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Municipal Broadband Projects Spread Across U.S.

Mediacitizen writes "Media rights group Free Press has just unveiled an online broadband map showing the vast extent to which publicly supported 'Community Internet' projects have overtaken towns across the country. Hundreds of communities now have municipal broadband systems on the drawing board, despite aggressive lobbying efforts by big telephone and cable companies to derail these projects. The national map shows Community Internet is spreading like a prairie fire."

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  1. Muni Broadband? Lets get WiMax to the other 20% by jimmydevice · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm tired reading of another solution for the poor urban that can afford a laptop and wireless. How about us sad 48K dialup bastards in the dark zone of rural internet.

  2. It's a Good Thing. by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is how broadband was introduced to the mid-sized towns (10k-30k population) in my region a few years back. Service has been much better than I've heard delivered from the big ISPs; I've only had one or two downtimes and they only lasted a few minutes...Though I did end up having to show the cable guy how to configure a network connection properly. All he knew was "ipconfig".

    1. Re:It's a Good Thing. by Slashdot_Gandhi · · Score: 3, Insightful



      Now this is boring, but I once read an interesting article regarding the issue of communism and open source (Is open source communist?)

      I can see similar questions being raised about the "Community Internet" as well, and it makes sense why such things don't last too long in USA. The entire discussion of communism in Community Projects seems focussed around proving how evil they might be simply on the grounds of being remotely communist or hinting to be so. "Its communist so don't do it" is one of the many messages delivered in many forms.

      Basically, if an ISP can make good money off providing broadband service, why will it let a community body run such projects for free or cheap? The student loan system in USA is a vaguely related, yet relevant example. Why do we have 500+ billion for war but not for education or medicare? And free Internet?

    2. Re:It's a Good Thing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Why do we have 500+ billion for war but not for education or medicare? And free Internet?

      Well, because when the Islamic Extremists cut off your head becuase you shaved your beard or didn't pray today you won't need an education, health care or 'free internet'? Do you really think thugs will go away if you ignore them? Nothing is free.

    3. Re:It's a Good Thing. by keraneuology · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Basically, if an ISP can make good money off providing broadband service, why will it let a community body run such projects for free or cheap?

      They are fighting tooth and nail to prevent the cities from providing this service: they don't want to provide the service themselves, but they don't want anybody else to provide the service, either. While the various companies involved aren't actually declaring a goal of ensuring that certain groups of people don't have broadband access, this is indeed the de facto result.

      In many communities the local cable franchise has a codified monopoly for wired TV delivery systems, with the cables almost always running across public land for which they pay anywhere from nothing to a pittance. The cities explicitly exclude any other cable company from running cables across that same land which guarantees a monopoly for the cable company. In some areas a similar arrangement exists with landlines for the POTS: where I currently reside there is one and only one wired telephone service available because of an exclusive contract signed with the municipality. Apples to apples competition is excluded by law and the POTS company charges appropriately and refuses to upgrade their system in terms of quality or features - after 8 years they still flatly and explicitly refuse to provide DSL service here and "have no plans" to ever do so in the future.

      When the county announced plans for a municipal wifi solution for all residents the POTSco (which also happens to be a major wireless carrier) quickly muttered something about how this is unfair because at some point in the future they may want to consider wireless broadband for the area (but they still "have no plans" to actually introduce the service here) and are fighting tooth and nail against the county's plan.

      What is even more annoying is that within 10 miles of my current address they are actively engaged in the construction of various subdivisions that are collectively worth somewhere between .75 - 1.25 billion dollars. If the county had listened to people who knew better 10 years ago they would have require any new subdivision to bring fiber to the entry, then 1/3 of one of the largest counties of the state would have had fiber by now because if fiber is available across the street then it is trivial to make it available for you as well.

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  3. Ahhh, "open source" networks! by bitmonki · · Score: 2, Insightful

    F/OSS software is the only truly free market of which I am aware, and the methodology of building and sharing one's own has spread into other arena well--beauty!

    Markets work on info, and the telcos/cable unreasonable rates have been "taxing" small business and consultants (such as myself) at highly excessive rates.

    These communities, one or another "get it"--their economies will enefit in sooooo many ways from this (relatively) minor investments.

    I love it.

  4. Municipal Broadband by mrclark13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's nice and all, but for most states it is at most 4 or 5 municipalities. How many thousands are in the US total? Plus, what is the impact on local taxes of providing "free" broadband. Personally, I'd rather have some free market competition to drive prices down.

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    1. Re:Municipal Broadband by Burning1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You mean market compitition like Pacific Bell vs... well... Pacific Bell?

