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Logitech Unveils Smart Mouse
Rob writes "Computer business Review is reporting that Logitech International, one of the world's
largest makers of mice and keyboards, has added to its already large range of peripherals
with a new mouse that can receive and process wireless communications from a PC. The new
fangled mouse is capable of two-way communication with the PC, it can inform users when
their mouse battery is low, and
notify them when they receive an email or instant message. Other features include
laser tracking, 10 buttons, volume control and probably too many other things."
Well, that is most idiotic use of the feature.
There may be some good uses for it though. Notifying the user that he must take an anti-RSI break springs to mind as one good use. Possibly a few others.
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Gosh, it hasn't even been a month since the last Logitech Slash-vertisment. So I can quote my last rant about the buttons on newer Logitech mice:
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I have an old Logitech M-BA47 from around 2000. It has a nice thumb button right where I rest my thumb (i.e low). When I first hooked it up, XFree86 mapped it as another middle button. I was happy with that so I never looked into changing it. It works great for me under Linux. Pasting text or opening links in new tabs is a matter of simply pressing with my thumb. And I never liked pressing down on the mouse wheel because it can turn unless you're careful about applying the pressure (or at least that's what I'm thinking about whenever I have to do it on other mice). Pressing the thumb button is so much easier.
Then earlier this year, my mum took pity on me still using a non-optical mouse and got me a Logitech MX500 mouse. Bleh. For a start, I had to hunt around a lot of web pages to figure out how to map the buttons the way I like. Then I realised the stupidity of having two (not one) thumb buttons, making them thin, and placing them up on the rim of the mouse. So now I not only had to move my thumb, I had to be careful to hit the right one, and I had to apply more pressure because they were much smaller. Think about it, the left and right mouse buttons are nice big pads you can rest your fingers on, so why make the other buttons so small and hard to hit?
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Personally I'd be happy with a mouse and keyboard which did what they're meant to without screwing up my machine with a bunch of apps and dlls that destablize the whole OS by running the entire type, installing hooks and "sniffing" for various things.
...and when their Logitech-delivered adware has just popped a message onto their screen. Why oh why do people go out and build up the crapware business by buying these bloated, pointless ubermice whose features they never use anyway? I mean, how many people use the fancy "multimedia" keys on a keyboard?
As of right now I use a Trillian plugin to notify my when I have a new instant message by flashing the three LED's on my keyboard.
This is useful to me because I usually have IM sound off (I have a lot going at once and it gets annoying as hell) and when I'm passing by my computer at home I can take a quick peek at my keyboard to see if I have any messages rather than go to the computer, turn on the monitor, unlock windows, and check my message windows.
Also when running full screen games or applications, a secondary visual indicator comes in handy.
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Some posters seem to think that 10 buttons are too much for a mouse but I think I'd like it if my next mouse had twice as many buttons on it. A hand held input device (a.k.a. mouse) is leaps and bounds ahead of any keyboard out there ergonomically. What I would like to see are functions such as task switching (alt-tab), ok, cancel, minimize, maximize, and like basic functions used while interacting with the operating system. Having them convieniently and literally at your finger tips would allow the more efficient and transparent manipulation of the command functions of the operating system.
The Windows Icon Mouse Pointer system would have to have some of it's qualifying actions loosened, for example, having ok and cancel mouse buttons active when the pointer is within the dialog box instead of requiring that it needed to be above the actual button graphic. This leads to a more generalized notion that the operating system could be manipulated in a context orientated manner. Like today's Wizards on megasteroids. As you went from screen-to-screen within the context of a wizard paradigm have the buttons on the mouse change functions depending on the screen or context you were currently at. It would have to follow some logical system to be useful otherwise you'd probably be constantly looking at your "mouse" to see what was written on the button display at the moment. If it was ever to take hold maybe our children will take a mouse interface course much as we take touch typing courses today.
Shh.
Meh, is it as funky as their Remote Control? Just got one of these babies, and it is, and I quote my mother, the rocksaw (hehe, she tries, she tries).
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One feature I would like and I think I heard about it on slashdot long ago but I am to lazy now to find it but the mouse gave resistance when you move over hot spots or moved over windows. This would be very useful today especially now that most OS's use or are starting to use 3d interface to draw their widgets so when you move on the z access you get a little resistance which lets you know where you are and get a better feeling of the interface.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
True, but wireless mice are heavier because of the battery. I really prefer a light mouse with a soft wire, carefully suspended somehow so it doesn't restrict movement. It can be tricky to get right, but I prefer it to shoving a battery around all the time. Though there are occasions where being able to use your wireless mouse from across the room is handy. Heck, just use both, wired mice are dirt cheap anyway and having two mice connected simultaneously isn't a problem.
