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Playing CDs a Privilege Not A Right

Brett writes "Tommi Kyyrä, of IFPI Finland has said that being able to play music on a Linux or Apple computer is a privilege not a right, and that those that can't because of DRM'd CDs should just go out and buy a CD player. Is switching the debate to rights and privileges really where they want to go when we're talking about something we pay for?" From the article: "If the public and 'their' politicians believe that the entertainment industry is on the verge of collapse, they'll be much more likely to accept restrictions on use of content that they've paid for. For this reason, most industry talking heads keep their comments in check when talking about DRM schemes, but from time to time we've seen people truly speak their mind."

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  1. Funny, I was thinking something similar... by KingSkippus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    According to TFA, his translated quote is:

    Now, we need to understand that listening to music on your computer is an extra privilege. Normally, people listen to music on their car or through their home stereos. If you are a Linux or Mac user, you should consider purchasing a regular CD player.

    Funny, I was just thinking something kind of similar, but slightly different:

    Now, we need to understand that listening to music in your car or through your home stereos is an extra privilege. Normally, people listen to music on your computer. If you are a car or home stereo user, you should consider purchasing a regular CD player.

    Given that when I pay for a CD, I'm paying for the music, not the plastic and mylar, can any RIAA person please explain to me why my position is any less valid than Tommi Kyyrä's?

    1. Re:Funny, I was thinking something similar... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In relation to the article, let me be the first to say, "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot". You pay for the disk. The disk is yours and you should be allowed to do whatever you want with it. The disk can be resold, cut into pieces, used as a frisbee, whatever. It's still your disk, and that copy of the content is still yours. (Note that this is artificial scarcity, so copying the data isn't allowed. The copy of data you have is supposed to be considered indivisible as if it were a physical product.) Once I have the disk, the only "rights" I don't have are the ones explicity restricted by copyright law. i.e. Copying.

      Of course, this is a Finish comment, so their law may work differently. But this idea of "privledges" sure as hell doesn't jive with US law.

    2. Re:Funny, I was thinking something similar... by hackstraw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Given that when I pay for a CD, I'm paying for the music, not the plastic and mylar

      If that were the case than you would have the right to download an MP3 or another type of encoding of the music for a lifetime once you bought a CD. Even after your CD is lost, stolen, scratched to hell, or sold or even given to someone else.

      I think you bought the plastic and mylar.

  2. You gotta fight for your right by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yet another sordid chapter in the DRM saga...the insulting attempt to redefine our relationship to content we have purchased as a "privilege."

    Here's the actual quote from Tommi Kyyrä himself:
    "Now, we need to understand that listening to music on your computer is an extra privilege. Normally people listen to music on their car or through their home stereos," said Kyyrä. "If you are a Linux or Mac user, you should consider purchasing a regular CD player."
    Tommi, don't you dare try to tell me that playing content I've purchased is a 'privilege'. I paid for that content, and I have the right to enjoy it. If your ridiculous DRM schemes get in the way of my legitimate use of my content, it's up to you and your cronies to remedy that, rather than try to redefine my rights as 'privileges'.

    By the way, Tommi, your site seems to be down, but don't worry....I guess having a web site that's up all the time is a 'privilege' as well.
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    1. Re:You gotta fight for your right by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Insightful

      rather than try to redefine my rights as 'privileges'.

      There's something to be said for this line of thought.

      50+ year copyrights are a privilege. Not a right.

      Long term musician contracts are a privilege. Not a right.

      Profits from CD sales are a privilege. Not a right!

    2. Re:You gotta fight for your right by Fordiman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Now, we need to understand that listening to music on your computer is an extra privilege. Normally people listen to music on their car or through their home stereos," said Kyyrä. "If you are a Linux or Mac user, you should consider purchasing a regular CD player."

