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Five Ways To Save Video Games

Games.net has an article up with the somewhat dramatic title of Five Ways to Save Video Games. The piece doesn't feel the need to pull any punches. From the article: "#1 Stop Treating Women Like Whores - Sexy is fine. Titillating can be fun. But when you show stupid jiggle-physics and scantily-clad girls cooing and moaning and wriggling, you show yourselves for what you really are: sex-crazed children. And don't think for a minute that the mainstream media doesn't pick up on this. If you can't stop demeaning women (with skimpy outfits and hyper-sexuality) and men (by glamorizing massive musculature and testosterone-dripping masculinity), then get the hell out of the industry."

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  1. Skimpy outfits? by Jare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems 90% of the world is a sex-crazed children, if advertisments are anything to go by. From cars to perfume to... yeah pretty much anything adheres to the "skimpy outfits + huge muscles" trend. Don't even get me started on movies.

  2. 1st point is totally exaggerated... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "#1 Stop Treating Women Like Whores"

    On the grounds of taste, I'd like to agree, but I don't think it matters overall to gaming's future successes. There are plenty of films and music videos that portray women as sex objects and do well out of it. Here's a great example:
    http://www.internetdj.com/watch_video.php?op=watch &mediaid=15089&feature=1

  3. stop and think by FidelCatsro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am a Man , I like seeing women in skimpy outfits .I do not view them as inferior or lessor beings because some women choose to wear something titillating . In fact I admire their courage and their bodies.
    I like jiggling breasts .. It's natural for straight guys to like these types of things.
    It is not Evil or wrong for Games to portray this .

    They are not treating them as whores , they are treating them as beautiful examples of the female form.
    I am not a sexist and believe women deserve equal rights in all things. The fact remains that men like to see scantily clad women and that is not going to change because a few prudes consider this demeaning .
    We are not immature idiots , we know that most real women are not like this , but let us keep our fantasies please.(some women also enjoy scantily clad men , look at the success of male strippers )

    The complaints about the story lines are silly , some games have better plots than others .. but the most important thing is the game-play . Sure a few stories are rather similar and have some plot holes .. but you would think that these people have never read works of literature .. I can tell you from experience that the same things happen even in the greatest of literary works .

    After all these are just games and centre around the interactivity aspect of the story . Sure they do sometimes follow the Hero save damsel from villain plot but honestly it is a tried and true format that works well.

    Special effects can be rather cool , So long as they are not over-used or inappropriately used (or lacking inappropriately ).

    Cinematic experiences can be part of the games style , what is wrong with that . I don't have much to say on this part as it's really not worth commenting on

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    The only things certain in war are Propaganda and Death. You can never be sure which is which though
    1. Re:stop and think by realityfighter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let me see how delicately I can put this...

      I am a woman. I disagree. Games like Rumble Roses and Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball make me feel pretty shitty. The kind of "appreciation" you're expressing makes me feel pretty shitty, because for most men that appreciation comes before all others. It's demeaning to those of us who actually work to do something of value and meaning with our lives, to have our accomplishments swept aside by that natural titty lust. And somehow you expect a woman to like it simply because you're complimenting her body. What you don't understand is that most of the time what we want is appreciation for what we have done, not for the incidental shape of our tits. (And for those guys who say, "Gee, I wish people treated me like a sex object, hur hur hur!" - No, you don't. Trust me.)

      If your body, which is something you have simply by virtue of existing, is the sole reason that people pay attention to you, what worth are your mind, soul, personality, opinions - in essence, the things that make up your sense of self? There's not much value in being "appreciated" like this all the time. Now think about how you would feel if you were ignored for a CGI image of a better body than yours - and probably "better" because you chose to spend your days, say, coding or writing instead of primping and dieting?

      Again, this may not reflect how you feel or act, and I don't mean to say that this kind of portrayal is Eeevil in the moral sense. All I'm saying is that you might want to know what goes through my head when I, an actual woman, see a game like this, and why it makes me feel degraded.

      I can feel a wave of moronic, misogynistic replies coming because of this post. I'm sorry, guys. If you don't want to understand things like this, it's not our fault that women seem mysterious to you.

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      A strain of paranoid prevention can be worse than the disease, whate'er the intention.
    2. Re:stop and think by FidelCatsro · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Look at the men in those games ... seriously Do you think most of us guys have a single hope in hell of ever looking like that . The men's bodies are as much idealised as the women's.
      Most men even if they sat and worked out constantly could never attain these looks couldn't .Well without major plastic surgery and steroid injections .. about the same thing women would have to do to look like those characters .The men are in the stereotypical roles that most of us would not want to fill in real life And the normal guy is ignored in favour of the Adonis type fable .

      So why am I not offended by it .

      I will tell you how at least one man feels.
      I feel that I am secure in myself as a person .I don't need to feel inadequate just because I don't fit some idealised model of what some people think is normal .

      You are perpetuating a stereotype of men as immature and driven by physical attraction , men who blindly lust after stereotypes . Some men do , just as some women do .
      Men are not from mars , women are not from Venus .. bar a few extremely minor genetic alterations .. we are not that different .

      This is how you feel as a specific woman and maybe a lot of other women feel like that .Honestly you shouldn't , there is no need to and the only person making you feel bad is you. Perhaps that some total immature prats .. and trust me there are women who are just the same and who make men feel bad about the way they look.