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If your problem is the cord interfering with your movements, use a trackball.
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I'm quite unhappy that new features are being added to the mouse interface - the way a mouse interacts with a GUI needs to be a simple, standardised, well documented system. Logitech are presumably adding a new driver, I hope it's stable and will fall back to a standard PS2 driver in the event of a fault.
I have been a user for about 10 years. This ends Feb 2014. The site's been ruined. I'm off. Dice, FU
The dang thing runs on 2.4Ghz - I got rid of my 2.4Ghz wireless phones because they didn't play nice with my 802.11g network. "excuse me, I can't find a clear channel, would you mid turning off that useless interferring radio thing? Thanks...."
Bluetooth is a standard wireless protocol - they could have acheived everything they wanted, *WITHOUT* creating interference.
We'll just not discuss the bloatware aspects....
I have one of the logitech IFeel mice! When it first came out, it had support for several FPS games like the first UT; it was awesome to get tactile feedback in a PC shooter, like the rumble-pak did for the N64 and Golden Eye.
Naturally as time goes by I stopped installing the immersion software and games lost support, but the added weight of the rumble motor still made this my gaming mouse of choice until this year when I got a new wireless, which I can't stand. I've been on the prowl for a new heavyweight mouse solution, but with out the wires or needless buttons.
Currently the mouse travles with the laptop, but is grungy, and the glide pads are history making it rough to drag.
The only reason that I've ever had a wireless mouse on my desktop was when I bought a new workstation at work.
The keyboard that came with it was a Dell special "lets move all the keys around because we hate all humans" type keyboard. I couldn't use it; kept screwing up when trying to hit page up, or home, or an arrow key. I went to a few stores, and the *ONLY* keyboard that wasn't completely garbage was a damned Logitech (eww) wireless keyboard/mouse kit. The keyboard is OK, the mouse is OK. Neither are great, but they work usually. I think the range must be about three feet, unless some paper is in the way, and then it's one foot.
I would love to not have to worry about batteries in my input devices. That's why I don't have wireless stuff for my machine at home. I do have a Gyration wireless kit for my TV, but I use that from 20 feet away. I also replace the batteries in the keyboard once a year. The mouse has to be recharged every few days though, which pisses me off.
I also never have a problem with the cords on my stuff getting tangled. I pull enough cord through my desk, and then position the monitor slightly over it. No more problem.
Well, I made a friend's laptop to make an awful screech of a rusty gate when the lid is being open, and closing the lid emits a corresponding loud, heavy slam.
All in software, mind you!
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...do we get the three button optical mice that are like the PilotMouse(iirc) but with optical innards instead of a ball? I'm bored with cleaning my balls. I personally have an instant market for seven of these mice.
While 10 buttons may seem a bit too much for a 3buttons mouse user (just as 3 buttons looked horribly complicated to a Macintosh user until Apple released the Mighty Mouse *wink*) you get addicted to them really fast, i'd say that 5 buttons is a bare minimum for me nowadays (with 1 button mapped to double clic and 1 to "close application").
That's what the keyboard is for. There is no real reason to have your hand on your mouse for extra buttons when you can use your keyboard to type, run, navigate, manage windows, etc, with just a custom set of key commands. I rarely touch my mouse, and that's usually when just randomly browsing my live bookmarks in Firefox (mouse gestures to ease the navigation with the mouse).
You have plenty of keys on the keyboard, and you can easily set them to fit like a glove specifically for you. As an idea, my keys (using Fluxbox's ~/.fluxbox/keys file) are set up as follows:
Left Hand
Alt+Tab: Guess...
Alt+Q: Close
Alt+W: Calculator
Alt+E: Terminal
Alt+R: Run Command (fbrun)
Alt+A: Show Desktop
Alt+S: Maximize Window
Alt+D: Shade Window
Alt+F: Toggle Decorations
Alt+Z: Fluxbox Menu
Alt+X: Minimize Window
Alt+C: Text Editor
Alt+V: KSysGuard
Right Hand
Alt+U: Desktop 1
Alt+I: Desktop 2
Alt+O: Desktop 3
Alt+P: Desktop 4
Alt+H: Previous Desktop
Alt+J: Previous Tab
Alt+K: Next Tab
Alt+L: Next Desktop
Alt+M: Send Current Window to Desktop 1
Alt+,: Send Current Window to Desktop 2
Alt+.: Send Current Window to Desktop 3
Alt+/: Send Current Window to Desktop 4