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KDE Running on Mac OS X

GeoffP writes "AppleTalk Australia is running a story on running KDE on Mac OS X. For those that don't know, KDE is a graphical desktop environment used to access your computer's files. Finally, Mac users have a free (as in speech) approach to their filesystem."

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  1. Good article by huwr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A neat article.

    However, I can't think really why you'd want to be running KDE on Mac OS X when you already have such a neat (IMHO) interface. I suppose it's good for a laugh, too.

    1. Re:Good article by DenDave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well there are some aspects of KDE which are not possible under OSX without significant tweaks or non-free software. For example, the browser, Konqueror will go everywhere, even below the "unseen line" of OSX and yes, you can tweak finder to go there to but not without non-free software and even then, you'r stuck with finder's interface.

      You can have a variety of io-slaves under KDE allowing great integration with a variety of network services, yes we can do alot of that with OSX but again, interface and third party add-ons... (webdav over ssl???)

      Furthermore, KDE is a development environment in itself and many developers will be happy to see that they can work two in one!

      I am impressed that it works, I have tried many times to get Fink and the gang working with Tiger and I have borked on each and every occasion. So reading the australian exploits with expectation!!

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    2. Re:Good article by Guy+Harris · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I haven't bought the replacement iBook (yet?) mainly because now I can't live without KDE's network protocol integration (sftp , webdav, smb, ftp, ... everything is supported!). I can transparently access folders with the (file browser, editor, image viewer, etc. etc. ) in multiple servers, seamlessly. OS/X is seriously lacking in this area.

      Yeah, it really sucks that OS X lets you transparently access folders over FTP with ls. It'd be much better if it did it with ioslaves, so only KDE applications could transparently access them.

      (Yes, I know that ftpfs is read-only. Implementing it as an NFS server, so that the FTP back-end has no way of knowing when an application is finished writing to the file, makes it difficult to support read/write access. And, yes, I really have accessed an FTP server with ls, egrep, etc., and yes, it was convenient.)

      And the same goes for WebDAV and SMB (although WebDAV uses a gateway VFS rather than using NFS, so it does know when a file is closed and can upload its contents if it was written to, and smbfs is implemented as a kernel-level VFS and supports reading and writing). Unfortunately, there's no sftpfs, but, if there were, that'd be a lot more UN*Xy than doing it with an ioslave.

      BTW, your Linux box probably has an smbfs, too, so you can access SMB servers from the command line as well as from KDE apps. (Or does KDE do the right thing on systems with smbfs/cifsfs, and just mount the damn server and let the underlying UN*X do the work?) Somebody might have implemented ftpfs, etc. with userfs, so you might have them as well.

      Better yet would be OS X itself natively supporting the most widely used network protocols. Tiger was a big dissapointment in this respect...

      Which ones are missing? (Other than read/write FTP, and sftp, which are already known to be missing.)

    3. Re:Good article by bani · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the problem with the way osx does ftp though, at least through finder, is that it mounts it as a filesystem, and when the remote ftp site goes out to lunch it sometimes takes osx with it. it also makes it impossible to parallelize tasks to a single remote site. the way ftpfs does it, everything gets serialized and blocks. a slow remote ftp site will make finder slow to a crawl.

      ftpfs also groks an extremely limited dialect of ftp, it gets easily confused by various ftp server software that kioslave (or mozilla, camino, etc.) doesn't have any problems with.

      no, kioslave really is the best way to do it.

    4. Re:Good article by Octorian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One thing I'd like to see is a HOWTO on running X11 as the native GUI system on MacOSX in place of Aqua/WindowServer/etc. Of course one could always run raw Darwin on the machine, getting most of MacOSX device support advantages, but that would be an unreasonable pain for people who want the two environment to co-exist once in a while, and/or not do a complete reinstall.

  2. Erm... Why? by eericson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ummm... If I wanted to run KDE, why would I buy a Mac? I mean I love my Powerbook, but I know the Pentium M systems are faster, cheaper, and (if my experiences are the rule not the exception) more reliable.

