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King Kong vs. Movie Pirates

Caoz writes "The New York Times is running an interesting article about movie piracy with Peter Jackson providing some comments. There a couple of comments that I thought were surprising. Like an executive admitting that file sharers are not the biggest threat to Hollywood. From the article: 'There is a very dark, black cloud in this game. It's not in the hands of kids who live next door to you; it's organized groups and organized crime.' Why are they suing bitorrent users then?"

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  1. Bitorrent User Group by fembots · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not in the hands of kids who live next door to you; it's organized groups and organized crime." Why are they suing bitorrent users then?"

    Haven't you realized this very dark and cloudy organized group they're referring to is the Bitorrent User Group (BUG)?

    I do have another question though - Why don't consumers buying/wearing fake branded products get arrested?

    A Nike t-shirt is probably as easy and cheap to copy and produce as a DVD movie. Imagine law enforcement officers roaming the streets and ripping counterfeited t-shirts off materialistic girls.

    1. Re:Bitorrent User Group by Vorondil28 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why don't consumers buying/wearing fake branded products get arrested?

      Simple, Nike hasn't pushed for it, but the recording/movie industry has. However, I'd be nice if they did.

      I, for one, would like to see law enforcement officers ripping counterfeited t-shirts off of materialistic girls.

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    2. Re:Bitorrent User Group by op12 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, that'll go over well:

      "T-shirt inspector!"
      *slap*
      "No, really! I am a t-shirt inspector!"

    3. Re:Bitorrent User Group by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Haven't you realized this very dark and cloudy organized group they're referring to is the Bitorrent User Group (BUG)?
      Probably not what they're referring to. But in any case: if you stop the leak at the studio, you've stopped one copy. If you bring down BitTorrent, you've stopped the remaining 9,999,999 copies. That's why BitTorrent gets the attention.
      I do have another question though - Why don't consumers buying/wearing fake branded products get arrested?
      Same principle. Do you pick them off one by one, or go for the hive? In addition it's not against the law to get ripped off, which a consumer can always claim.
      A Nike t-shirt is probably as easy and cheap to copy and produce as a DVD movie.
      Having done both screen printing and DVD burning, I heartily disagree. A six-station screen printing machine will set you back about USD $8,000, before buying ink and screens and blank shirts and a dryer and a ventilated place to do it all. DVD-R's are a much easier product to make.
    4. Re:Bitorrent User Group by nickco3 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I can go to the local flea market, and get a nice bootleg video with excelent cover quality that is reasonably water proof, silk screened discs, and something that actually looks like the genuine artical for $5.00. And as a bonus... something that's printed on a real dvd-rom and not one of those funky DVD-Rs that while are useful don't always play well in all players.

      Not only that, if I buy my kids a fleamarket DVD it won't have any unskippable bits, like the copyright warning or 8 minutes of trailers or adverts for Disneyworld. From my point of view the fleamarket DVDs area a superior product at a cheaper price.

      Maybe this is what Hollywood should be addressing instead of chasing BitTorrent users.

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    5. Re:Bitorrent User Group by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 5, Informative

      Bloody right. I bought Shrek 2 and returned it because each time I watched it, I had to sit through a 20 second copyright warning (fair enough) but then a 4 minute advert for Madagascar. This bullshit completely spoiled the experience of watching Shrek so I just returned it to the store.

      I accept the unskippable copyright messages (even when they have to show it in 8 different languages) but to subject a paying cusotmer to such a long advert is taking the piss. At least they could do what most companies do and just add the advert as a 'special feature'.

      Well done Universal Studios.

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  2. Why bittorrent users??? by mobiux · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because bittorrent users won't find you and pop a cap in your ass like organized crime sydicates tend to do.

  3. BT Users by TheStupidOne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why are they after BT users more than the crime syndicates? Because BT users are a far more high-profile target. And BT users don't have the money or clout to get themselves out of trouble. When a BT user is charged, they usually fall on their knees begging for a settlement. When (more like if) the crime syndicates are charged, money talks and suddenly the case "disappears".

    It's like asking a bully why he picks on the little guys. He's afraid of messing with kids his own size.

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    1. Re:BT Users by shark72 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I imagine that if I only got my news via /., I'd be under the assumption that movie studios, law enforcement, et. al. target individual sharers exclusively and don't go after the large-scale distributors. Slashdot tends to cover the stories of suing file traders with much more regularity than they cover stories of shutting down DVD factories in China (presumably because Slashdot readers have more empathy for the former), so your confusion is understandable.

      The reality is that law enforcement and copyright holders, just like you and me, can indeed walk and chew gum at the same time.

      This false assumption is common in all walks of life. If you've ever wondered out loud why the cops aren't out busting the drug dealers and drug smugglers, etc. instead of writing you that ticket for failing to come to a complete stop, the answer is that law enforcement is indeed busting drug dealers and gun smugglers. They are fully capable of doing this, despite the fact that the officer happens to be writing you a ticket at that precise moment.

