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Diamond Nanotubes Created

raxxy writes to tell us that researchers at the U.S. Department of Energy's Argonne Nation Laboratory have taken the next step in nano development. Combining the process for 'growing' diamonds and the latest in carbon nanotubes has given birth to a diamond-nanotube composite. From the article: "Diamond has its drawbacks, however. Diamond is a brittle material and is normally not electrically conducting. Nanotubes, on the other hand, are incredibly strong and are also great electrical conductors, but harnessing these attributes into real materials has proved elusive. By integrating these two novel forms of carbon together at the nanoscale a new material is produced that combines the material properties of both diamond and nanotubes."

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  1. You knew it was coming... by Poromenos1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can this be used in the space elevator? Tensile pressure and all?

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    1. Re:You knew it was coming... by PsychicX · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just to give some background on what this is all about, here's an article on their predecessors, carbon nanotubes. Remember diamond is just a carbon matrix in a particular arrangement. Carbon nanotubes form sp2 bonds; presumably these diamond nanotubes form sp3 bonds, although it's not clear to me how you'd create a tube with that geometry.

  2. How can you make 20 years salary last forever... by inkdesign · · Score: 2, Funny

    With a diamond-nanotube composite ring.

  3. dupe, or perhaps not? by eobanb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This seems very similar to this article from just a few days ago, yet I don't think they're the same thing. I'd be interested in seeing a direct comparison of the nanorods and the diamond nanotubes.

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    1. Re:dupe, or perhaps not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      When a nanorod and a nanotube love each other very much....

  4. Wow!! by ki4iib · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dude! Diamonds AND nanotubes!!! That's like, pirates AND ninjas!!!!!

  5. Thus, we result in... by Trip+Ericson · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dinotubes.

    Thank you, I'll be here all next week.

  6. What better way to spend 99999months salary? by Thedeviluno · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is a nano diamond ring, you cant see it but will you marry me?

    1. Re:What better way to spend 99999months salary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Of course, honey! It's not the size of the boat, it's the motion with the lotion! I mean, in the ocaen! Oh, wait, you meant the stone in the ring.

  7. From TFA by woah · · Score: 2, Informative
    ...but harnessing these attributes into real materials has proved elusive.

    not so elusive it would seem.

  8. Re:Tubes by ectizen · · Score: 5, Funny
    with modern technology that could be solved, either by altering the rotation of the Earth or the orbit of the Moon


    I am intrigued by your notions of "modern technology" and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
  9. I'm unimpressed. by MAdMaxOr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Congratulations. You can do vapor deposition of diamonds, and you can do vapor deposition of carbon nanotubes. So can everyone else. You can do them both at the same time? Interesting. Too bad you can't control the process beyond the ratio of nanotube to diamond.

    What about average tube length? Alignment? Bonding with the diamond? Anything beyond what you'd get if you mixed extremely fine diamond powder and nanotube powder, mixed and compressed? Guess not.

    However "Ultrananocrystalline(tm)" sure sounds cool. Maybe the innovation is in the buzzword.

    IHABSCP (I have a B.S. Computational Physics)

    1. Re:I'm unimpressed. by sld126 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Step one. See if you can do it.
      Step two. See if you can control it.

      Each step is significant. Computational Physics isn't quite like REAL physics, is it? It's easier to do something on a computer than in real life.

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  10. Re:You knew it was coming... (DUPE!) by oliverthered · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well if this is the same material that was reported about a week ago everywhere else (and probably /.) it's not strong enough for the space elevator (Aggregated diamond nanorods have a modulus of 491 gigapascals (GPa), compared with 442 GPa for conventional diamond.)

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  11. Re:nano this, nano that, but no REAL nano products by MAdMaxOr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I happen to love how chemistry has been rebranded as nanotechnology. My favorite example is stain-resistant Dockers.

  12. Re:How can you make 20 years salary last forever.. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Funny


    Maybe she'll settle for a tubular zirconia.

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  13. ULTRANANOCRYSTALLINE!!! by fossa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ok, seriously, who thought up the name "ultrananocrystalline" ?

    This article is a bit confusing. First, of course, diamond is carbon. Solid carbon exists in two forms: diamond and graphite. The carbon bonds in the diamond structure are tetragonal (I think, been a while since chemistry), each carbon being bonded to four others. In the graphite structure, each carbon is bonded to three other co-planar carbons (trigonal planar?). I believe pi bonds form above and below the plane, adding some stability.

    With the graphite form, all you can get is planes, tubes, or balls. Graphite is slippery because the intraplanar bonds are strong but the interplanar bonds are weak. The intraplanar grahpite bonds are stronger than the diamond bonds in fact, which is why nanotubes are so strong. With the diamond form, you can only get solid crystalline structures.

    The headline is wrong (no surpirse). These are not "diamond nanotubes", but some sort of composite of (presumably) "ultranano" diamond particles and carbon nanotubes. The article doesn't go into much detail, and I don't care to delve any deeper at this point.

  14. Re:Neal Stephenson by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't wait for the diamond to lose it's monatary value.

    Actually, the best way for diamomd to lose its value is to convince enough people there is no significant difference between a manufactured and a natural diamond. The value of a natural diamond is based on how few flaws there are (fewer->more value). Yet, the odd thing is, how you tell a manufactured diamond from a natural one is the manufactured ones often don't have flaws.

