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Refugee Radio Station Blocked by Red Tape

Zathrus writes "According to a Wired story, a volunteer organized low power FM radio station is being blocked by local administration and red tape. They've already won the classically big battles -- securing FCC licenses, obtaining the broadcast equipment and radios, getting the manpower, and having some big name backing -- only to be blocked at the last minute by some lower level administrators who don't think information is a worthwhile resource." From the article: "According to KAMP, Royal claimed the Astrodome was not able to provide power to KAMP's low-power FM transmitter. When KAMP offered to bring in enough batteries to power the equipment off the Astrodome's grid, they were still denied. Obey, speaking to Wired News, explained that the JIC couldn't see a use for the radio station when they had the ability to communicate via the loudspeaker system and newsletters. "

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  1. Information Control by cerberus4696 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm wondering whether this has something to do with the fact that loudspeaker announcements and newsletters can be controlled by the officials in charge of the Astrodome, wheras a volunteer-run radio station can't.

    1. Re:Information Control by jcr · · Score: 1, Insightful

      BINGO!

      Got it on the first guess.

      -jcr

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    2. Re:Information Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Same thing with the boaters who tried to get in day one with chainsaws and provisions but were turned away.

      Red Cross and similar organizations are all too well aware that there are criminals among those who show up to volunteer. In submerged New Orleans, a boat and chainsaw are as useful for pillaging as rescuing. While it's arguable that the harm done by a minority of thieves would be less than the good done by the majority of rescuers, clearly the Red Cross has learned that, over the long run, even a few bad actors could ruin the good reputation that ARC needs to attract donations and be permitted to act on behalf of victims.

    3. Re:Information Control by Hork_Monkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So 100 looted houses is worth more than 1 extra saved life?

    4. Re:Information Control by Catbeller · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am humbled. O Monkey Jesus, save us from both of these damned parties. There's no difference between the DLC and the GOP.

      The Bush team originated these "First Amendment" zones. I doubt we'll find a judge, after this flurry of installations these past five years, who''l put a stop to this.

      Forget about the Supreme Court. They'll probably put their stamp on executing anyone who speaks outside the designated "free speech" zone.

      And the peeple won't care. That's the core, the crux, the whole damned problem. What's the use of a constitution that no one cares about?

      It's called decadence.

      Thanks for showing us this. I completely missed it when it happened.

      We need a new political party. God. Maybe those move-on people are right: we need to take over the Democratic party, make it what the old Republican party sorta used to be. Right now, we've got ultra-right-fringe loonies making up the GOP and far-far right wing me-too-ers in the Democatic leadership.

      I want a cookie. It's going to take a century to clean up this mess.

    5. Re:Information Control by 87C751 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      We need a new political party.
      Close. We need a new political system. The one we have now is irreparably broken.
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    6. Re:Information Control by Spatch3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree whole heartedly with all subsequent posts about how wonderful "Free Speech Zones" are and especially how protesters create a local economic problem what with all the extra police needed to beat them down, I mean keep the peace. You know this really does go both ways. If free speech zones were invented by the current administration to corral political protestors, then whey cant the same tactics be used against abortion protestors? Whey cant we put those "God Hates Fags" gay funeral protestors behind chain link fences and razor wire? Why couldn't we put the Christina Fundy protestors that go to Mardi Gras every year in a "free speech zone?" Or would that be "Un-American?"

      One more imponderable: Why is it that on Fox news whenever they talk of protestors for any reason they always refer to them as "Anarchists?" The other day I finally heard Fox refer to protestors as actual protestors. Then it dawned on me, it was Israelis protesting being relocated out of the "occupied" territories. Only when you are right wing and have something to protest about can you be termed a protester, but if you are left wing and protesting you are an anarchist. Seems "Fair and Balanced" to me!

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  2. Unfortunate by Da_Biz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I understand the need for the Red Cross and other shelter organizers to promote a good atmosphere (well, as good as possible), but sheesh, I fail to see the harm done by a microtransmitter.

