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Novell Under Pressure From Investors

UltimaGuy writes "The pressure is growing on Novell Inc's management to make major strategic changes after a regulatory filing revealed a Novell shareholder has joined Credit Suisse First Boston in calling for change at the identity management and Linux vendor. The steps proposed by the investment firm include cutting costs by targeting Novell's two corporate jets, its 'overstaffed' R&D department, legacy products, and its 400 NetWare engineers, as well as selling non-core businesses to enable funds to be redeployed."

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  1. Overstaffed R&D by aapold · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I guess it just doesn't pay to do your own research these days.

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    1. Re:Overstaffed R&D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That depends on whether you're looking at it from the perspective of a greedy money grabbing investor (share-holder value and all that), or someone who enjoys doing a job well.

    2. Re:Overstaffed R&D by madman101 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not when one of your basic products is given away free. Novell isn't like IBM where the goal is moving hardware.

    3. Re:Overstaffed R&D by Trigun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, and Novell's goal isn't to go out of business either. They made a few choice acquisitions, then went into an R&D cycle, and are now going into their sales cycle. Unfortunately the stock traders wanted it to happen faster.

      Novell is doing great things for linux. Their integrators are second to none, and soon you'll see tools from both Novell and Red Hat that shape the linux server and desktop market. Novell's Hula project (thanks to whoever posted that link in the Groupware roundup), Red Hat's directory server, and the management tools that both of these companies have released under the GPL are set to create an easily managed platform without the prohibitive start-up costs of a pure MS platform for the SME market.

    4. Re:Overstaffed R&D by Brunellus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      R&D is something you can't skim on, and HP found that out hopefully.

      Wishful thinking. R&D pays off long after the investors have sold off their shares; so the investors really don't give a fig about R&D that doesn't bear immediate, marketable fruit.

    5. Re:Overstaffed R&D by sgtrock · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Um, not to be too pedantic or anything, but IBM still makes a fleetload of money on selling mainframe hardware.

      (Yes, I know, they now make far more on support, services, and software licenses. They /still/ have a profitable hardware division, though.)

      fleetload == many many boatloads. :)

  2. While I can possibly see... by cnelzie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...cutting costs by eliminating Corporate Jet Expenses, a technology company shouldn't be cutting its R&D Department because some MBA Holding Investment Firm thinks it is overstaffed.

        Granted, if the firm discovered that 80% of the R&D staff isn't actually doing anything outside of playing QuakeIII or something, then yeah, they should be cut, a little...

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    1. Re:While I can possibly see... by jmcmunn · · Score: 5, Insightful


      I completely agree. They are never going to release an innovative product for the future if they fire the engineers and cut R&D. Corporate jets, however, are simply not necessary in a world where anyone can be across the country on a commercial airline at the drop of a hat. They could even (gasp) fly coach to save money like the rest of us.

  3. Why does it have to happen...... by amodm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that investment firms and R&D don't go together well......

    I know that not everyone in R&D is a brilliant scientist, but in the long run, its the R&D that helps the industry move forward

    On a side note however, anything worthwhile coming out of Novell's R&D these days ?

    1. Re:Why does it have to happen...... by PetoskeyGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think the current trend is let little companies do R&D and survive or not. If they do well buy them out.

      Of course what ends up happening after they buy out is like picking a flower, it tends to kill what once made it bloom in the first place.

    2. Re:Why does it have to happen...... by Trepalium · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If you look at all the proposals in that article, none of them are really for Novell's benefit. A $500M share repurchase program would push the share prices up, while depleting Novell's cash. Divesting their divisions would largely hurt the company's integration between their products. But again, it would raise money for the company, and bolster the stock prices.

      The entire "proposal" seems to me is an attempt bump the stock price up so they can sell off. I seriously doubt they have the best interests of the corporation in mind. Their proposal has shades of recent HP management -- hitting short term goals (Profit!!), while ignoring the long term health of the company.

      As for Novell R&D, they've got iFolder, Hula mail and calendar server, and Mono. There's a few other things on Novell's Forge site, but they're not as "sexy" or even as useful as those other projects.

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  4. "its 'overstaffed' R&D department?" by starseeker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know about Novell, so perhaps they do have too many people, but I must say I'm rather alarmed the article mentions R&D being overstaffed and no other department. Most companies don't go all out hiring R&D folks to begin with - that's one of the things that makes Google so unusual - so they don't tend to be overstocked in R&D in the first place. I wonder if this fits in with the recent trend in corporate America to view R&D as a luxury and money sinkhole. Since the benefits don't show up next quarter, chop them off to look better in short term costs. Never mind five or ten years down the road when you need new products to stay competitive and don't have any.

    Does ANYBODY in the US think long term anymore and still have influence in corporate or government circles? Maybe they're all thinking that if everybody else is also dumping R&D, everyone will still be competitive, and it will only be the consumer that gets stuck with static technology and gradually decreasing quality. (Price wars with no quality differential do that, since consumers tend to be bad in the short term at distinguishing good products from bad.)