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  4. movie revenue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't like this article. It claims that box office releases are "unprofitable, expensive form of marketing".
    The truth is that hollywood has made an art of hiding profits ever since they started signing profit sharing agreements with actors and directors. Sure, a crappy movie isn't going to make a good ROI. But the movie industry generally makes out quite well.

  5. Because by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Why are they suing bitorrent users then?
    Because movie piracy is still illegal?

    Five years ago when Napster was getting sued, everyone on Slashdot--editors included--rallied behind the idea that they should lay off the companies providing the apps and going after the individual infringers, because that was fair and logical. I think nobody expected they'd actually do that. And now they are, and so the rallying cry has changed.
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  6. Bruce Sterling had a great idea in his novel by multiplexo · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Distraction where the Chinese bankrupt the US economy by making all of America's IP, movies, songs, TV shows, etc, freely available on their networks for everyone to download. The resulting loss of revenue for the media conglomerates wipes them all out and causes the US economy to tank. You have to wonder how effective this could be if some government or NGO (crime syndicates qualify as NGOs) actually decided to do this to the US.

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    1. Re:Bruce Sterling had a great idea in his novel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, according to the US economic census the total revenue of all sorts of entertainment and recreation was about $142 billion. That includes live performing arts, bowling alleys, and a lot of other stuff you can't put on a website for download.

      The total economy was over $18 trillion in 2002, so arts and entertainment represent about 0.7% of the total US economy in this census. I'd say the effectiveness of the tactic would be about nil.

      The only smaller categories in the census were management companies (mutual funds and the like) and educational services (Princeton SAT prep, commercial trade schools like DeVry, corporate training outfits). Categories taking in over a trillion dollars include construction, manufacturing, wholesale trade, retail trade, finanace & insurance, and health care & social assistence. Hollywood is barely on the financial radar.

  7. Re:From Jackson's own mouth by vga_init · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The point is that a lot of you on here with your anarchistic view of media and all your moaning about DRM is motivated not buy a love of art, but a love of getting something for nothing. I am not an musician myself, but I consider myself a huge fan music. I have yet to read any artist's opinion on slashdot (and I don't count all you wankers who think that your guitar wankery hobby puts you in the ranks of an actual musician) - Diversity of thought is not a strong suite of slashdot - But I think you'll find quite a few real full time artists that don't want their work stolen - and they want to be compensated for their work.

    I am a musician. I play an instrument, and I take great enjoyment in my creations; I love to share them with others. I take pride in my hobby, and it's very disrespectful for you to call it "wankery." Yes, I'm an actual musician. Nobody pays me, but that doesn't mean I'm not a real musician. Look up the word in a dictionary, you insensitive clod.

    I am deeply and personally motivated to make music. Furthermore, I don't believe in demanding money. Sure, I will accept money sometimes or even try to get it if I feel like I can, but that's not the point. I'd rather share with everyone and not take away anyone's freedom. Their freedom to play and enjoy my music if they like it--their freedom to share it with their friends and family--their freedom to change it if they think they can make it better.

    Music is not proprietary; you don't own it. You do it because it makes you feel good and it makes others feel good. When you give something to them, they'll surely give back, but that doesn't necessarily have to come down to a bottom line. You can't measure humanity in dollars.

    I'm sick and tired of money-sucking suits weaseling their way through our legal system and culture, making art into something I wish it weren't--profitable. I'm tired of capitalist entities invading our privacy and stamping on our freedom to manage our data and systems in a way that seems right to us. I'm tired of yuppies like you trying to say that you know what's best for me and my vocation.

    I don't own your computer, the electricity you paid to run it, the data you have stored on it, or any of the equipment or services you use to modify or transmit that data. I DON'T own the CD I sold you or the data that's on it. I DON'T own any of the ideas, concepts, or expressions that may arise from the data.

    I love the art more than you do. You didn't spend hours on an instrument every day for years just because you loved the beautiful sounds you could make. You don't have the dream of making music, or the fulfillment of making that dream a reality. You don't like music enough to do that. You haven't put in the time and effort that I have, and until you do, you're going to have a difficult time of convincing me that you're entitled to that little opinion of yours.

  8. Re:The real reason? by cool_number_9 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One is to go after the uploaders. Make big press with saying that "even though this 14 year old girl makes straight A's..we still took her down because what she was doing was illegal".

    Next thing... some journalist will find out that a son or daughter of a high-profile politician (mayor, congressman, senator) has been downloading all the latest Britney Spears or 50 Cent hits. This will result in court-case with lotsa lawyers and media. Let's see who's going win... the ??AA and their lawyers or the senator and his political power.

    Would be interesting, wouldn't it?