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International Call for Open Standards

tengu1sd writes "The New York Times is carrying a report urging nations to adopt open-information technology standards as 'a vital step to accelerate economic growth, efficiency and innovation'. Sponsored by The Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard, it also points out that 'open technology standards - the digital equivalent of a common gauge for railroad tracks - are not the same thing as open-source software. Open source is a development model for software in which code is freely shared and improved by a cooperative network of programmers'. This leaves room for companies willing to accept standards, but closes the door to companies unwilling to play nice."

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  1. The way it should be! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One of the first things you learn at school is to play nice together, or else you don't play at all. The sooner "big business" learns this lesson, the better!

  2. Standards just wont happen by mbelly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the 'real world' is anything like the place I work. Standards are a dream, that will never come to be, because everyone likes do do things "their way".

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    1. Re:Standards just wont happen by cyborg_zx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But standards *do* happen. There are just too many areas in life that would become totally inoperable if everyone did things differently. Like driving for example. But then having a standard doesn't necessarially mean 'everyone is uniform' - in this context it usually just means everyone can understand the interface or specification for your standard without needing the use of dowsing, divine revelation, mediums or perhaps reverse engineering to work with that interface of specification.

    2. Re:Standards just wont happen by starfishsystems · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It is effectively an open standard.

      If it's an open standard, where is the specification authorized and published? That, my friend, is what it means to have a standard for something, like for example the definition of what a meter is, or a thread gauge, or a signalling protocol. The word "standard" isn't just what you want it to mean from moment to moment, and it isn't someone's current best guess at reverse engineering some undisclosed mechanism.

      Speaking of standards:

      • companie is spelled "company"
      • impliment is spelled "implement"
      • beurocracy is spelled "bureaucracy"
      • bennefit is spelled "benefit"
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    3. Re:Standards just wont happen by yo_tuco · · Score: 2, Insightful

      " but everyone know[sic] the standard is the Word 2000 format."

      I don't share your interpretation of a standard, And at best it's a self-proclaimed standard. And most definitely it's a standard for paying members of a private club. The reverse engineering efforts you mention are not the way one goes about interfacing to a "standard" for interoperability.

  3. closed standards by lanswitch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Open standards have been the driving force behind the development of the PC. The only reason for closed standards is so that somebody can make money with them.

  4. Magic vs. Science by Rob+Carr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Before science became accepted, people we would now call magicians and alchemists actually made scientific progress. Unfortunately, their secrets were closely guarded and not always passed down. What someone learned by trial and error was lost to the regular community.

    The big change that permitted science to flourish was the willingness to share information. Because the information was shared, progress was not limited to what one person could create.

    The failure to use Open Standards won't send us back to the dark ages. But it will slow progress down as each proprietary standard sets up a roadblock.

    The failure to follow standards should be punished in some way. Using basic economics isn't fast, but it will work in the long run.

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  5. A new trend? by Gargamell · · Score: 2, Insightful



    It pleases me to see that the good intentions of open source standards are taking a more aggressive approach to defending the open source development method of software.

    As all of us /.-ers know, programming is much more of an art than its hard outer shell lets on. It is a shame when the work of an artist is hidden from another for profit, and at the loss of innovation!

    ~tim

    1. Re:A new trend? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It pleases me to see that the good intentions of open source standards are taking a more aggressive approach to defending the open source development method of software.

      "open technology standards - the digital equivalent of a common gauge for railroad tracks - are not the same thing as open-source software."

      Did you miss something here? This isn't about OSS.

  6. Open standards and competition by ReformedExCon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The key to competing successfully in business is to offer a better value to the customer than they can get somewhere else.

    If you run a small grocery, you will typically be outpriced by the large grocery chain down the block, but can keep business by offering your customers other services that keep them coming back. If you make widgets, it's better to be either the cheapest widget provider or the widget provider with the highest quality. In a competition where price and quality are the deciding features, it's best to pick one extreme and go for it.

    So what happens with software? If everyone implements open standards, it limits the implementation to the limits of the standard. Ideally, you'd have a flexible enough standard that implementing cool ideas is no more of a break from the standard than implementing the standard verbatim. But for a company that leads the field by a large margin, it doesn't make sense to open up to standards and thus open the doors for your customers to leave the barn. Keep them locked in, and keep providing them with superior product. They will never have the need to switch to another product so long as their needs are met, and they would have a tough time switching anyway as their current data isn't easily transferrable to a new system, no matter how open that new system may be.