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    1. Re:"its 'overstaffed' R&D department?" by erroneus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Current trends seem to indicate that R&D is best "procured" rather than done in-house. This can be accomplished in a variety of ways, but mostly, they just buy the small companies and individuals that make cool new stuff and call it their own. Kinda sucks how parasitic the corporate worlds have become.

    2. Re:"its 'overstaffed' R&D department?" by unother · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's more pernicious than that, even, when looked at directly:

      Company A slashes its research budget. Stock price rises in response.

      Two researchers bootstrap a new research effort and eventually win venture capital. No longer in control of the enterprise due to the need for greater capital for their effort, it begins to bear fruit.

      Company A comes back in, and "buys" the startup from the venture capitalists with their inflated stock.

      As you can see, in this admittedly terse example, the financiers win in every sense of the word here. The researchers are forced into a fight-or-starve mode, and they do not get much overall benefit from their research. "On the books", however, it's a win-win scenario: for the original company, and the intermediary financiers (the VCs).

    3. Re:"its 'overstaffed' R&D department?" by infochuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Does ANYBODY in the US think long term anymore...

      To be perfectly fiar, it's not 'poeple in the US'; it's investment banking firms in the US.

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  5. Re:Sun Could Possibly Buy Novell? by MoralHazard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How does that relate to the issue of shareholders pressuring Novell to shape up? I didn't see anything in the article talking about a buyout happening anytime soon. Can you explain where you make that connection?

    I mean, sure, it's possible in the future that they might get bought, but Novell is talking about a 2+ year plan to reshape themselves... Not exactly sounding like "sale", there.

    What kind of time frame are you talking about, anyway?

  6. F/OSS, meet Wall Street by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't imagine two more disparate mindsets. There is no way Wall Street's greed and F/OSS's idealism can be simultaneously realized. If the managers at Novell had any spine, they'd tell Wall Street to take a hike, and instead worry about running the business. You can have a healthy profitable business without being obsessed with the cancer of promising ever-increasing returns to investers. If Novell wants to survive, they should go private, focus on making their customers happy, accept reasonable pay for their work, and not feel inadequate for lack of achieving world domination. Or they could do what every other Wall Street whore does, promise the impossible, sacrifice quality an people's lives in the process, build a lot of sand castles, and ultimately add nothing of permanant value to the world.

    1. Re:F/OSS, meet Wall Street by Brunellus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Once you have tasted the fruit of the Tree of Public Investment, never again will you enter the paradise of telling the Street to get stuffed.

  7. 400 NetWare engineers?? by Spy+Handler · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I don't suppose that means 400 CNEs.... they must be talking about 400 software engineers working on Netware.

    Since they're proposing to cut 400 guys, that must mean that the actual Netware development team is some number larger than 400. Why so many guys are still working on a dead-end product with no future is beyond me.

    1. Re:400 NetWare engineers?? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Novell has to keep Netware support rolling along, while at the same time convincing PHBs (like mine) that Linux is perfectly acceptable for large scale mission critical deployments.

      I always thought of Netware as a product, rather than an OS.

      If the next version of Netware looked exactly the same, could still run the NLM's you have, but the kernel was replaced with Linux, and there was no perceptible difference, would anybody care? (OK, I haven't run Netware since Linux became stable so I don't know if there really are NLM's anymore)

      Would the next upgrade then be an easier sell (but sir, we're already running Linux...)?

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  8. Set it up for a sale... by MosesJones · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Cut back the corporate trappings, strip down to a core offering and get ready for a sale. Stripping down R&D to just what the market wants will help with that as well.

    IBM to buy Novell?
    Sun to buy Novell?
    Private Equity to buy Novell?

    Or alternative, Novell to flounder as they loose sight of any strategic direction while they look for a market exit.

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  9. Re:The slashdot angle by bfree · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, I'm sure that is what an investment firm with a 5% stake is after. Those jets are certainly one of the more profitable divisions.

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  10. Because slashdot hates corps doing R&D by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or at least, article summaries that completely miss the point about true R&D costs get a lot of screen time. When large companies engage in expensive R&D, they cover those costs by (gasp!) charging people for their products. True for new AMD chips, true for super-duper antibiotics, and true (however indirectly, and not obvious to a lot of people) for Google, too.

    Does ANYBODY in the US think long term anymore and still have influence in corporate or government circles?

    I think the better question is, do many companies still have the balls to explain to their customers why fancy new products cost what they cost? And, does the nitwitted consuming end of the culture, so saturated with the pernicious concept that every company charging them for a product or service is "evil," still have the intellectual honesty to look at the larger picture? Calling it like it is has become so unfashionable that we're just sinking in a swamp of mediocrity (or trying to, it seems) rather than teaching basic economics in grade school, where what's left of critical thinking might still be salvaged. By the time people become consumers and investors, they're so disconnected from causal relationships that they can't connect the dots between investment, innovation, time, risk, and cool new technologies.

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    1. Re:Because slashdot hates corps doing R&D by demachina · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Chinese have developed some really slick solutions to this problem:

      A. Reverse engineer products developed at great expense by Western companies and then undersell them at a fraction of the price because you don't have any R&D expense and your labor is cheaper. Reverse engineering costs something but nothing compared to what original R&D costs.

