Financial Services Software for Linux?

Shakrai asks: "I find myself in the process of building a new computer system and at a crossroads for what OS to put on it. I have used Linux for years as a server for my home network and as a workstation dual booting with Windows. I have find myself unable to get away from Windows entirely because of the large amount of older games that I retain and still like to play. Nevertheless I am less then eager to pony up $80-$200 for a Windows license for my new box and I figure that I can learn to live without most of the Windows games that I enjoy. There still seems to be one stumbling block before I could totally abandon Windows though: Financial Services Software. For the last six years I have been quite the avid user of Quicken. Every single investment and transaction that I have ever made resides in Quicken. Is there a package for Linux out there that even remotely provides the same functionality?" "I don't really use Quicken's online services (why pay for something my credit union gives me for free) but I pretty much use every other function of the product (tax estimation, investment tracking, reports, etc). Is this going to keep me stuck in Windows land? Short of writing my own replacement for Quicken (not very likely) what are my options?"

Comments

GNUcash, Kapital

[Orrin Bloquy]

are the first that come to mind.

Don't use qhacc

[x00101010x]

I've been using qhacc for a while, and it's a cute hack, but not really useful. I'm just using it until I find something better. There's a few java ones that look promising, but I'm not a fan of java software. Getting lucky with google for "accounting linux" turned this up: http://www.aaxnet.com/design/linuxacct.html There's also the popular GnuCash (http://www.gnucash.org/).

One thing to consider...

[chriso11]

If you actually don't like the alternative, and decide to go back to Quicken, then you get to re-enter all the data.

I had thought Wine was pretty far along on supporting Quicken. If you already paid for the Quicken License, are pretty much happy with it, and WINE supports it, why bother switching?

Re:One thing to consider...

[Shakrai]

If you actually don't like the alternative, and decide to go back to Quicken, then you get to re-enter all the data.

I'd have to run them in parallel for awhile until I was happy with the Linux replacement or decided to keep Quicken. I did this when I test-drove Microsoft Money for a few weeks -- kept updating my Quicken file alongside the Money one. I eventually gave up on Money though -- nicer interface but it wasn't as powerful.

I had thought Wine was pretty far along on supporting Quicken. If you already paid for the Quicken License, are pretty much happy with it, and WINE supports it, why bother switching?

That's an idea. Though that might be hit or miss. I suppose I'd have to try it to see how well it works. I'm not totally tied to Quicken though -- I guess I posed the question because I wanted to see if there was decent financial software out there for Linux and what people thought of it.

Re:One thing to consider...

[MBCook]

I eventually gave up on Money though -- nicer interface but it wasn't as powerful.

I've tried them both. I currently use Quicken as I'm on a Mac (where they have a monopoly, I don't know WHY MS doesn't release Money for the Mac). I like Quicken better, as it seems to do what I want it to more (as opposed to doing things that I DON'T want for me, or trying to be a major financial center when I just want to track my checkbook). That said, Money's interface (the entering checks like checks) parts is MUCH nicer than Quicken's ledger.

Re:One thing to consider...

[Shakrai]

That said, Money's interface (the entering checks like checks) parts is MUCH nicer than Quicken's ledger.

And the graphs and cash flow charts look a lot more polished too. What irks me about Money is how really basic stuff seems to be missing or not done correctly.

As an example, Quicken has known about my Flex Reimbursement Account for years. It properly deducts it from my tax projections (Flex Reimbursement Accounts are tax free) whereas all I can do with it in Money is setup a cash account and take the deductions out of my paycheck. Money considers them to be part of my W-2 earnings. This was not corrected as of Money 2003 (the last version I test-drove).

Plus there's also the fact that there doesn't seem to be a way to stop Money from accessing the Internet. I can see why Intuit and Microsoft want to push you to use their online services -- but at least Quicken lets you disable them and have some control over when it goes out to the internet.

Tied to Quicken

[fm6]

For the last six years I have been quite the avid user of Quicken. Every single investment and transaction that I have ever made resides in Quicken.

Quicken doesn't have any features you couldn't get from a spreadsheet program. It just packages them in a more user-friendly manner.

Re:Tied to Quicken

[avalys]

You imply that that's somehow a negative. But by that logic, every program is worthless, because they're all just more user-friendly alternatives to typing in machine code by hand.

Re:Tied to Quicken

[Blakey Rat]

So? I saw a website where a guy made Pac-Man run in Excel.

