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Blu-Ray To Punish Users for Modifying Hardware

datemenatalie writes "As reported on Engadget, consumers should expect punishment for tinkering with their Blu-ray players, as many have done with current DVD players, for instance to remove regional coding. The new, Internet-connected and secure players will report any "hack" and the device can be disabled remotely. As the article asks, "Are they talking about PVP-OPM techniques and rejected HDMI keys, or something else far more sinister? Because apparently "A hacked player is any player that is doing something it's not supposed to do," which open to a pretty fair amount of interpretation--most of which egregious.""

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  1. I hope we have a solid record for the future by backslashdot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When we tell kids about a time when it used to be possible for people "own" things.

    Savage times, those were.

    1. Re:I hope we have a solid record for the future by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The end of private property as we know it.

      What would happen if say, a company that made toasters could detect what you were toasting. Toast an english bagel in the morning, come home at night and find out someone has come into your home and cut the power cord off your toaster.

      I, for one, think it is criminal act for a company to destroy *my* property because they didn't like what I was using it for. I can only hope the courts will find likewise.

      --
      "Eve of Destruction", it's not just for old hippies anymore...
  2. Re:Wait a moment... by slughead · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can someone explaine to me why its not illegal for a company to punish a consumer for tinkering with a product that that consumer had purchased?

    Have you ever heard of a Homeowner's Association?

  3. Why not pick at BOTH? by mcc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because as far as I can tell, there is absolutely no way that ANY PC-style computer is going to be able to even come CLOSE to implementing the kinds of "security" features that the Blu-Ray Association has been talking about, without the kinds of OS+hardware-level "DRM" that Microsoft has been promoting a move toward for the last four or five years...

    The entertainment industry is running around shooting at people, and Microsoft just happens to be selling them guns

  4. Huh? by Have+Blue · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can someone explain why I would have hooked my Blu-Ray player up to the Internet in the first place?

  5. Re:Wait a moment... by sd_diamond · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can someone explaine to me why its not illegal for a company to punish a consumer for tinkering with a product that that consumer had purchased?

    You've touched on what may be the most ominous thing about this. We're living in the age of the EULA, and it looks like they're trying to set a precedent for extending that model ("You're not purchasing it, you're paying for the right to use it as long as we feel like letting you") from software to hardware.

    "Under the terms of this License Agreement, Ford Motor Co. may revoke your right to drive this automobile if you buy parts or seek service from any person or entity not officially licensed by Ford to provide such parts or services..."

    It's a Brave New World...

  6. Helping the Black/Grey Market by Danathar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    PC's with DRM, DVD players with DRM....software that gets automatically turned off if you unscrew the case..ect..

    Don't the Major players understand that they are creating a market for for the off-brand Korean/Chinese/Asian manufacturers to sell consumer electronics without all this crap?

    Unless the U.S. starts seriously inderdicting consumer electronics that don't meet RIAA/MPAA standards people ARE going to buy these things via mailorder from overseas.

    The Chinese already don't respect copyright OR patents. What makes them think they will not see this as an opportunity to make money and jump into the market? They already make practically ALL of the components that go into the "Branded" versions that will go to the U.S. It's gunna be trivial for them to duplicate (in quality) a Blue-Ray DVD player without all the DRM crap on it.

  7. Well you won't have to by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you just refuse to buy this shit. Encourage everyone you know to boycott Blu-ray. Remember Divx? No not the MPEG-4 compressor but the orignal Divx, the one from Circut City. It was to be the DVD replacement. Take DVD, remove some of the cool features and require people to pay per view. Hollywood couldn't stop drooling on themselves over the PPV idea, and the fact that consumers couldn't sell used discs. All the major studios cast in for Divx and most said they were only doing Divx, no DVD.

    Well, an effective consumer boycott was organized. People were informed about how much Divx sucked, and so they didn't buy it. Their VHS tapes were good enough and they stuck with that. In the end, Circut City took a bath to the tune of $100 million and Divx died.

    The same can be done here. DVDs are good enough for most people. Those without HDTVs really couldn't give two shits and even for those with, it's not like DVDs are an eyesore. Yes, I'd love to have more HD content, but I don't cry when I have to watch a DVD.

    So work to convince consumers you know to boycott Blu-ray, they can keep buying DVDs, just no Blu-ray discs or players. Most importantly, convince the videophiles you know. These are the ones who will spend the money on the inital players that will allow the price to lower for the mass market. If the videophile community decides not to buy it, it'll be a major financial hardhsip.

    That's all it will take. The electronics companies are happy to play ball with the media companies when it doesn't affect their bottom line. However if they are producing devices no one will buy, they'll get pissed and stop making them. They are also the ones with the real power, the electronics industry is FAR larger than the entertainment industry.