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When More Information Isn't a Good Thing

Carl Bialik from the WSJ writes "'Most of the time, speedier, cheaper information allows the economy to produce more from less, often by eliminating mistakes, cutting wasted effort and shrinking doubt,' David Wessel writes in the Wall Street Journal. But better information through technology has a downside; sometimes, efficiency benefits certain players to the detriment of society. One example Wessel cites: software that tells patent litigants which courts have the most favorable historical record for their side. 'It doesn't help the economy produce more goods or services. It creates nothing of beauty or pleasure,' he writes. 'It simply helps someone get a bigger slice of the pie.'"

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  1. Welcome to planet Earth by Jamu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'It doesn't help the economy produce more goods or services. It creates nothing of beauty or pleasure,' he writes. 'It simply helps someone get a bigger slice of the pie.'

    Welcome to planet Earth.

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    1. Re:Welcome to planet Earth by Itchy+Rich · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly. There are plenty of examples that just help people get a bigger slice of the pie, starting with pretty much any software used by stockmarket traders. This is the nature of companies though, I'm not sure why this is news.

    2. Re:Welcome to planet Earth by acvh · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Democracy isn't the best economic system

      Correct. In fact, it isn't an economic system at all. You can have democratic socialism and democratic capitalism, producing two very different societies.

      The idea that we are all supposed to work within "the system" to get as much as we can is ridiculous. If we were playing Monopoly or Risk that would be a sensible approach, but life is not a game.

      America is run by lawyers, for lawyers. Stories like this confirm it. The rest of us are just in the way.

    3. Re:Welcome to planet Earth by Pxtl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Personaly, I think this is a great thing.

      We can use this software to easily find out which judgest to bust for corruption.

  2. This is along the lines of by bhadreshl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'Knowledge is Power' vs 'Ignorance is Bliss'

    1. Re:This is along the lines of by rovingeyes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Knowledge is Power" only when the knowledge is used properly. Similarly "Ignorance is Bliss" when it doesn't hurt you. Unfortunately, most of the society ignores the latter part of both those rules.

  3. Wrong by hotsauce · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It helps us identify courts with bias, and hopefully correct that.

    1. Re:Wrong by L.+VeGas · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Everything about the article's premise is simply incorrect. One of the main reasons that transparent and fluid dissemination of information is good is that it more readily allows for review. If the courts have been producing skewed decisions based on arbitrary results, well then, let's see it! Open the doors, and shine the light on the subject. Hopefully, some self-review will occur.

      The "problem" is not too much information, it's too limited availability of information. It's the advantage gained by those who wish to disallow others from having it. In war, it's necessary. In political and government operations, it's anathema.

      The other, obvious advantage of ready access to information is increasing the fluidity of the economy. It helps to level the playing field. Instead of over-reliance on PR and advertising, businesses and consumers can make more informed decisions.

  4. Software is a tool. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem lies with the court system and the patent office.

    1. Re:Software is a tool. by thebdj · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually point more toward the court system. With the exception of the Federal Circuit and SCOTUS most courts have a horrible misunderstanding of patent law and the patent process as a whole. And pointing blame at the USPTO? Of course that gets modded Insightful instead of offtopic or trolling, cause after all hating the PTO is cool thing to do on slashdot.

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    2. Re:Software is a tool. by Shaper_pmp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So... what? We should disapprove of the courts for not always deciding correctly in a high-cost court battle between two (biased) litigants, but not the USPTO for wrongly granting the patent that caused the problem in the first place? When the courts are called-on for a million different things, but examining and granting patents is the Patent Examiners only job?

      Sorry - not following that one. If the USPTO did their job perfectly we wouldn't need the courts in these cases. You seem to be blaming the safety-net for not being good enough, and not the greased high-wire that causes the fall in the first place.

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  5. hmm, information wants to be free by DrSkwid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Choosing which hospital has the best success rate for my operation is in the same ball court.

    How about choosing which school has the best results for certain subjects.

    If the number of applicants is the same for these examples then society doesn't benefit whichever I choose [discounting the relative merits of my self / children to society], so by his argument I shouldn't need that information.

    Finding the lowest price for a product could be considered detrimental to society [less sales tax / corporaqtion tax paid or some such].

    Choosing to buy one's fuel based on price is bad for the exchequer too, it is the highest taxed item in my country. Perhaps We should be prevented from knowing where to get the cheapest fuels too.

    ad nauseum.

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  6. Not unique to information by chill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This issue isn't unique to information. Kitchen knives make nice tools for cutting up dinner...or the neighbor's cat. The entire concept of "significant non-infringing uses" is the foundation for the legality of such devices as ubiquitous as the VCR, CD/DVD recorder, TiVO and photo copy machine.

    "The sword cuts both ways" is a phrase that was invented long before the information age.

    Easy access to large amounts of information has benefits to society that vastly outweigh the detriments.

      -Charles

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  7. Information as a tool by kevin_conaway · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sure someone applied the same argument to guns when they were first invented (well actually, people STILL do).

    Its a tool and it can be used for good or bad purposes. The good almost always outweighs the bad.

