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KDE 3.5 Beta 1 Announced

christchurch writes "The KDE Project has announced the immediate availability of KDE 3.5 Beta 1, dubbed "Kanzler". This will be the last major release in the KDE 3 series. Qt 3.3.5 was released too late to adapt to it and it shows some fundamental compilation problems. We had a preview of KDE 3.5 two months ago."

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  1. Re:3.6? by CDMA_Demo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does anyone think we can port KDE to Windows? It will be really cool if instead of explorer we boot up into KDE. Just an interesting possibility. I know something like this has been done before but its not as good as having complete KDE or Gnome!

  2. Re:3.6? by Psiren · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does anyone think we can port KDE to Windows?

    I seem to remember reading somewhere that Qt4 would make this a distinct possibility, or at least make it easier to contemplate doing it. I don't know if there would be any interest in doing such a thing, but time will tell.

  3. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Nice to know the umlauts weren't broken with the CSS switch.

  4. Alternative native Window Mangers for Windows by jd · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Why not? Someone ported Afterstep to Windows. It was a native port, too, not using Cygwin. It should be possible for someone to examine how the replacement of the Windows GUI was achieved, and the X calls shouldn't pose a problem as KDE uses Qt, and Qt will run under Windows. Anything KDE doesn't do through Qt should be solvable by looking to see how the Afterstep port solved the problem.


    What I'd LOVE to see is someone porting the full KDE system to run natively on Windows, then write a layer that'll handle Windows GUI calls and DirectX through KDE. A screenshot of that would freak out so many people...

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  5. Re:KDE NEEDS WYSIWYG PRINTING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Since when is a browser supposed to exactly match the printed output?

  6. Re:Konqueror succeeds at ACID2 and gets Adblock! by zecg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I use KDE and would gladly browse using Konqueror, if only Scrapbook (http://amb.vis.ne.jp/mozilla/scrapbook/) wasn't da shit.

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  7. Re:3.6? by Rich · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yes, since the release of Qt 4, Qt has been GPL on win32 as well as unix and Mac. Plans to change the way KDE is split up were discussed at akademy that should make a win32 version easier, as will the move away from autoconf/automake to a new build system. Some parts of KDE such as kjs can already be built on win32, but there are many other parts that would need quite substantial work to port. That said, there is already a cygwin port of KDE that can be used right now.

  8. Re:good linux desktop by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What might be good is a Windows-alike that doesn't do the XP-bloat thing.

    For some folks, at least. As for me, while I still use a lot of KDE apps (including Konqueror for my file manager), I switched to WindowMaker for my desktop about a month ago and immediately noticed a performance boost. (2.8 GHZ Pentium with 1GB RAM that's less than a year old, so it's not exactly ancient hardware I'm using here.) Starting a wterm takes about a fifth as long as it does to fire up Konsole, for instance, and switching desktops is also much faster. Running WM on my new laptop has proven a bit tricky with the touchpad (wayyy too sensitive and there doesn't seem to be any easy means of adjusting it), so I blew a big 20 bucks on a mini-mouse and now it's golden.

    I find that I'm heaps more productive since I made the change.

    On the eye-candy end of things, WM themes are so easy to make that my mom could probably do it. ;)

    The only thing I miss from KDE is the Kalendar popup taskbar applet, and I have yet to find a WM equivalent.

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  9. Re:AARRRGGGHH!! KDE has print selection!!!111oneon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Even as a huge KDE fan, I must say that I don't see that option when viewing this page from Konqueror. It *is* there when printing text from kate, but it is on a tab that's only there for text. Furthermore, I would expect it to be near the page selection options on the Copies tab, and not on another tab.

    OTOH, I don't think this is important enough to bash KDE on, but that may just be me hardly ever needing such a thing.

  10. Re:good linux desktop by cozziewozzie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I used to do this for the longest time. I ran Afterstep with a kde session running in the background. Then, at work, I ran WindowMaker using the same setup.

    Eventually, I found that KWin can be configured to work almost exactly like AfterStep (which was my ideal WM for a long time), and that it isn't in fact any slower.

    Now I'm simply running a full KDE desktop. It looks a lot like AfterStep, and nothing like a regular KDE default, but i find it works just as well as AS/WM and it saves me some trouble.

    Similarly, I learned to love Konsole, although I used to be an aterm diehard.

    With time, KDE caught up with my special requirements, while getting more stable, featureful and faster.

  11. Konsole and KDE desktop switching by shani · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Starting a wterm takes about a fifth as long as it does to fire up Konsole, for instance, and switching desktops is also much faster.

    I am running on a 1.7 GHz laptop right now, and it takes less than one second to start up Konsole:
    $ time konsole -e "/bin/echo"

    real 0m0.603s
    user 0m0.409s
    sys 0m0.033s
    Did you actually time the startup of the shell? Even if you did, do you really notice the 0.5 seconds of difference? For myself, KDE's "bloat" actually increases my efficiency, because I can create a new tab in Konsole rather than opening a new shell.

    As for the desktop switching... the desktops switch faster than I can click - I tried to use the hotkeys to outrun the system (Ctrl-F1, Ctrl-F2, ...), but it is faster than I am.

    KDE is not inherently slow.