    I am of the opinion that, overall, the American Red Cross is well organized and operated (I'm speaking with over six years of experience with EMS, SAR and Disaster Relief here). However, I have to sigh at the bureaucracy and lack of "out-of-the-box" thinking that sometimes crops up when I'm volunteering with them.

    1. Re:Unfortunate by Lally+Singh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Remember that DHS blocked the red cross for a while from getting into NOLA.

      The whole radio thing, however, is part of a larger press blackout. If you can't fix it, try and cover it up and hope people forget.

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    2. Re:Unfortunate by kingsquab · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Surely you're aware that it was the Louisiana Homeland Security Department that kept the Red Cross out, right?
       
      The Feds are certainly not blameless in this affair, but let's give credit and blame where it is actually due.

  3. The New FEMA by Daedala · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You know, it looks like the entire disaster operation is being run on the premise that it's very, very important that minor officials be allowed to be officious.

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    1. Re:The New FEMA by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, Congress seemed to think so in 1803- long before the Red Cross was thought of (bet YOU didn't know FEMA was that old). And it did a damned good job for us on September 12, 2001. It's just that in 2003, the buracracy took a spin into the Dilbert Principle when our bonehead President appointed a horse show judge to be the head of FEMA, instead of say, promoting somebody with emergency management experience.

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  4. Politics in the way by kid_oliva · · Score: 3, Insightful

    it is really sad when people organize and work hard to help their fellow man, just to be stopped by bureaucracy. Obey should be helping the cause and not trying to put the kabosh on it. Maybe this why you don't see more people going out on a limb, because they think it will just get shot down?

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  5. Indymedia? Village Voice? by winkydink · · Score: 3, Insightful

    C'mon these guys make NPR look like Fox News. How about a little balance?

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  6. Fascists Out in Force by SirChive · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wars, Depressions and Natural Disasters always bring out the Fascists. They gravitate to any venue where they can make the case that control triumphs freedom.

  7. Public Safety Bah! by Hategiants · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is absurd, what year is this again? Newsletters and loudspeakers to distribute safety information but no radio? Need to inform thousands of people of imminent danger, please wait while we print newsletters and distribute them one at a time to inform people of the matter. Failure to use technology to properly distribute information is one of the many reasons this disaster occured in the first place. Lets just repeat that mistake again.

  8. Re:black people by russianspy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Quite honestly I think that's a nice steaming pile of bull.

    George W. Bush does not care about the color of your skin, only the amount in your wallet.

  9. This damage control isn't for you. by RyanFenton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The first priority of damage control for the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina is not to save lives. It's to mask blame. Not that there isn't blame to go around - but the talking points going around are built to make all blame seem equal. To make it seem like any one of the politicians involved in this disaster had the same ability to help save people, and Republican politicians who did not help did nothing wrong compared to everyone else.

    Having a radio stations where people affected could speak their minds openly, or even potentially openly would hurt this damage control.

    Ryan Fenton

  10. WOW (Sarcstic) by Karaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Communists used to ban BBC in our country that way :) I guess the history is repeating itself in different context :)

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  11. The politically-unfriendly truth will be told. by CyricZ · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The harm is that some people who were directly affected by this disaster might exercise their freedom of speech and freedom of expression. They might question why their federal government failed them so badly in so many different ways. And a lot of people may hear such objections and questions. That won't bode well for the administrators who are blocking the survivors' most basic freedoms.

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    1. Re:The politically-unfriendly truth will be told. by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They might question why their federal government failed them so badly in so many different ways.

      Let's not forget the apalling incompetence of the state and local governments while we're at it. 500 busses, fueled and under water. No food or water stockpiled, no medical supplies, or doctors at the superdome. Way to go, Mr. Mayor.

      I do hope that the people in the Astrodome are free to leave. They are in great danger of being turned into some bureaucrat's meal ticket for years to come.