Re:Tied to Quicken

[Anonymous Coward]

A spreadsheet program doesn't have any features you couldn't get from a Turing machine. It just packages them in a more user-friendly manner.

Re:Tied to Quicken

[Zaurus]

Quicken doesn't have any features you couldn't get from a spreadsheet program. It just packages them in a more user-friendly manner.

User-friendliness isn't a feature? Hmmm...

Parent poster is... (choose one)

o a power-CLI user.
o a fan of Microsoft Products
o correct
o +1 Funny
o using Cowboy Neal's text-editor, notepad.exe, for financial tasks
o other, explain below...

Re:Tied to Quicken

[Shakrai]

Quicken doesn't have any features you couldn't get from a spreadsheet program. It just packages them in a more user-friendly manner.

Actually I had considered this. Replacing my finances with a series spreadsheets in Calc. Given enough time I'm sure I could duplicate pretty much all of the Quicken functionality that I need (although stuff that updates often like tax tables or stock quotes would be a PITA).

But why go to all that trouble when software already (or should) exist for this problem?

Re:Tied to Quicken

[fm6]

I implied no such thing. I've used Quicken myself. My only point was that a spreadsheet is a reasonable alternative if you're on a platform where Quicken -- or a similar tool -- isn't available.

Re:Tied to Quicken

[fm6]

That guy must have done a lot of fancy VBA coding, and be pretty good at it. By contrast, the macros you needs to implement a checkbook in Excel are pretty minor, and within reach of a novice.

Re:Tied to Quicken

[fm6]

Sure, user-friendliness is a feature. But when all you doing is maintaining a list of financial transactions, it's not a big feature.

Re:Tied to Quicken

[fm6]

True -- reinventing pre-invented wheels is usually a waste of time.

On the other hand, if you want tax tables and stock quotes, and don't want to be dependent on Quicken for them, you do need to get more flexible. That means using a more open-ended solution, where you or some other open-source person can hack in new data sources.

If you want a big, fancy pre-packaged financial management system, with pain-free data updates, you're not going to find one that runs natively on Linux. (Though it might well run under Wine on Linux.) Developing such a system is expensive, and the Linux user base is still too small to pay back the investment.

Re:Tied to Quicken

[elmegil]

Obviously you haven't used quicken lately. The *FREE* online stuff automatically downloads your stock prices, your bank transactions for reconciling, etc. There's a bit more to it than simple spreadsheeting.

Re:Tied to Quicken

[Hey, Retard...]

Sure, user-friendliness is a feature. But when all you doing is maintaining a list of financial transactions, it's not a big feature.
 
...let me guess what your finances consist of: A checking account to which your paycheck gets directly deposited, a savings account, and maybe a credit card. If you are an American, the tax form you file is the one page 1040EZ. Sure, a spreadsheet will work in simple situations, but if you have multiple investments, own a home, have kids, etc it gets complicated quickly. And I'll tell you one feature your spreadsheet is never going to have: a button that syncs your data with your bank, your investment firms, credit cards, etc. Nor is it ever going to import all your data into Turbo Tax which will fill out complicated tax forms with a few clicks and then electronically file them.

And the money they cost is nominal, especially if you value your time.

Re:Tied to Quicken

[fm6]

And I'll tell you one feature your spreadsheet is never going to have: a button that syncs your data with your bank, your investment firms, credit cards, etc.

Well, never say never -- I'm sure I could program an Excel or OO plugin to do that. But basically, you're right: that's a complex feature that's well worth buying software for. So I withdraw the "user friendly" assertion.

Re:Tied to Quicken

[Knara]

Or use a Web-based brokerage service that might export into .CSV and then reverse-engineer their formatting for your own spreadsheet-y delight.

Re:Tied to Quicken

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't know if he's talking about me or not(I use to run a site where I posted ports I'd made of games in Excel written using VBA) but it wasn't that hard to do. I converted most of the kde and gnome default board games, pacman, and had started battleship and monopoly. I started writing them so I could play the games in the office and have it look like I was just using Excel if anyone came near. Unfortunately they were all lost due to me thinking I had a backup of the system I wrote them on and wiping it after I took the site down.

Re:Tied to Quicken

[Anonymous Coward]

Given enough time I'm sure I could duplicate pretty much all of the Quicken functionality that I need (although stuff that updates often like tax tables or stock quotes would be a PITA).