      What it all boils down to is the separation between reality and fantasy
      Do you really think I want to be some Adonis killing machine who has relationships with women who have the IQ of a watermelon . In real life ..not a hope in hell , but it makes for some great escapism . That's why it sells , People don't want games that reflect real life.

      I have been married for a number of years to a wonderful intelligent woman who I think is the most beautiful thing in the world on all levels. She also does not fit in these stereotypes.

      I apologise if this reply seems moronic or misogynist , It was not intended to .It was intended to be egalitarian and give you a little perspective into the male psyche and how I as one man view these things. I would hate to think I am the only man like this but i know for a fact I am not .

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      The only things certain in war are Propaganda and Death. You can never be sure which is which though
  4. The Attack of the Straw Men by tolendante · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Ok, so here's a big one. Why is it that half the games on the market begin with your character as the sole survivor of some mysterious holocaust?"

    Hey, I've got an answer for him...they don't. Using hyperbole like this to establish an argument when there are actual real issues that could be discussed is simply bad writing. There are many ways to see that this is a straw man argument. An examination of the past year's releases and the upcoming year's releases shows how lame this argument is. Of the Top 10 releases of 2004, none involve a character who is the "sole survivor of some holocaust." Actually, none are close, though we almost got a holocaust in Halo 2 and we likely will in Halo 3:

    • 1. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2) - 5.1 million
    • 2. Halo 2 (Xbox) - 4.2 million
    • 3. Madden NFL 2005 (PS2) - 3.2 million
    • 4. ESPN NFL 2K5 (PS2) - 1.5 million
    • 5. Need for Speed Underground 2 (PS2) - 1.4 million
    • 6. Pokémon FireRed (with adapter) (GBA) - 1.2 million
    • 7. NBA Live 2005 (PS2) - 1.2 million
    • 8. Spider-Man 2 (PS2) - 1.1 million
    • 9. Halo: Combat Evolved (Xbox) - 1.1 million
    • 10. ESPN NFL 2K5 (Xbox)- 1.0 million

    (Note: I'm not interested in his other points at the moment, but it doesn't look like jiggly boobs and a cinematic experience hurt GTA sales all that much and I'm not sure that any of the other titles included T&A. Heck, less than half of them featured a "hero" as the main character. GTA, and arguably the Halo games, feature an anti-hero. The sports games don't focus on a single character, nor do the racing games. So, only Halo, Halo 2, Spiderman, and Pokemon have the player playing as a hero. Only GTA features T&A. Only GTA, Spider-man, and the Halo games feature cinematic cut scenes. Of those, only the Halo games commit his sin of being, God forbid, Epic. I'm not aware that any of the games have you getting captured half-way through the game and having to recover your weapons. I've played lots of games that had you do that back in the 90's. I don't think I've played a single one on the current consoles, but I might be forgetting something.)

    Additionally, here is a list of the upcoming releases on the PS2 as previewed by one of the major video game sites. I have marked the ones that don't feature a solo hero in a post-holocaust setting.

    • Jak X: Combat Racing****
    • Ratchet: Deadlocked****
    • World Poker Tour 2K6****
    • Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks****
    • The Sims 2****
    • The Incredibles: Rise of the Underminer****
    • Tak: The Great Juju Challenge****
    • Brothers in Arms: Earned in Blood****
    • Full Spectrum Warrior: Ten Hammers****
    • True Crime: New York City****
    • Driver: Parallel Lines****
    • X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse****
    • Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire****
    • Heroes of the Pacific****
    • Ultimate Spider-Man****
    • World Racing 2****
    • Gene Troopers
    • DT Racer****
    • S.L.A.I. -Steel Lancer Arena International-****
    • Knights of the Temple 2****
    • Radiata Stories****
    • Conflict: Global Terror****
    • One Piece Grand Battle!****
    • EyeToy: Kinetic****
    • Ponkotsu Roman Daikatsugeki Bumpy Trot****
    • Evil Dead Regeneration
    • Pac-Man World 3****
    • World Series of Poker****
    • Ryu Ga Gotoku****
    • Shining Force Neo****
    • Guitar Hero****
    • NASCAR 06: Total Team Control****
    • StarCraft: Ghost
    • Black
    • 24: The Game****
    • James Bond 007: From Russia With Love****
    • Sly 3: Honor Among Thieves****
    • Aeon Flux
    • Fatal Frame III: The Tormented****
    • Trapt****
    • The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe****
    • Call of Duty 2: Big Red One****
    • Crash Tag Team Racing****
    • Total Overdose: A Gunslinger's Tale in Mexico****
    • Pri
  5. Stop whining by Gravedigger3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wow i've seen this same article written by 15 different people. Its ironic to see a writer complaining about originallity as he writes the same complaints that have been posted dozens of times on a number of different sites.

    And for the record I LOVE having hot busty women and big testorone filled guys in my games. I dont want to play DOA with some 45 year old fat chick that looks like the lunchlady from my old high school. And i dont want the hero of Far Cry to be some gangly redneck with a beer belly.

    We are playing games to escape into a fantasy world and I want to see fantasy characters. I love the hot chicks in revealing clothes and the tough guys with big muscles and so do most people i know personally. In fact I have never met anyone who complained that the chicks were "too revealing in DOA" or that the main character in Halo was "too tough"

    If you want real life go walk around outside. If you want hero's and fantasy worlds and hot women with unrealistic proportions play games.

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    All you touch and all you see is all your life will ever be. -PF