      -jcr

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  12. Re:It's all about.... by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    volunteers say they plan to begin distributing them anyway in hopes they can set up some kind of station in the Astrodome parking lot, or else partner with KPFT to provide news for hurricane survivors.

    That seems to be the right idea in this case- if you can't broadcast from inside the astrodome, then get the FCC to increase the power of your license and broadcast from *outside* the astrodome.

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  13. Put itin a van by wiredlogic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do they have to be stationed in the Astrodome? I'm sure the authorities in charge don't want to be responsible for the cable runs out to their tower.

    They can just put their equipment into a van and broadcast from the parking lot like regular pirate radio. They can still do interviews within the dome using portable radios and cell phones.

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  14. Re:It's all about.... by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I love the worry about "Gangster Rap".

    There's the basis of your racist bullshit from FEMA, right there. Someone got their whole family drowned, has been starved, dehydrated, literally dragged through shit, kept in a stable under the conditions of a hog farm feed-lot... Listening to Kurupt is gonna' put 'em over the edge.

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  15. My thoughts exactly. by Vellmont · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you lose control over information, you could lose control over the mass of people. I'm sure what they're worried about is the radio station broadcasting anything that's no in line with the message that the officials want heard. It's sad to imagine that our government has become more like China in this whole matter, caring more about saving face, and keeping the serfs in line than actually providing assistance.

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    1. Re:My thoughts exactly. by Vellmont · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Settle down Beavis. The word "activist" is indeed a political bullcrap used by mostly fanatics to describe themselves or by people who which to demonize "the other side". See "Activist judges".

      "Reach for my revolver" is a reference to German playwright Hanns Johst's play Schlageter, which has in it the (translated) phrase "Whenever I hear the word culture... I release the safety-catch of my Browning!" The last part is more often translated as "I reach for my revolver." Often the quote is attributed to Hermann Goring, though Johst is the true source.

      The point is that much like high culture, "activism" has taken on this unquestionable nobleness instead of just being politics as usual. (Either that or a demonic evil). I don't have a problem with people being passionate about their beliefs, only fanatical about them. Activists, and the word activist in general I associate with people who are singularly (and often myopically) focused on one goal. I find that to be a terrible world view which doesn't lead to finding any truth. So, when I hear someone speak of activism or activists I generally expect some bullshit to follow. Hence the revolver reaching (though in truth I don't own a gun nor ever have).

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    2. Re:My thoughts exactly. by Vellmont · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem isn't so much the singular focus, it's the lack of seeing things in context, and magnitude. Many of the clean water people are obsessed about "saving" every last gallon of water from being dirty. I used to know someone who would turn on the super-water-saver mode of the dishwasher, despite the fact that the dishes wouldn't get clean and would later have to re-done by someone else. (ignoring the dishwashers don't really use that much water to begin with).

      Where singular focus becomes a problem is seeing your problem in relation to other problems. If all you value is "saving' water, your solutions often wind up causing more harm than good.

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  16. No, that's incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The real point is that the Astrodome does not need a new radio station taking up space, using resources, and wasting management's time.

    If there are important things to say that the refugees need to hear over the radio, why not get one of the dozens of existing radio stations in the area to broadcast it. If your message is really that crucial, it shouldn't be a problem finding someone to play it.

    This is just a bunch of geeks that got told, "No, your idea won't actually help anyone", so they went and complained to /.

    1. Re:No, that's incorrect by Vellmont · · Score: 5, Insightful


      If there are important things to say that the refugees need to hear over the radio, why not get one of the dozens of existing radio stations in the area to broadcast it. If your message is really that crucial, it shouldn't be a problem finding someone to play it.

      I think you're missing the point of a micro broadcast radio station. Is a local station that serves the needs of the entire Houston area going to broadcast a message like "lunch of the day for the astrodome is cheeseburgers" If you really think that, you're just naive. This isn't about broadcasting ultra-important messages to everyone, it's about keeping people informed about the resources available to them, giving them something to do, etc.