Tax tables don't update all that often. I'm assuming you just want an estimate, you're not going to get something very accurate unless you know a lot about the tax code in the first place. Quicken's tax estimation features work well if you've got everything coded up perfectly, but if not then it's garbage in-garbage out. Just taking your salary, capital gains/losses, and withholding is probably enough to get a good estimate. If you have a lot of itemized deductions it might be slightly more complicated, but not much. And if you run a business, well, you said Quicken, not Quickbooks, so you probably don't. If you do, then you (or whoever) should be doing the books for the business in a separate program and importing the results once a month or whatever.

There's a ton of software out there for doing stock quotes. This is something I personally don't think should be integrated too tightly with your accounting software. Personally I use a homemade script to keep track of my investment accounts on a day-to-day basis, and then I make a mark-to-market entry at the end of each month. I get the data from Yahoo, see http://www.gummy-stuff.org/Yahoo-data.htm, but there are software packages available which can use real-time data that you pay for. In my opinion you need specialized software to deal with stocks (bonds, futures, et cetera).

But why go to all that trouble when software already (or should) exist for this problem?

Mainly because the software out there really sucks. Someone who doesn't have a basic understanding of accounting principles is almost surely going to do nothing but make a mess out of things, and someone who does have an understanding of accounting isn't going to need the vast majority of the functionality. Ask just about any accountant what they think of Quicken. Most likely they'll tell you it's a Mickey Mouse program that flaunts basic accounting principles.

If you really want to spend the time to manage your finances on your own - if you benefit from having home access to the things that Quicken provides you with - learn about accounting first. Find out what a debit and a credit are, learn about a ledger and a chart of accounts. You'll learn to hate Quicken just like us accountants.

Re:Tied to Quicken

[way2trivial]

obviously you haven't used quicken lately.. you can scrape all the stuff off the internet in a similar fashion..
(a royal bitch to set up- and it's all trash if your bank changes it's layout)

Re:Tied to Quicken

[elmegil]

you can scrape all the stuff off the internet in a similar fashion.. (a royal bitch to set up- and it's all trash if your bank changes it's layout)

And which part of "automatically" and "more than simple spreadsheeting" are you claiming that this contradicts? I have no time or interest in writing and maintaining custom scraper code when I can buy a new version of quicken every 4 years that does just fine for me. No, I don't see the need to buy it every year like they'd want me to, but it's easily worth $15/year not to have to maintain it all myself.

Review at LWN

[greppling]

LWN (Linux Weekly News) has just done a review of personal finance managers for Linux: http://lwn.net/Articles/149383/ (It will become freely available this thursday.)

The main alternatives are GnuCash and KMyMoney.

Threadjack. :)

[Blakey Rat]

I'm looking for an equilivant to Microsoft Project I can run in OS X. Does anybody know of anything like that?

Get a Mac

[MBCook]

Get a Mac.

Not what you were looking for, but consider it. You can run open source software on it, you can even run Linux on it. Most of the big games get ported eventually. Best of all, it has Quicken (which I use myself) and other big name software (including an excellent version of Office). You won't have to re-enter all your data (as another poster talked about), you can just import it.

Seriously, give it a try for a while. It's too bad Apple removed that 30 day free trial of a Mac Mini.

Not willing to go Mac? Can you run Quicken (maybe an older version) well in Wine? What about running VMWare or Bochs and running it inside Windows in there? You don't need the performance so it should be quite useable.

Re:Get a Mac

[Shakrai]

Not what you were looking for, but consider it. You can run open source software on it, you can even run Linux on it.

So I can replace an expensive Windows license and Microsoft DRM on cheap hardware with expensive Apple branded hardware and iTunes DRM?

Sorry. That's not an option for me.

Re:Get a Mac

[Steven W00ston]

Oh great. He says that he doesn't want to spend $80 on a Windows license, so your solution is to buy something even more expensive and proprietary? Yeah thats insightful alright.

Re:Get a Mac

[Anonymous Coward]

Just why would someone want to plunk down ~$600 to $1200 for a new system just to run Quicken for Mac when presumably the inquirer has a perfectly running Linux machine sans a financial software package?

Sigh ...

[karearea]

Has much changed since this ...

http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/05/17/22 48214&tid=4&tid=106

Funny what gets through - yes, I do search /. before asking my question! Sorry in a bitchy mood today, sun is shining and I'm stuck inside.

Re:Sigh ...

[Hey, Retard...]