      This is tantamount to:

      "Now we need to understand that, for computer users, owning physical media is an extra privelige - one that requires extra effort. Normally people listen to music via iTunes or on Hardware MP3 Players from files they've encoded from their CD collection. If you are a Linux user, since we're being assholes about it, we suggest you download our media illegally"

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  3. Nice attitude, asshole. by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    those that can't because of DRM'd CDs should just go out and buy a CD player.

    And they wonder why there is so much animosity directed at their cartel from consumers.

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    1. Re:Nice attitude, asshole. by Monkelectric · · Score: 5, Insightful

      :-) What he's saying basically ... is ... "We want to redefine the problem so that you're the problem."

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  4. Only one side brings cash to the transaction by amichalo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Music industry execs need to remember this one simple thing: When they sell their music to us, only one side is bringing any money to the transaction. At the end of the day, it they don't offer something consumers will pay for, they will sell none of them. I don't own a Windows PC so I won't be purchasing any of their WMA only crap. Period.

    This discussion is very similar to the Jobs v. Music Industry debates over $0.99 song pricing and Jobs is right on the money - I am not going to pay more than a dollar for a song when I can get it for free using another application that is also on my computer.

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  5. The Real Problem by rlp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Customer sales for the recording industry is a privelege not a right. Profit is a privelege not a right. Just cause the recording industry has a failed business model and crappy product, doesn't mean government should create a 'right' for them to be profitable.

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  6. He's not talking about CDs by vijayiyer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because CDs, by definition, follow a standard, and play on all devices that conform to that standard.
    He should say "Playing music on a Mac from silver coasters that happen to play music in some CD players isn't a right."

  7. What About the Artists? by mysqlrocks · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It has consistently been my position that technologies like "Digital Rights Management" are less about preventing piracy, and more about finding new ways to nickel-and-dime customers.

    This is so true. Also, one thing that doesn't come up a lot is how much of this money actually makes it back to the artists? Artists have to constantly audit the record labels to get their fare share. They're not just nickel-and-diming the customers, they're nickel-and-diming the artists on the other end.

  8. They're trying to have their cake and eat it, too. by ViX44 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Stance 1: They're selling you a CD.
    If you buy a CD, you buy the limitation that it only plays on limited devices. You can't play it on your phonograph or eight-track, and it may not work on hardware that isn't Trusted. However, anything you can do with it (under fair use) you must be able to. Play it on your walkman, with audio out to the audio in of your linux box, and wash it through Audacity to get it on an MP3, if you like. You have that right because it's YOUR CD, and format-shifting is fair use.

    Stance 2: They're selling you a limited license to listen to a collection of music.
    If you buy a license to music, you have the right to hear that music. Copy protection that prevents your accessing your licensed music on devices that are Audio CD compatible (note the little "compact disk" logo on all standards-meeting CD playback devices) is an infringement on your rights to access your licensed property.

    They don't want to sell you a CD, because they lose control over it, but they are not letting you use the material you are legally licensed to when you 'buy' a CD's content for personal use. It'd be nice if they'd make up their minds beyond "give us your money, and up yours."

  9. Re:if they're drm'ed, they're NOT CD's! by guygee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's change DRM (Digital Rights Management) to DUM (Digitally Unusable Music), then we can call them "DUM CDs". Why accept the language of your opponent? Put it into plain terms people can understand.

  10. Hoisted by their own petard... by msauve · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If they want to play the game of unintended consequences, try this...

    Rip and burn from one of these DRM'd pieces of plastic, then make lots of copies on audio CD-Rs, which can be purchased for less than $1 each. Give (do not sell) those copies to all of your friends. It's all perfectly legal in the US.

    When you buy audio CD-R media, you're automatically paying a royalty tax (3% of wholesale) by law. The RIAA should be more careful about what it wishes for - they pushed for the legislation which allows this.

    18 USC, Chapter 10, Subchapter A, Section 1008 specifically states:

    No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or distribution of a digital audio recording device, a digital audio recording medium, an analog recording device, or an analog recording medium, or based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings.

    [emphasis added]

    So, copy and distribute (noncommercially) all you want!

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