  15. Re:nano this, nano that, but no REAL nano products by cnettel · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Still no cure for cancer from nanotechnology is kind of saying "still no intelligent machines" about computers in the 1960s. And, yeah, we still have no intelligent machines in any relevant sense 40 years later. That doesn't mean that computer technology "hasn't delivered". If you are only happy when you go up in the space elevator and get your cancer cured by nanites during the 15 minutes it will take you to reach LEO, you are sure to be disappointed.

    Think of any applications tagged with a "nano" word in its marketing right now as about as what a transistor radio was in the 1950s. It's good pieces of technology, it's technical advances, but it's not that revolutionary. We might not reach any really revolutionary stage during our lifetimes, but I would say it's far more likely that we actually manage to fullfil one or two of the farfetched dreams, and a lot of the more mundane ones.

  16. Heirarchy of Modifiers by fossa · · Score: 3, Funny

    (Off topic reply to myself...)

    Speaking of "Ultranano", I think we need some sort of official ranking of these types of modifiers. Based on my experience in a retail store stocking hair gel, I've come up with the following heirarchy (as applied to hair gel hold strength):

    1. Ultimate Extreme
    2. Mega Mega
    3. Ultra
    4. Mega
    5. Super

    Please make additions or corrections to this list. I think this should become an ISO standard or something.

    1. Re:Heirarchy of Modifiers by nb+caffeine · · Score: 2, Funny

      instead of mega mega, i think ultra mega, and then super ultra mega. There is more words, so it has to be more better! :)


      (bad grammer is intentional)

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  17. Re:Neal Stephenson by binarybum · · Score: 2, Informative

    err, no it's not. the refractive index is how you tell real diamonds from manufactured ones.

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  18. Diamond nanotube cartel? by JourneyExpertApe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Will these be controlled by an evil diamond nanotube cartel in order to drive up their prices 1000-fold? And then will they bribe their way out of an anti-trust case?

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  19. Transcript of discovery by mpn14tech · · Score: 5, Funny

    First Scientist: Hey! You got nanotubes in my diamonds! Second Scientist: Hey! You got diamonds in my nanotubes!

  20. Re:Space elevator by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Funny

    The space elevator is a fantasy (etc.)

    Good thing you're so much smarter than all them fancy-pants scientists and engineers with their high-falutin' PhD's and book-learnin' working on that damn-fool idea! If they just listen to you, they'll stop wasting their time!

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  21. Re:Tubes by DoraLives · · Score: 4, Funny
    don't know how we could increase pi, are you sure that's possible?

    Why hell, I bet I could increase pi up to a couple of hundred if I felt like taking the time to do it right. Just go ahead and insert those diameters in the circumference and then pin them off and then just beat the living hell out of the remainder of whatever diameter is still hanging out there until it by god just goes on in. With a big enough beater, and enought time, and who knows, maybe a torch kit or something, I'm pretty sure I could work things out to get pi to most any old number you might want.

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  22. Drawbacks by ShakaUVM · · Score: 2, Funny

    >Diamond has its drawbacks, however. Diamond is a
    >brittle material and is normally not electrically
    >conducting.

    You know, for all that diamonds don't conduct electricity and such, women still go crazy for 'em.

    Women!

  23. I just love /. headlines by zanderredux · · Score: 2, Funny
    By integrating these two novel forms of carbon together at the nanoscale a new material is produced that combines the material properties of both diamond and nanotubes.

    So... is it like tieing a piece of bread with butter on it to the back of a cat?

    We all know that bread with butter always falls with the butter face down and that the cat always falls on its paws, so one will cancel the other and the cat will be able to defy gravity, being suspended in mid-air?

  24. Re:Neal Stephenson by WalksOnDirt · · Score: 2, Informative

    Manufactured diamonds are real diamonds, so they have the same refractive index, and density, as natural diamonds. The more usual term for them is synthetic diamonds, and they can be distinguished by their trace elements and by the nature of inclusions (flaws). For instance, high pressure synthetic diamonds have iron inclusions that are not found in natural diamonds.

    It is an open question whether the new vapor deposition diamonds will continue to be identified, though for now they can.

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  25. Why this technology is essential by nutznboltz · · Score: 2, Informative

    Existing transmission lines are a huge waste of energy. They hold back conversion from fossile fuels to solar and wind by limiting the distance electricity can be effectively sent. Copper is too soft and heavy so aluminum transmission lines are built but there is too much resistance so transmission distance is cut back.

    With nanotubes, near-superconducting transmission lines could be built which would enable cloudly areas to reap the benefits of solar electric power from deserts and wind power from the plains.

    References:
    http://smalley.rice.edu/ (see associated video lecture.)

  26. re: by swatthatfly · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Diamond has its drawbacks, however. Diamond is a brittle material and is normally not electrically conducting. Nanotubes, on the other hand, are incredibly strong and are also great electrical conductors, but harnessing these attributes into real materials has proved elusive. "

    Looks like they take two great technologies and put them together to get one mediocre result.

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  27. Combined properties ? by ultranova · · Score: 2, Funny

    By integrating these two novel forms of carbon together at the nanoscale a new material is produced that combines the material properties of both diamond and nanotubes.

    So this thing is brittle but very hard to produce ? ...in Soviet Russia !

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