Has much changed since this ...

http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/05/17/22 48214&tid=4&tid=106

Funny what gets through - yes, I do search /. before asking my question! Sorry in a bitchy mood today, sun is shining and I'm stuck inside.
 
...in case you didn't look, the date of that article is May 19th, 2002 - 3 years, 4 months ago. Yes, a lot has changed since then. In that time, the major player in the Linux financial software market - gnucash - has released 24 new versions. In addition, there are several new packages out there that did not exist in 2002.

In the world of Linux, 3.33 years is a very, very, very long time.

re:sigh.........

[pisdtal]

what about open office?
http://download.openoffice.org/index.html

LWN Article, Wait a Week to Read

[MBCook]

Linux Weekly News (an excellent place, you should support them) just did part one of The Grumpy Editor's Guide to Personal Finance Managers. I don't think it is available to non-subscribers yet, but it should be on Thursday then you can take a look at it. It gives an overview of all the current offerings and setting them up and such. I'll put up the last paragraph here because it has a simple sum-up and tells you what's coming in part two:

Your editor's final comment is this: for many years, there was only one free personal finance application of any note: GnuCash. It is now interesting to see there are three viable programs out there. The situation has changed significantly - for the better - over the past year. Come back for the second part (to be published, probably, near the beginning of October) to complete the tour of what these programs can do, and a final recommendation from the editor.

You're question is quite timely, actually.

As first post stated: GNUcash

[Neil Blender]

http://gnucash.org/en/screenshots.phtml

I have been using it for years. You can import most of your data from quicken. I'd recommend keeping both running while you try it because though you can export and get a convertor to convert your data back to QIF, you will lose some stuff. The interface is nowhere near as polished but it works. It has quite a few of the features the Quicken has. It can download stock prices, make reports, etc. The graphics are a little light.

Quicken to GNUcash was the last thing I changed before I ditched windows completely. One downside though, there is no TurboTax equivilent (sorry, but there is no way I would trust linux tax software unless it was written by a company like Quicken. Some tax laws are finalized near the end of the year and you really have to trust who you are dealing with.) So, anyway, good thing the wife has a laptop running XP because that is where I do our taxes. Hell, I'd have a windows box around forever if TurboTax never ports to linux. And every year, when I fill out my taxes, I go to their website, find their comment form and send them the following message: "Please make a linux version of Quicken and TurboTax. I'd buy it." I have sent that message for about 5 years. At one point I found a web page saying something like "we are evaluting the need for Quicken under linux" but I that was several years ago. And doesn't Microsoft own Intuit anyway?

Re:As first post stated: GNUcash

[Neil Blender]

sorry, but there is no way I would trust linux tax software unless it was written by a company like Quicken.

Heh, that reminds me: I was at a Perl user's group meeting a few years back and that night 4 people presented projects they were working on. These two guys, I swear they reminded me of Zed and the other guy, the shop keeper, from Pulp Fiction, these guys were not your typical geeks. Anyway, they demostrated this 1040 tax form program they'd written in Perl. It was all broken, had about 1/20th of the functionallity needed for a 1040, and these guys just came off as total hicks. I could only sit there and think to myself, "You have got to be fucking kidding me." It was one of the weirdest things I have ever witnessed.

Re:As first post stated: GNUcash

[Eye of the Frog]

I've been using TurboTax over the web for years, works great with Firefox under linux. Why isn't this an alternative?

Re:As first post stated: GNUcash

[Shakrai]

Hell, I'd have a windows box around forever if TurboTax never ports to linux. And every year, when I fill out my taxes, I go to their website, find their comment form and send them the following message: "Please make a linux version of Quicken and TurboTax. I'd buy it." I have sent that message for about 5 years. At one point I found a web page saying something like "we are evaluting the need for Quicken under linux" but I that was several years ago. And doesn't Microsoft own Intuit anyway?

They tried to buy them out a few years ago IIRC but the deal didn't happen. I would love to see a Linux port of Quicken. Not holding my breath though since 2006 just came out and it's Win/Mac only.

If you aren't using the Quicken/TurboTax combo to automatically populate TurboTax, then couldn't you just use the online version of TurboTax and ditch Windows entirely? When I filed my taxes this year I did it via Firefox in Windows. If it works in Firefox/WIN32 I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work in Firefox/Linux.

qemu

[cnj5]

http://qemu.net/
A friend never upgraded from quicken 4. She had tried GNUcash and Kapital but was too used to her quicken. She tried it with wine but quicken crashed too much. She now runs it on linux with qemu. Basically a cd size hd image with just win98 and quicken 4 installed.
Another friend uses an old version of sage in qemu (qemux) on an ibook. Yes it is slow but way faster than his old laptop.