      This is just a bunch of geeks that got told, "No, your idea won't actually help anyone", so they went and complained to /.

      Very true, but that doesn't diminish the fact that it WILL help people. This isn't some wild crazy techno geek idea of giving out free Wi-Fi internet access to people that don't have laptops or computers in the first place. Radios are dirt cheap, and anyone that has a few dollars can buy a portable one. They're cheap enough that someone could buy a thousand of them and distribute them to everyone in the Astrodome.

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  17. Not a real issue by SpaceGhost · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As someone directly involved with this effort (as a member of the Amateur Radio Emergency Service), I can assure my fellow slashdotters that this is simply not an issue, much less worthy of a slashdot story. Although this sounds like a great idea on the surface, I can understand where the JIC or for that matter the Incident Commander would chose to deny this request.
    What is not apparent to anyone outside Reliant City (as the astrodomain is now being called) is that it is utter CHAOS in there. It's not that the guests are anything but orderly, that the volunteers are anything but helpful, or that the involved agencies dont care, but there just isnt time for the responsible parties to even think very hard about it. Keep in mind that this is a gargantuan effort on the part of almost everybody involved - every agency I've come in contact with has expressed amazement at the vastness of the task and the speed with which it is being accomplished. And by now they are all pretty much exhausted. Sunday there were 25,000 guests on the ground - today it's far less than half of that. Meeting immediate needs is pretty much all that they can do. I alone have worked over 40 hours on this event since last wednesday, in addition to my regular full-time job.
    It would certainly be wonderful if the guests were being entertained, or even efficiently informed. And when I first heard about this effort I thought it was a great idea. But providing a communications channel without professional guidance as to content and application could just as easily cause more harm then good. After the event there will be a great deal of effort to review procedures and decide what went right and what went wrong, and I really hope that this specific option is included in future plans. I think it is awesome that the organizers of this effort did so much, this option has a great deal of potential. But please dont assume that some "lower-level official" just decided to be mean or felt power-hungry - it is just as likley that they thought it was a good idea, but just didnt have the time to give it a chance or make sure it was done right.

    Wayne Barker AD8A
    Amateur Radio Emergency Service
    Emergency Coordinator, SouthWest Harris County, Houston, TX

    1. Re:Not a real issue by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      mod +1 "informative", -2 "not what we want to believe cause we all know it's the 'man' keeping the people down".

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    2. Re:Not a real issue by dtobias · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "...providing a communications channel without professional guidance as to content and application could just as easily cause more harm then good..."

      Sounds like just the sort of thing the Communist Chinese government says when they censor the Internet, jail dissident journalists, run tanks over protestors, and so on. It's shameful to have anybody in the USA express such a position.

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    3. Re:Not a real issue by evilviper · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It's shameful to have anybody in the USA express such a position.

      No, it would be shameful for someone in the USA to be unable to express such a position.

      I can't say I completely disagree with him, either. With access to public airwaves comes public responsibilities. Should some half-assed radio station start spewing out false information, with thousands of people listening and believing them, they quite literally could cause a lot of harm. Proverbially shouting "fire" in a crowded theatre.

      I have no idea if that is the case here, but discounting his argument because something similar has been used by bad people for bad things is pretty ridiculous.
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  18. very simple reason... by KillShill · · Score: 1, Insightful

    they want to control all the information that's coming out of the area.

    they don't want the rest of the nation to know that hundreds of THOUSANDS of people have died due to the direct negligence of this administration. they knew full well as far back as 2002 that new orleans would be in big trouble due to flooding and hurricanes. that's why they were in the middle of building levees. then all of a sudden the funding was cut off to pay for the iraq war.

    there are many stories coming out of new orleans that the government and fema are doing all they can to prevent photos and news from leaking out rather than helping the afflicted. even stories of children being searched for cameras.

    and just about every aid agency and foreign assistance is being turned away or being delayed as long as possible.

    the fact that the rest of the world's news media are doing a far better job of covering this event than the US... is something to contemplate.

    when they burned down fallujah and other cities and bombarded it with depleted uranium, which has a half life of millions of years..., and killed lots of civilians... it was ok with the US public. but when the administration redirected the funding of the new orleans levees to pay for the war and ended up causing the worst disaster in the history of the country... i just have to wonder why FEMA and this administration isn't doing everything it can to prevent the real death toll and damage assessment from coming out.

    remember kids, war is good for the economy and ignorance is strength.