    I'm of the opinion that companies ought to do what they want with regards to standards. It doesn't matter what package you are using, if the one you are using satisfies your needs. Open standards hardly ever make or break a deal.

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    1. Re:Open standards and competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you're missing the point here. For widget making, if everyone on the planet has 2 inch widgets, that fit into standardised 2-inch widget holes.. and you come along with your super fantastic new 3 inch widgets... no-one will buy them, regardless of their superiority.

      You want a more real-world example, make a CD that is incompatible with current CD players. Sure, we will change and get better CDs (eg DVDs, and now high-capacity DVDs) but only by changing the standards. In the case of blu-ray v HD-DVD.. one will win out, the other will become synonymous with 'betamax'.

      If you create something brand new, and you want to keep it to yourself, it becomes a standard all on its own. Look at Windows - they do whatever they want, and it is the de-facto standard for nearly everything. Web standards are fine and good, but people still code to the 'one true standard' for the majority of web users, which is still IE.

      I suppose it boils down to terminology - there's the de-facto standard, and there's the committee-created standard. In all cases, the former wins out.

    2. Re:Open standards and competition by discordja · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You've completely missed the point. You seem to equate product with proprietary implementation of data storage. In the perfect world, open standards are conformed to and what is *actually* sold is the interface, the method of getting to and manipulating that data. If MS could keep it's monopoly in that scenario, it would be because they actually created the best product instead of holding your data hostage, threatening that if you move away from them you'll never be able to see your files again.

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  7. This isn't about OSS by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The point is that Open STANDARDS are important - not Open Source. All this fuss over OSS is ridiculous. What should remain is the idea that open standards provide the opportunity for growth in the industry. The actual implementation of the software is much less important.

    Open standards and Open Source have nothing to do with each other. There is plenty of closed source software that supports open standards.

  8. We need clear definitions from the Media... by LexNaturalis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From TFA:

    The 33-page report is a road map for creating national policies on open technology standards, and comes at a time when several countries - and some state governments - are pursuing plans to reduce their dependence on proprietary software makers, notably Microsoft, by using more free, open-source software.
    An ignorant reader who was reading this article might assume that all open-source software was "free as in beer", whereas we all (should) know that not all open-source software falls into that niche. I would hazard a guess and say that most governments would probably be using OSS that included tech support, ergo not free as in beer. While OSS is a good thing (in my mind), I don't want everyone thinking they can get it without any cost, because then they'll be disappointed.

    Likewise, what is the definition of "standard"? From dictionary.com:

    Something, such as a practice or a product, that is widely recognized or employed, especially because of its excellence.
    Now, I know this may cause a potential flame war, but isn't it pretty clear that Microsoft (mostly) fits that bill? Obviously many will hit me with "Yeah, except for the excellence part..." and I'll concede that Microsoft Office does not always work propertly. However, it is the most widely recognized and employed office software. Does that not make it seem that Office "is" a standard? I work at a government research lab and everything we do has to be compatible with MS Office.

    Sure, everyone wants to crush Microsoft into the ground, but realistically (if I can be so bold as to actually talk realistically), does anyone think we can actually get ENOUGH people to stop using Office that *.doc files will cease to be the standard? I honestly think we're better off trying to find a way to get Microsoft to give developers the information they need to develop software based on the Microsoft standard. Oh yes, I know, that's blasphemy and my karma is now lower than Lucifer's, but if you stop and think for a moment you'll realize that it's the logical and realistic choice.

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    1. Re:We need clear definitions from the Media... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I 100% agree with you that .doc from Microsoft is the "standard" in existence for documents today. What you fail to recognize though is that it is not an "open standard". I for one would be perfectly willing to accept .doc as an open standard if it were one. If the standard fits the bill well for most tasks and also is accessible to those who do not purchase the MS product then I will use it. I would hope that if anyone and everyone could read and edit a document (with MS, OpenOffice, Koffice, Word Perfect, and the like) then the software that spit out that open standard would be competing for productivity and ease of use. Right now there is no serious competition and that is due to Microsofts closed standard. Yes all the early word processors had the same and Microsoft won out due to superiority in many areas but now competition is dead or close to it. If the standards were open then it would fuel a new competition. It may not be profitable to Microsoft in the end for this to take place but it could be very profitable for users and possibly even the open source movement.