Finding One's Self...

[go$$amer]

I Too, find myself in the process of building a new computer system.

Congratulations!

Free and Open Source Financial Applications FAQ

[Noksagt]

I maintain a FAQ on Fatwallet of the free/open source finance applications. Particularly useful are the links there.

I'm a GnuCash zealot. I love that I can setup a cron script to download data on market close. I keep a couple dozen accounts in it with no worries. I would never go back to Quicken or Money.

If you don't dig the F/OSS thing, there are commercial apps for Linux or you can get both Quicken & Money to work OK in Crossover Office. Anotheer alternative is to do all of this online with a service like yodlee.

Options for Taxes

[Noksagt]

sorry, but there is no way I would trust linux tax software unless it was written by a company like Quicken.

Taxes for most people are pretty simple & something like open tax solver would work (albeit not in a user-friendly way). People do taxes with pencil and paper, so programs don't have to be that complicated.

That said, I suggest everyone file taxes online. You get it done quicker & it is cheaper than paper. The IRS maintains a "freefile" page where they ask you questions & are usually able to direct you to some way to file your taxes online for free. These webapps are done by Intuit, H&R Block, etc.

Re:Options for Taxes

[Neil Blender]

First, H&R Block == some joker running H&R Block's version of TurboTax for you. I went there once, it was a joke.

Second, TurboTax takes all the guesswork out of things. Every year I fill out a tax form by hand (and I still do for an LLC that I really should dissolve), I am never quite sure if I did everything right.

Third, TurboTax is up to date with all the latest tax laws including deductions that you might not know about. For example, last year and this year states with sales tax allowed you to deduct it from your taxes. You could take a standard deduction based on your income. I knew about it. What I didn't know, was that you could also deduct sales tax from materials bought for home improvement above and beyound the standard deduction. Just happens that I had hardwood floors installed ($5000 worth of red oak), rewired all my electrical ($1300 worth of supplies), plus did a couple of other projects that totaled about $1000 in supplies. That alone saved me 4-5 times the cost of the software.

Finally, my taxes are not simple yet I spend less than 1 hour preparing them. Am I subject to the Alternative Minimum Tax? Hell if I know, but TurboTax tells me with the press of a button. Don't know if you seen that form, but I hear it's a doozy. When I am done with TurboTax, it prints out something like 5 or 6 different forms, all neatly filled in, no math errors, no need to double check.

I don't have the time or inclination to figure out all that stuff. $35 and 1 hour and I am enjoying the rest of my day worry free, knowing a fat check is just a week or two away (or I will be writing a fat check on April 15th.)

Re:Options for Taxes

[Noksagt]

These webapps are done by Intuit, H&R Block, etc.

First, H&R Block == some joker running H&R Block's version of TurboTax for you.

In this case, the joker would be you. I encouraged the use of online tax software.

Second, TurboTax takes all the guesswork out of things....Third, TurboTax is up to date with all the latest tax laws including deductions that you might not know about....Am I subject to the Alternative Minimum Tax? Hell if I know, but TurboTax tells me with the press of a button.

As would ANY of the web-based tax programs. Doing it by hand isn't for everyone, but what is wrong with the online programs that I suggested? They are the same as Turbotax, but typically $35 cheaper & you never have to worry about them doing insanely stupid stuff like installing copy protection on your drive which writes to the MBR.

WINE

[dmayle]

WINE

No, seriously, check it out. With Wine Tools to automate the install of basic components (like DCOM98 and Visual C++ redistributable), you can use most of your windows programs on linux. According to Wine Application DB, many version of quicken work just fine under wine.

Heck, I've even gotten a full Visual Studio 6 install going under wine...

Hire someone...

[anthony_dipierro]

Short of writing my own replacement for Quicken (not very likely) what are my options?

Personally I use a hacked up version of SQL-Ledger. But personally I think Quicken is a piece of shit, and that GNUCash is a poor copy of it. SQL-Ledger isn't great either, but you have easy access to the raw ledger, and can program the other stuff you need on top of that.

For your purposes, it seems like you just want the cheapest thing that can perform at the level of Quicken, so I'd say try out GNUCash and see if that does the trick and if not then use Quicken and your old copy of Windows (I don't understand where the $80-200 comes into play, as you already have a copy of Windows on your old system).