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  3. Re:news ? by SpectreBinary · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I guess I should write up my tutorial on how to run fluxbox on OS X, and my follow up, setting environment variables to allow Terminal.app to interact with the X server.

    Do it. Don't put down documentation on any process that others might not have done - there are many MANY people who might not have the experience to come up with the solution on their own, but who may benefit from it.

    The attitude that writing documentation on the simple stuff is pointless is the reason so many man pages, web pages, FAQs and howtos on open source software sucks dog nuts.

    Not everyone is geek enough to know how to do some of the cool things - that knowledge comes about for those of us who are geeky enough to enjoy learning the ins and outs of everything for its own sake. Other people, the majority, need to see how something can work when set up well before they'll accept it.

  4. WHY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    KDe, for all it's open source goodness, isnt a superior system to what OSX has. I dont get why you would bother - OSX is a delight to use.

  5. Free (as in speech) doesn't mean better... by node+3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Finally, Mac users have a free (as in speech) approach to their filesystem.

    1. KDE has been running on OS X for many years now.
    2. cp, ls, mv, etc are open source, and have been available on OS X since the beginning.
    3. KDE is nice, but I didn't buy a Mac so I could run KDE, I bought it so I could run OS X.

    Which isn't to say it's not good to be able to run KDE if you want, just that I've never heard someone lament, "oh, that only there were some form of free (as in speech) approach to the filesystem on my Mac".

  6. Re:Goody? by SpectreBinary · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Choice I suppose. If you ever needed a few KDE apps, then here's a solution. If you ever spent your time 50/50 in OS X and KDE, this is the best way to go - if only fink were a little more up to date with KDE packages in a consistent sense.

    One of the parts omitted from the article was a demonstration by Si, the guy who wrote the article, of a KDE desktop running on one monitor and OS X running on the other - both controlled by the same G4. For him, it works well and documenting how it was done just makes sense. Not everyone has the complete knowledge needed to get this up and running if they DO need it.

    It's certainly not going to suit everyone - nor even the majority of people using OSX/KDE, but it's going to make life just a little more comfortable for the few who need to use both regularly.

  7. Re:Goody? by KiloByte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hey, many many years ago I've ran Quake on ancient IRIX workstations. Oh wait... it was over X with the actual binaries running on a Linux x86 box. Oh, and I'm running KDE on Windows right now (Cygwin X server, of course, on a machine at work)! Hey, come, lookie, KDE for Windows!

    How exactly running an X program over X can be considered a port? It just works as it should, but there is nothing special to it.

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  8. Re:WHY??? by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Aqua goodness, brushed-metal goodness, unified tool bar grayish-ness, the new iTunes post brushed-metal dark grayish-ness, etc. Basically, whatever shinny inconstant interface turd Apple thinks is cool this month.

    And yes, I realize the irony of an Apple interface rant coming from some a-hole who's screen name is "Aqua OS X" ;)

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  9. Re:Introducing our new format... by One+Childish+N00b · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Slashdot: Computer News for People New to Computers

    Ever think there are different levels of geekdom? I'm a music geek first and foremost, and a computer geek second. I didn't know what Fink was, yet I've been a Linux user and casual Sourceforge browser for nearly 3 years and an OS X user for almost a year. I found this article useful even if you didnt, just for novelty value rather than anything else.

    Just because you already knew how to do something, doesn't mean everybody does. If this was a PC World 'How to Switch on your Computer' article, you might have a case, but this is a site for all geeks, not just computer geeks; all reasonably smart people - people likely to enjoy this site - should know how to turn their computer on, but not all of them are going to know about something like this, which they might find useful for any number of reasons.

    Rant over. I just don't like people who assume just because something is of no interest to them, or simple to them, that it's boring or obvious to everyone else.

    I liked this article, it's something I might try out when I've got a few hours to spare. You can read something else if you want.

    Thank you, slashdot, for enlightening me as to this smart bit of kit. Keep it up.

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