  9. Re:Play nice? by gclef · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If standard-compliant documents become a requirement for large purchases, it doesn't matter if the company wants to play nice or not...the only question is: do they want the sale? Customers can force the companies to play nice by making standards-compliant document formats a requirement.

  10. Your presumption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    is thinking that MS is deployed because of its' excellence.

    It is because of network effects, where a pile of crap, if everyone has it, is still of more utility than perfection only a few people have.

  11. Microsoft will beat this .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just another opportunity combine automated patching with embrace, extend, and extinguish. Microsoft will start supporting these open formats to keep their foot firmly in the door. Then they will start to poison them. People will soon be once again sending documents as (say) .doc files, because they need to get their work done. The 'open' format will seem too much of a nuisance, as it will be 'accidently' half-broken or otherwise made inferior. Similar programs won't be able to open the 'open-format' documents anyway because the standard will have been 'extended'. Microsoft will spin it as the fault of the format and competitors programs (and most managers and bureaucrats will no-doubt buy the spin .. they always do), but as long as Microsoft claims they support the open-format, then sales to government mandating openness will have the green-light.

    You can't force a company with an anti-competitive corporate culture to play nice. It just won't do it.

  12. Re:Let standards evolve, why force them by WiartonWilly · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The standards can evolve. If Microsoft wishes to add a new "feature" to an existing standard, it must a) not prevent the file from being used by programs designed to meet the current standard, and b) the new "feature" must be open for others to adopt, or not, as they wish.

    Microsoft has a history of twisting standards until only their software can open the files.

  13. Open source would eventually win by MarkEst1973 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Everyone has been bitching about open standards forever. It is what we need more than open source software.

    That said, open standards means open source will eventually win. As word processing formats (a la what's happen in MA) become standard, then the software will become commoditized. It's the end of MS Office's reign. OpenOffice can and will quickly implement the standard, and no one would have a reason to use MS Office anymore.

    Open standards are the death knell for MS's monopoly, and they know it. Expect MS to fight tooth and nail every step of the way.

    Once we have open standards and everyone is coding to that standard, the consume will win. The consumer will have choice and competition will make the software smaller, faster, more secure, and more plentiful.

  14. Railway tracks not a good example by Viol8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "It also points out that open technology standards - the digital equivalent of a common gauge for railroad tracks - are "

    Lets hope the digital equivalent is a bit *more* standardised than railway track gauge or we'll end up with the virtual version of 2ft gauge, 2ft 6 , 3ft, meter gauge, standard gauge, irish gauge, soviet gauge etc etc etc

  15. The Star Trek Magic by vginders · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Open Standards are what it takes to reroute energy from an Alien Ship to the Engine Room or reconfigure Energy Coils and adapt special Capacitors.
    OK, I'm no Trekkie, but you get the point. You'll need Open Standards (and adherence to them) to make things "Just Work (tm)."

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  16. Re:Be careful what you ask for ... by at_slashdot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The accent here is on open not on standards. What I mean by that is that with the technological pace it's going to be hard to use only technology that was standardized by I don't know what international agency, however if you chose to use a technology maybe it's better to use the one that has open specifications.

    So maybe the word we are looking for is specifications not standards. I mean of course it's better to use a standard but in case you have to chose between open specifications and closed specifications -- the wise choise is the first one.

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  17. More open, not more rigid by infocrucible · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Standards do not have to mean that everyone has to use Open Document or something. This is only a tool MA has used to begin to escape vendor lock-in. The whole point is that if you store data, you should be making public the way that you have formatted the data in order to allow it to be translated into another format if necessary. The reason people gravitate to XML is because it is a text-based file format that can be examined, rather than a proprietary binary format with the drawbridge firmly raised and the archers searching for targets.

  18. USA by OrthodonticJake · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The USA can't even accept the metric system, so I don't understand how everyone keeps expecting it to embrace all this newfangled 'open source' stuff. Open source needs to get in line.

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