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Open Source Code Finds Way into Microsoft Release
linumax tells us eWeek is reporting that Microsoft, for the first time, has included open source code in the release of one of their products. The Complete Cluster Edition of Windows Server 2003 will be including the Message Passing Interface (MPI) library. From the article: "MPI is key middleware that was designed by a consortia of all the supercomputing vendors in the 1990s to allow the easy portability of code. It abstracts away things like low-latency interconnect, and our focus is making it super easy for ISVs to move their code."
Didn't they use BSD's TCP/IP stack? I don't see how this is the first time Open Source code made it into an MS product.
If you get Services for UNIX (a free download now) you'll find it contains some GPL software, and notes this fact.
Also depends on what you mean by "open source" Microsoft has used a lot of BSD code, they just don't release the modifications since they are not required to. However even GPL code they've used some of, and they you can get the source (for what it's worth, it's just things like bash).
what about http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/sfu/p roductinfo/features/default.mspx">windows services for unix?
It's BSD, not GPL. They can do what they want with it.
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that the argument about quality and such of OSS is no longer valid? If MS keeps using F/OSS, doesn't that actually validate the quality and value of F/OSS?
The more F/OSS code that is included in MS products, the more they take on the RedHat business model? Or am I just not seeing things the right way?
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Because that really means, "productive people working for the sake of slackers." I'm not equal to everyone else, and have no problem with recognition of the fact. I should get more than most people.
Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
Funny how the windows vulnerabilities and the vulnerabilities of Zlib appeared at the same time.
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Try to say "I should get less than some people", it is logically equivalent but somehow much harder to pronounce :-)
It fails horribly in practice, and therefore is a bad theory.
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Ignoring the BSD tcp/ip stack (which practically every OS uses some version thereof) and the ftp/telnet apps, and SFU (MKS utils and Interix subsystems)
M$ Doesn't dislike Open Source, they just don't like the GPL and its viral nature. I happen to agree to that too. Every newbie seems to release (or at least seemed to a few years ago, when they made their statement) their favourite program to the world under the GPL.
Previously these programmers would have released the code as shareware or public domain. But I've seen folk release 'trivial' (or just plain shite) software as GPL which I find laughable.
Anyway I'll stop there before I start foaming at the mouth. Nurse! Medication Please!
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The traditional sense of Open Source is the Open Source Definition, much in the same way that the traditional sense of Free Software is software that provides the FSFs list of essential freedoms.
zlib meets all the points in the Open Source definition and can therefore be called Open Source. So can any public domain software.
Oh yes, we all know it's the guys on the factory floor who play golf in the afternoon.
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Value is not necessrily measured by hours worked, nor calories expended. The guys on the factor floor make peanuts because they are easily replaced, not because anyone is exploiting them.
Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
People have such a negative image of communism.
Maybe because...oh, you beat me to it:
I'll be the first to admit that in practice, it fails horribly due to human nature
Communism is more head-in-the-clouds theoretical nonsense that doesn't actually work in the real world.
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Regardless of whether they're caught now, any violating act committed will always have been committed - they can't "take it back". So later, when lexical analysis decompilers can match binaries to source with 99.999% probability, despite obfuscating precompilation remixers, they'll risk getting caught. "Submarine GPL" actions might rake in many millions of dollars - the longer it takes to catch them, the higher the bill.
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From a company that has used Licensing and discount agreements to suppress competition....Hmmm.. from a company that are leaders in marketing hype... hmmm... from a company that has had numerious anti-trust cases against them....and being found guilty..
Yeah, I'd imagine anything that effectively counters that bully methodology would have to be preceived as something bad to the bully. bit flipping the connotation of viral would be what? Unstoppable counter measures...
Viral to what? Seems enough of the right parties are taking it up that the term viral is in fact just a connotation from teh POV of the bully. Who, BTW has even tried to come off as the little guy, like uh excuse me.... little as being the richest man in the world at one point?????
NO! I'm perfectly aware of the connoitation "viral" being attached to GPL by MS, and not OSS in general....
So how does it feel to get back at you some of the BS you have put out?
Trust me! MS called OSS viral..... When it suites them...
Seeing those not liking put on them. what they put on others. Now thats Funny!
True - there's a difference. But that's not what we're talking about. From Steve Ballmer's Sun Times interview:
Microsoft's executives (Ballmer, Gates, Mundie) had been pushing a rather alarmist interpretation as to what the GPL (and other licenses they labled as "viral") really meant. Meanwhile, Microsoft itself had been making use of GPLed code for years without any of their dire warnings coming true. There's your hypocracy on MS's part.
As far as making carbon-copies of existing applications... that doesn't take the GPL or other so-called "viral" licenses to do this. It could be done just as well with, say, the BSD license which Microsoft seems to favor within the Open Source world. And, of course, it could also be done just as easily with any form of proprietary license. And it has been done - by Microsoft and dozens of others. Welcome to the software industry.
So does this mean they are cool like Apple now for using Open Source technology in a product they sell?
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Can we start applauding them like we do Apple and put them on the same pedestal?
Are they are new heroes now, just like we made Apple when they started using Free Open Source technology instead of developing their own versions?
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Ever notice that every practice of communism is never the "true" communism? You, sir, need to check your premises. "Dictatorship of the proletariat" always turns out to mean "dictatorship of the man claiming to be the voice of the proleteriat." Call him the leader, der Fuhrer, or il Duce.
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It's like you finally convince one of your friends to come hang out at a nudist beach and then you point at their genitalia and laugh.
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So maybe they're warming up to the idea. That's cool. We don't have to make them uncomfortable.
Send them a beer and say "Bully for you!"
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Good marketing isn't the same as good capitalism. In pure capitalist theory if you make a better product you're bound to sell more than your competitors. However in the real world the advertising power of your competitor is more important. If that company has a heck of a lot more marketing power at its disposal then in most cases you're pretty much screwed.
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Alternatively, I would say the guys on the factor floor are exploited because they are easily replaced. In fact, this is the usual mechanism of exploitation since actual slavery was outlawed.
Some of the best ideas do come from the floor. But when the lot you work with's main concern is going on break and not the quality of work, it's easy to see why an engineer or manager would so readily ignor any suggestion. Management at my company has implemented a model to guage productivity. Rarely do I ever hear of suggestions to improve or speed up a process by those actually doing the job. They purposly take their time and half ass their work. Their first level managers specifically work them towards the model. Which means the model is severely inaccurate. Even though I work on the floor, I have a low opinion of these people and would likely ignor them myself.
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You will not have healthy people when the doctors don't care about the patients, and when there is not enough money to pay for the healthcare. And that is exactly what communism has done here (I live in eastern Europe), all doctors were paid the same, all hospitals did get the same subsidies, regardless of their achievements in caring for the patients. The result is that the doctors have no incentive to care for the patients, they get the exactly same amount of money regardless. And they still have this attitude, even after we have had capitalism for 15 years, because the healthcare is still free (paid by state) and all doctors still get the same wages. In fact the doctor's wages are one of the lowest in the economy (very unlike doctor's wages in the west) -- cca $700 per month, average salary of all people is cca $500, and that is because public healthcare is one of the last remaining communist "miracles" that we still have.
I would have thought that by the same token, it woundn't be too difficult to claim that what we've seen so far in the real world hasn't been perfect communism, either. It's been a mixture of communism and dictatorships.
for "most of your own citizens murdered by government?"
Just go look at East Germany today and you can see how well they were doing in the 1980's.
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