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  19. eep by dlefavor · · Score: 5, Insightful
    But providing a communications channel without professional guidance as to content and application could just as easily cause more harm then good.

    Why does this statement make my blood run cold?

  20. Quit playing the blame game by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I love how the White House and its supporters speak out of both sides of their mouth.

    Don't play the blame game, but it's all the state and local governments' fault.

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  21. Re:FEMA was voter approved, hippie radio was not by RentonSentinel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So FEMA was constructed and put in place using the Presidency, the Congress, and under the watchful eye of the Judiciary.

    They will be the final arbiters of what can and cannot happen in the dome. If you do not like it, you need to elect representatives who can change the system.

    A rag-tag group of washed up hippies cannot be alowed to over-ride federal control or military control.

    I'm sorry, but this is the harsh reality of life.

    Everything is not about your pleasure.

    It is about a chain of command.

  22. Haha, now you know how the left feels by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of course, Faux News is a media behemoth while Indymedia and the Village Voice preach only to the choir. Left wing media my ass, corporate media and invisible fringe, that's all there is. Freedom of the press only applies if you own a big enough press.

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  23. Re:black people by jrnchimera · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What part of "The local government must call for federal aid before federal arrives." don't you understand? The mayor of New York called almost immediately for federal aid.

    George Bush had been trying to get the local government to declare a need for federal assistance.

    This is NOT the federal governments fault.

    If you don't know what the fuck you're talking about just keep your damn partisan bullshit to yourself!

  24. Re:It's all about.... by lspd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "They wanted unlimited access to the buildings, which we could not give to anyone in the media," said Gloria Roemer, a spokesperson for Harris County, which has jurisdiction over the Astrodome complex. Currently reporters are allowed in only on 15-minute guided tours.

    Now this makes perfect sense... If you're a refugee forced to live in a room with 10,000 other people do you really want reporters taking pictures and invading what little privacy you have?

  25. Re:"We are still in hurricane season," by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Not anymore. The bush administration spun and spun, but the political pressure got to them, and they had to move him out of the way.

    Google news

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  26. Re:Sheesh, just get a CB... by RentonSentinel · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Let me underline it for you then.

    We elected the Federal government and its policies.

    The people running this radio station are unelected and could potentially introduce an UNKNOWN or UNCONTROLLED element into an already chaotic situation.

    This is not helpful in times of crisis.

    If a low-power station is needed so desperately, THE ELECTED CONTROLLING AGENCY is free to set one up at any time.

    UNELECTED FREELANCERS wanting to set up radio, a Puppet Show, a TV station, a Broadway Musical, or inspirational Irish Dancing, cannot be allowed to come willy nilly and interrupt such an operation.

    Deal with it...

  27. Houston IndyMedia? by daveschroeder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Um, come on, guys.

    You want a radio station catering to the evacuees run by people who literally believe things like the Bush administration is not only responsible for the poor response[1], but is actually responsible for the hurricane itself? Or who would invite those who believe the levees were blown up by the government as a plot to remove all of the black people from New Orleans so the rich whites could take it over? (After all, they needed more room!)

    Yeah, that'll really help the situation!

    Bullshit. In an emergency housing situation, the infrastructure at the facility, the facility-wide loudspeaker system, and newsletters/handouts/flyers are *more* than enough to disseminate information. We don't need a bunch of self-righteous radicals inciting people who already believe the government wanted to kill them.