  8. BS by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    'It doesn't help the economy produce more goods or services. It creates nothing of beauty or pleasure,' he writes. 'It simply helps someone get a bigger slice of the pie.'

    The one with the most money to throw around has always had an advantage in patent (or any other type of) litigation. This software doesn't change that.

    What it does do is make the process more efficient, which reduces use of resources that can now be spent on something more productive, rather than having been "wasted" on patent litigation.

    That in fact DOES 'help the economy produce more goods or services'. It even helps the 'little guy' by allowing them to do a type of search and analysis with lower resources.

    Anyone who thinks that lowering the cost of entry to perform a particular activity helps the big players at the expense of the smaller players needs to go back to economics 101 and stop reading so many technophobe books.

    This article is similar to saying 'The low cost of the Apache web server software allows big companies to get a bigger slice of the pie, since they no longer have to pay as much for serving web pages. Since big companies have more web sites per company than little companies, they save so much more money. How will the little people keep up!?!?'

    It's complete and utter BS to blame a tool becoming more efficient for how that tool is used by someone.

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  9. Misplaced blame by Dachannien · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One example Wessel cites: software that tells patent litigants which courts have the most favorable historical record for their side.

    That seems like an issue with the ability of litigants to go forum shopping in the first place (a problem with the judicial system), rather than the fault of information and processing tools.

  10. The pie itself is getting bigger! by EraserMouseMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It simply helps someone get a bigger slice of the pie.

    When an economy grows the pie gets bigger. I hate it when people think that when somebody (Gates, Ellison, Jobs, etc.) gets richer that means somebody else is getting poorer. That is not necessarily true!!!

  11. guns as a tool by conJunk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm sure someone applied the same argument to guns when they were first invented (well actually, people STILL do). Its a tool and it can be used for good or bad purposes. The good almost always outweighs the bad.

    go ahead. mod me troll or flamebait... i'm still not convinced there's a "good purpose" for guns, and i have no idea how they are a "tool" that can be used for good

    in the case of shooting the guy who's trying to break into my house, i'll give you a bit, but i'd rather call that "necessary, but still bad" rather than "good"

  12. sounds like advertising by dirtyhippie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    'It doesn't help the economy produce more goods or services. It creates nothing of beauty or pleasure,' he writes. 'It simply helps someone get a bigger slice of the pie.'

    You just described 99% of modern "brand-awareness" marketing. When will ads for Pepsi featuring the most recent just-overage female singer be recognized for the waste of resources that they are?

  13. All laws benefit lawyers by rlglende · · Score: 2, Insightful


    Every law carves off a slice of the economic pie for the legal profession.

    Every member of the legislature has a fundamental conflict of interest, as they do or expect to move between law firms, legislative posts and judicial positions.

    Florida has (or had) a Constitutional provision prohibiting lawyers from being members of the legislature. It was not/is not enforced.

    Lew

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  14. yeah but.. by trybywrench · · Score: 2, Insightful

    a "bigger slice of the pie" is a thing of beauty and pleasure to some people. To a lawyer, this "bigger slice" for him/her and their client is a job well done. I have no problems whatsoever with anyone using freely available information, in a legal way, to help them in their jobs.

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  15. Re:democratic socialism, uh, not really by Brushfireb · · Score: 1, Insightful

    DRRR.. Wrong answer.

    Try to think of economic policy along a continuum. At one end you have Capitalism (pure free market theory), and at the other end you have Communism (pure govt controlled theory). In the middle somewhere you have socialism.

    Along this continnum you will find every modern country, at some point. This is just economics, not politics. So China and US right now will likely be as close to the capitalism side, most european countries in the middle, and former china and USSR, North korea, etc nearing the far communist side.

    Politics is another continuum which is related, but distinctly separate. Along that line, you have democracy all the way to dictatorship. You could have, technically speaking a capitalistic dictatorship (think cuba) or a socialist monarchy, or any combination of the two lines.

    Surely you see more combinations than others, but this is simple becuase certain combinations seem to work pretty well together, not becuase they are the same thing.

  16. Misses the point, methinks. by fyngyrz · · Score: 2, Insightful
    These observations are all true as far as they go, but it seems to me that they don't recognize the real problems — which aren't described in the summary, either.

    First of all, if the laws allow one court to decide differently than another court, then they're probably not good enough laws. Laws should be ultra-clear. Patent law as much as any other law.

    Secondly, if the laws are clear, then the judges should be deciding even-handedly. If they were, what would the software have to "detect"?

    These things should not be matters of opinion. If they are, the legal system is at fault, not some chunk of software that winnows who has what opinion out of the pile of conflicting crap that comprises judicial patent rulings.

    Not that I think any of this is going to change — far from it — but that is what I think the problem is.

    Blaming the software seems to me to be the equivalent of blaming a newspaper photographer for photographing a murder scene. The photographer wasn't responsible for the problem. But that doesn't mean it isn't useful and worthwhile for people to know the facts of the matter. Stopping the newspaper reporter isn't the point. Stopping the murderer is.

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  17. Linguistics by Gorimek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    i'd rather call that "necessary, but still bad" rather than "good"

    You agree on the substantive part, that it is better than the alternatives. What words you prefer to use discussing it does not affect what actions you recommend people take.