Re:Hire someone...

[Shakrai]

and your old copy of Windows (I don't understand where the $80-200 comes into play, as you already have a copy of Windows on your old system).

It's a 32 bit copy of XP Pro and I'm building an AMD64 system. I think I missed the boat on Microsoft's free upgrade plan by a couple of weeks and in any case I wouldn't have wanted to ditch the license from my old box. I might have the desire to pull it out of the closet once in awhile and play some old games.

Re:Hire someone...

[anthony_dipierro]

It's a 32 bit copy of XP Pro and I'm building an AMD64 system.

I'd think Bochs would have no problem handling this. It'd be a little slow maybe, but fast enough to run Quicken.

in any case I wouldn't have wanted to ditch the license from my old box. I might have the desire to pull it out of the closet once in awhile and play some old games.

Not sure what you mean by this. Are you saying if you install Windows on the second box and then pull the old box out of the closet that Microsoft is going to send the copyright police to your house to arrest you? Or is it some sort of morality thing that you think it's wrong to have two copies of Windows installed if you only paid for one license, even if you're only using one copy at a time? Or you're talking about some physical limitation?

Let me suggest:

[cavemanf16]

I have tried numerous programs on Linux to manage my finances, and like you used to use Quicken on Windows.

When I tried to switch over to Linux as my primary desktop, I found that there are options out there, but they're just not as polished *looking* as Quicken is for the average finance/budget tracking user like myself. So, let me offer up what I've tried, and you can figure something out for yourself:

• jGnash - A weird name for a finance program, but I used it for a short time and it did an alright job... and that was approximately a year ago. The project looks to be in active development still, so you may want to at least give it a try. It did QIF imports alright as well, and although it's written in Java it seemed to be coded pretty well.
• GnuCash - Well known in the Linux world with a long history. I tried it out but never really got the hang of it due to the somewhat clunky and difficult to understand UI. The engine behind this program seems to work great, but much like Gnome, it takes some getting used to the UI.
• Moneydance - Also has a long history, is coded in Java, and tries to compete with Quicken, but I didn't like the reports in this program. Also seemed a bit sluggish on Windows because it was coded in Java, but that was a pre-2005 release version, so the new one might be better. Unfortunately, from the look of their webpage the reports haven't changed at all, which was my biggest beef with this program.
• Or try Wine because it appears that Quicken and QuickBooks run under it OK. Haven't tried this out personally, and this would mean keeping around your dual-boot setup most likely, but it might solve your dilemma.

As for the gaming aspect - it's the only reason that I have to stick around with Windows. I love to play CS:S, Civ3, Morrowind, and easily install/uninstall new video games, and Windows is simply easier and less hassle to do that in than any distro of Linux is right now. When I finish college (which also is a pain 'cause they use VisualC++ and other Windows crap that I still need Windows for) I'll probably more seriously consider buying Cedega (from TransGaming) to allow me to continue playing the games I love.

P.S. Using Linux as my primary workstation taught me that Linux based desktop software is HIGHLY "tweakable", and as such is also highly prone to disaster. (I'm the type that never reads the manual: disaster then ensues.) If you're going to do your finances on a Linux desktop setup, buy a DVD burner and MAKE SYSTEM BACKUPS nightly!!

A little off topic: Windows refunds?

[greywire]

I'm also looking to buy a new notebook computer, but I dont want to pay for Windows, prefering to run Linux on it with Wine for my windows apps.

I have heard some people have managed to get refunds for the Windows they arent going to use. Anybody got recomendations on how to do this?

Crossover Office

[sammy_cda]

Crossover Office runs Quicken well. I run Quicken Basic 2003 and it does everything I ask of it. I purchased Quicken 2006 but haven't tried it yet under Crossover Office.

Than dammit!

[Truth_Quark]

Less than eager.

Re:A little off topic: Windows refunds?

[lilmouse]

Google search. I found out it's actually pretty easy to do it with Dell. But by then, I'd already given up.

--LWM

They don't really have a monopoly

[arete]

GnuCash supports OSX. Installation is a slight pain, but it is what we're using. YMMV, of course.

Re:Threadjack. :)

[cpthowdy]

Check out dotProject. I just found it the other day, seems quite powerful. Plus it's free. :)

for clarity of above post

[way2trivial]

please substitue "excel" where it now says "quicken"