current level of income. But neither is there any reason for authors to get worried that their profession will go away. Freely redistributable digital media will change the model, and there will be some pain during the transition, but as long as people want to read, and as long as authors need to eat, there will be a way for people to get paid for writing.

    You probably think I'm missing your point, which is that authors won't *choose* to take a pay cut just to provide us with digital media. I didn't miss it. But the fact is that there is demand for digital media, so some enterprising authors and publishers will begin to take advantage of it. Baen's Webscriptions model is a good example; it's both highly profitable and DRM-free. It won't work for every kind of creative work, and it may not work, as is, forever, but it's exactly the kind of creative thinking we need... people figuring out how to adapt to the new realities, rather than keep churning out the buggy whips.

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  19. Re:Linux support by BillyBlaze · · Score: 2, Informative

    DRM may not exclude any particular piece of hardware implicitly, but because it does ultimately depend on security by obscurity, it does exclude an entirely open-soure stack. That might become possible with hardware support, but then you've just traded obfuscated software for obfuscated hardware.

  20. Re:DRM by IpalindromeI · · Score: 2, Informative

    Project Gutenberg has audio books for download in MP3 format. Currently only 31 are read by a human, but they do have over 350 that sound like they were read by a Speak & Spell.

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  21. Doctrine of First Sale still exists, despite M$ by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 2, Informative
    That right still exists. It's called Doctrine of First Sale. However, to hear M$ and the MPAA/RIAA/DIsney and all those others in that group go on about it you'd think that First Sale and many other established rules of commerce don't apply to computers. :
    • First Sale - it's yours
    • Freedom of Information - strongest in Finland / Sweden, weakest in UK/France
    • Fair Use - the purpose of copyright is to promote science and the useful arts
    • Common Carriage - if you carry goods or traffic, it has to be available to all
    The latter is relevant, since computers are used for communication. That's not just VOIP, but also written communication.

    Digital Restrictions Management technologies threaten to remove all of those above, especially if people just sit back and let monopolies or cartels roll over the market.

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