    In an alternate reality where this station was allowed, run with the agenda that Houston IndyMedia and Village Voice certainly has, many evacuees would no doubt be incited, and the authorities would *still* be blamed for "not getting them out of temporary housing fast enough" or "not responding to their needs fast enough", even though Texas and Houston have gone completely out of their way to assist in any way possible.

    I guess a lot of people can and do look a gift horse in the mouth.

    [1] As an aside, someone said in other post "look at the difference between 9/11 and NOLA...rich white financial district, and help was there within 5 minutes", etc. Um, hello? Who responded to 9/11 in NYC itself? Local authorities. Who *didn't* respond in a satisfactory fashion in NOLA? The same. Oh, wait, let me guess: it's not a state and local municipal responsibility, it was somehow magically a federal one? Just sent thousands of people to a fucking convention center and football stadium with NO PLAN whatever, save "waiting for the feds"? Yeah, real smart, folks.

  28. What is required for me to do this? (FM station) by JPriest · · Score: 2, Insightful
    This might make a great ask.slashdot question and maybe a cool home project. What do I have to go through to broadcast from AM or FM from my home? What equipment (HAM?) would you suggest using to do so?

    Is there additional requirements to broadcasting non-royalty free music? If I do decide to broadcast music then how much do I pay and to whom? I would LOVE to learn more about this.

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  29. Re:It's all about.... by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Right, because you see lots of photographs on the radio. Good call.

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  30. Re:It's all about.... by Zangief · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now this makes perfect sense... If you're a refugee forced to live in a room with 10,000 other people do you really want reporters taking pictures and invading what little privacy you have?

    Yes, so the world can know about the conditions you are living in, and can press the authorities about it.

  31. it's the two by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    cooperating criminal cartels that have hijacked governments all over. No place in any constitution does it give total control of government to two political parties, but it sure as heck is set up that way now. They play act as being opposites in public, in private they just divvy up the spoils and run government as a fatcat easy jobs program service. Wouldn't bother me at all if an asteroid hit inside the beltway.

    And to any people still voting for either of those gangs--why? Really, why? How many clues do you really need to see the system is so far corrupt that it is a total disaster? How many generations will it take to bingo to the fact that it's gone to despotism and incompetence? Isn't that a rather stupid and dangerous combination to keep supporting? How many 2 and 4 year voting cycles do you need to go through before you notice that NOTHING CHANGES? And working for them, "following orders"?? Double why? Don't you have any sense of deceny left, is a paycheck all that important? You can't be part of those gangs without compromising yourself, no matter how well intentioned or honest you might personally be, the system and your bosses are crooks, liars, thieves, murderers and general scumbags. And that is when they are being nice.

    Get a real honest job, they are still out there. The system will not change as long as people support it. That is reality.

  32. Re:Insightful! by EnderWiggnz · · Score: 2, Insightful


    freedom of the press.

    freedom of speech.

    these american citizens have every right to set up their own radio station.

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  33. Re:Racism and "refugees"/evacuees by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'm glad I'm not the only one who was wondering about the correctness of 'evacuees'. That was just weird sounding to me.

    The problem isn't that they have been 'evacuated', the problem is, in fact, they have been left without a place to live, and must take refuge elsewhere.

    If their problem was being evacuees, we could just put them back and solve their problem. Evacuees are just people who have exited somewhere because they were forced to.

    Evacuees were what the people were who drove out were before the city was flooded. When they could not return, or after they got evacuated after staying in the city, they became refugees, people who were left without a home, money, or possessions because of some outside force.

    And refugees only had negative connotations if you were an asshole anyway. Maybe instead of worrying about what these refugees are called, people should stop thinking 'refugees' are bad.

    Let's not blithely let people get away with the concept that 'refugees==bad'.

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  34. Remove Tinfoil Hats by serutan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Low-level administrators are usually fearful of saying YES to anything that they can't control. I don't think you have to look for a more elaborate motive than that. It just seems to go with the personality type, which I refer to as "hall monitors." They are good at carrying out decisions made by higher-ups, but when asked to authorize something on their own initiative their default response is NO.