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An Experiment in A New Kind of Music

waynegoode writes "Stephen Wolfram's Wolfram Research has produced an new application: WolframTones-- 'An Experiment in A New Kind of Music'. It combines the principles in Stephen's book, 'A New Kind of Science' and Mathematica to 'instantly create unique music' in many different styles. They describe it as pretty neat as well as being scientifically interesting, and useful. After listening to some compositions and creating a few random ones myself, I must agree that it is. And anyone who has listen to the radio the last few years could certainly use some unique music."

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  1. Zamyatkin's We by silvergoose · · Score: 5, Informative
    Anyone else read Zamyatkin's We?

    Scary, scary idea. A paraphrase from it: 'Composition was once a sort of trance where slightly insane people wrote music down feverishly. Our way, based on mathematics, is much better. Regular, based on curves and graphs.'

  2. All right overall by The+Madd+Rapper · · Score: 2, Informative

    These sound like video game stage music. Maybe it's just the MIDI. But I don't know; I could envision an RPG or Megaman or fighting game to every tone it generated. Maybe someone's job just got a lot easier.

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    1. Re:All right overall by earnest+murderer · · Score: 4, Informative

      Agreed, windows ships with such a lousy synth and samples it's near impossible for midi files to sound anything like music. There are pleanty of freely available samples (ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/awe32/soundfonts/8Re alGS20.zip - should help considerably) and you can find something that will improve the experience considerably.

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  3. New? by opencity · · Score: 2, Informative

    I listened to the first few and, at best, they sound like something you'd skip over on a CZ101. Perhaps I should read the hype before commenting but elevator-electronic music has been around since ... [insert Moog (RIP) ref here].

    Without anything approaching Steve Reich or any of the techno programmers of the last 20 or so years I don't see why this is interesting. They already have computers that can write music (see: Babyface)

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  4. Re: Wolfram by Sartak · · Score: 5, Informative

    On pages 7-10:

    Physics: "In the future of physics the greatest triumph would undoubtedly be to find a truly fundamental theory for our whole universe. Yet despite occasional optimism, traditional approaches do not make this seem close at hand. But with the methods and intuition I develop in this book there is I believe finally a serious possibility that such a theory can actually be found."

    Social Sciences: "...I suspect that one will often have a much better chance of capturing fundamental mechanisms for phenomena in the social sciences by using instead the new kind of science that I develop in this book based on simple programs."

    Computer Science: "One consequence [of this book's material] is a dramatic broadening of the domain to which computational ideas can be applied--in particular to include all sorts of fundamental questions about nature and about mathematics."

    Philosophy: "But my discoveries in this book lead to radically new intuition. And with this intuition it turns out that one can for the first time began to see resolutions to many longstanding issues..."

    There's plenty more where this came from.

  5. Not music by delta_avi_delta · · Score: 4, Informative

    When it comes down to it, this is a way of interpretting a psuedeo random series of dots in a grid. Saying it's a "new kind of music" is a bit misleading - There's no flow, no beginning, no middle, no end. It's a new way of randomly generating midi note events within certain constraints.

  6. reminds me of an amiga program by speculatrix · · Score: 2, Informative
    I remember an early amiga program which generated music and had this sort of graphical display - lines, blocks etc.

    I think it was "Instant Music" from Electronic arts, but I can't be sure. I'd have to go into my attic to find the disk... and the Amiga.

    Ok, the algorithm might me more sophisticated to generate something less apparently random noise, but I wouldn't rush out to buy the "music" it generates.

  7. Prior art? by Google85 · · Score: 2, Informative

    From "Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency" By "Douglas Adams" (Talking About a Financial
    spreadsheet program for the Mac) :
    'You see, any aspect of a piece of music can be expressed as a sequence or pattern of numbers,'
    enthused Richard. 'Numbers can express the pitch of notes, the length of notes, patterns of pitches and
    lengths.'
    'You mean tunes,' said Reg. The carrot had not moved yet.
    Richard grinned.
    'Tunes would be a very good word for it. I must remember that.'
    'It would help you speak more easily.' Reg returned the carrot to his plate, untasted. 'And this
    software did well, then?' he asked.
    'Not so much here. The yearly accounts of most British companies emerged sounding like the Dead
    March from Saul, but in Japan they went for it like a pack of rats. It produced lots of cheery company
    anthems that started well, but if you were going to criticise you'd probably say that they tended to get a
    bit loud and squeaky at the end. Did spectacular business in the States, which was the main thing,
    commercially. Though the thing that's interesting me most now is what happens if you leave the accounts
    out of it. Turn the numbers that represent the way a swallow's wings beat directly into music. What
    would you hear? Not the sound of cash registers, according to Gordon.'

  8. Re:Too bad it requires QuickTime by baadger · · Score: 3, Informative
    Windows users: Follow sister post's URL and complete quicktime midi configuration instructions. It works well with Quicktime Alternative just go via control panel, quicktime, browser tab.

    To bypass all the javascript and all other shit:
    1. Grab the URL from the bottom of the generate page
      • http://tones.wolfram.com/id/Ge0VOcDtDGMSHE1qTfMi 30N7BgRQF8HB4rsF1vv3MUZQOob
    2. Take the ID from the end
      • Ge0VOcDtDGMSHE1qTfMi30N7BgRQF8HB4rsF1vv3MUZQOob
    3. Append this to http://tones.wolfram.com/SMSMathematica/NKM/sound. jsp?id=
    4. Open it in your browser.
    5. No shit (profit!)
  9. To download the ringtone in MIDI format by ICECommander · · Score: 2, Informative

    In Firefox:
    1. Go to Tools.
    2. Page Info.
    3. Media.
    4. Click on the link whose type is "Embed"
    5. Click "Save As..."
    You can then use iTunes or a program of your choice to change it to another format. Enjoy.

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