      B. Place conditions on Western business who want access to your markets that they transfer manufacturering and R&D to China and employ Chinese workers. Inevitably all of the companies IP is transfered in the process, plus all the new IP will be developed in China by Chinese workers and engineers, at the expense of the Western companies. Once the Chinese are up to speed they quit and start their own company doing exactly the same thing and put their former benefactors out of business.

      The only flaw in this plan is eventually all of their Western benefactors will go out of business and they will eventually have to start paying for their own R&D. This is probably OK because at that point they will own the world.

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  13. The real question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is Novell making money? Ignore the stock price, that has little to nothing to do with if Novell operates at a profit or loss. If they are making money, tell the MBA's to go take a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut. See also: Costco.

  14. Pirates ahoy by FishandChips · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ah, glad to see /. is keeping up with traditions as this one has been well covered on osnews.com for a day now.

    I guess a few ghastly, greedy "investors" fronted by teenage analysts are now circling Novell, scenting blood and booty. My understanding is that Novell is nowhere near profitability and the gap between declining Netware revenue and new Linux revenue is alarming. But Novell does have quite a lot of cash in hand and is entangled with IBM via the SuSE acquisition. I'd guess some of the Wall Street greed merchants are hoping for a takeover or a dismemberment, with IBM being greenmailed into picking up a very large tab on the Linux side because losing SuSE would be too painful for them.

    Of course, the little shits don't pitch it like that, just calling for better management.

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  15. Re:Typical network admin by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So you see if it makes a problem for someone to fix rather than ask first?

    Please actually read all of the words in a comment before jumping to that conclusion. We asked. Everybody. No one knows what role the machine is playing. No one working there has any Novell experience, and can't imagine actually choosing that platform for anything.

    And since the machine was crashy, we sure don't want to leave it cooking when it might be corrupting (or losing) data. Man you are the typical network admin

    No, I'm there to clean up after the "typical network admin" who let that machine into the rack, undocumented, with no information about what it does, for whom, if anything. Better to let some dead-end machine, with an unknown security arrangement - possibly including credentials from long-gone employees, hum along on the network, crashing sometimes as it sees fit, just keep doing its mysterious thing? The end users had no idea that the machine was there or might need attention, and they hadn't budgeted for any forensics work along those lines. The consensus among the users of the network was to power the machine down until more became obvious or could be discovered in a round of calls/e-mails to now-absent users.

    Nice smear, though! Did I really need to go into all of that just to make a point about creaky old Novell stuff lingering on a network? Have a swell day.

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  16. Legacy Software by Sylven_1969 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Everyone knows that there are still places out there with Novell 3.12 servers still in place and cranking away day after day. I do agree that 400(+/- a few) Netware Engineers is ridiculous. Keep about a dozen of the best you have to support your legacy systems from now till Hell Freezes over if that's what it takes but don't alienate and leave those that supported the companies beginnings high and dry of tech-support. They should at least offer the rest of those engineers re-training in Linux as apposed to just cutting the guilotine rope and letting it fall on them. Of course the shareholders are only interested in the green bottom line and re-training high dollar employees is much more expensive than hiring in entry level green meat. I think that companies should have a legal responsibility to those employees that stay with them for years through thick and thin. I've seen too many people pour their entire lives into a job/company for 30 years just to be cut loose at a moments notice without as much as an explanation and/or "thanks for your years of loyalty to us". I personally think that it should be a law that for every five years you work for a place they owe you 1 year of salary based on your yearly average over that 5 years. That way if they decide to dump you for no reason you have a year to recover mentally/emotionally/financially from the impact of what can be a very trying time in a persons life. I know we have unemployment but that's not the same, I'm not talking about a percentage paid to you by the company I mean that if I got fired today I would have the next 12 months pay come in just like normal and I could take my time planning my next career move. Oh well , nothing but a pipe dream I'm sure, dreaming isn't so bad a thing though :)

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  17. Investors want to turn Novell into HP by Reziac · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The investors obviously looked at the "success" of HP's gutting their R&D Dept. and decided that Novell should emulate HP.

    Methinks it's time for more companies to consider going back to being privately held (as Corel did), so as not to be at the mercy of investors who can't see beyond today's bottom line.

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  18. I hope Trolltech keeps this in mind by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I hope Trolltech keeps this in mind and backs off on both considering an IPO and hiring MS staff to the board.

    Once you go public, the company is burdened with a need to focus on short term advantages at the cost of long term development. Quarterly or monthly balances take precedence over longer term plans unfortunately, even if the longer term plans would net more profit.

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  19. What this is about by johansalk · · Score: 2, Insightful



    This is about share price. Nothing else. Fire a bunch of people and some similar shenanigans so that the share price would increase and those shareholders can cash in and go off to do the same to other companies.

    It has nothing to do with what's good for the company, just what's profitable in the immediate for those particular shareholder.

    Same thing is happening at Time Warner, with one of the corprorate raiders of the 1980s who's now one of their shareholders and making a noise for them to sell off lots of good stuff and repurchase their shares so that the share price would increase and he would cash in.

    This is the disease of the American economy.