  5. The ISPs say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    "They are coming captain!! They are everywhere! We can't stop them!!"
    "Hold your position!! Reinforcement will arrive soon!!"
    "We can't hold the line much long-"NO CARRIER

  6. Re:Community Net II by Zapraki · · Score: 5, Funny
    line-of-sight internet access in rural Saskatchewan
    So... that pretty much encompases the entire province I'd say.
  7. Re:Community Net II by saskboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    "So... that pretty much encompases the entire province I'd say."

    Sweet joke. Yeah they just put a tower up on Spy Hill, Wood Mountain, and Climax for redundancy, as a tower anywhere would serve all locations, or at least the edges of towns facing the towers.

    For those that don't get the joke, there are no towers in any of those three places that sound like high elevations, and SK has an un-deserved reputation for being a completely flat wheat field because that's what it looks like from the Trans Canada Highway through the southern grain belt. Nearly half of the province is actually trees, lakes, rocks, and brush.

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  8. Qwest and Utopia by helix400 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sad my city voted down Utopia. Qwest sent every one of their lobbyists out to stop this plan of FTTH for every home and business in the city. They argued it would fail and cost the cities money. But if it failed, then the fiber plan would go out to the highest bidder. Obviously, Qwest could have afforded it had they known it would fail....but they knew it wouldn't fail. So they had to stop it.

    Luckily other cities voted for it. Already some are offering cheap plans for 15MB down and up, with businesses getting 30 MB down and up.

  9. Socialism . . . by Amiasian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    . . . is hereby proven to not always be a bad thing. Historic biases not withstanding.

  10. Insularband. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Hundreds of communities now have municipal broadband systems on the drawing board, despite aggressive lobbying efforts by big telephone and cable companies to derail these projects."

    Well that's all well and good, but I'll let you in on a secret. The internet is composed of linked smaller networks. Municipal broadband to be truely useful, needs to be linked to other networks. Guess who owns those links? That's right, telephone and cable. It's one thing to be insular and say "I don't need you". It's another to realize that you are just spiting your face.

    "The national map shows Community Internet is spreading like a prairie fire.""

    Ms O'Leary's cow will be glad to hear that.

  11. One can only hope... by James+the+Warder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    that this causes existing providers to lower their rates.

  12. The Modern Library by daemonenwind · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The internet is to the modern age what books were to those who came before. In the past, you could be intelligent and educated if your family could afford a fairly large, private library, stocked with the expected classics. Or if you had access to one somehow, usually through a university.

    The advent of public libraries allowed common people access to the educational tools and knowledge base once held only by the social elite. This lies at the heart of the American Dream - people who labor for little or nothing can raise children who, through public education and public libraries, know a more prosperous life as their inborn potential allows. The social and financial potential of their parents no longer truly mattered.

    Today, almost anything you could want to learn exists on the internet, from home repairs to getting a foundation in some of the most advanced scientific research mankind does. Not having this access leaves you at a serious disadvantage to those who do have it. A modern city of any signifigance does not exist without a public library at its center somewhere, and, if society acts with the same wisdom as before, ways will be found to bring the internet readily to the masses. Civic access to the internet is, in this context, the only truly logical way to go.

    Besides, Orson Scott Card predicted civic net access in Ender's Game. You wanna argue against the guy?

  13. Welfare for techies by Arandir · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I cannot understand why people think this is a good policy. It's welfare for techies. Who is going to be using these new taxpayer funded networks? The very people most able to afford broadband access! Do you really think the poor are going to be flocking down to BestBuy to pick up laptops so they can take advantage of this "free" service? Hah! This is a giveaway to the rich! If this is truly for the poor and needy, then why not give them $20 a month to go shop for online access?

    But beyond that, I can't understand why *slashdot* readers are creaming their pants over this topic. If it were anything else they would be bitching at government intrusion into our lives. We're worried about the government snooping on our networks, yet we're clamouring for government owned networks? There's a whole section on Slashot called "YRO", yet no one seems to realize that government operated wifi networks are a huge threat to your rights online.

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    1. Re:Welfare for techies by KillShill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      they're owned by the communities, local ones. not by the government.

      and since commercial isp's can't provide good service at a reasonable price, then they can fuck off.

      50 bucks a month for lousy 3 mb/s down? if we had competition, you know, back in the olden days before government was invented, we could get the same service for 10 bucks a month.

      sounds like you're not very interested in competition... even if it must come from sources you don't like. i'd rather satan open an isp and let people get cheap fast access than to continue with govt sanctioned bribe-induced monopolies.

      prices and service is absolutely atrocious. something definitely needs to be done. no more fucking monopolies for the rich baby bells and cable companies.

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    2. Re:Welfare for techies by jcnnghm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      a) Infrastructure is traditionally a public expense (see the road system) or a few people build a ton of it, lock the rest out, and charge every few miles.

      b) We are rapidly going to an IP based market for all services. My phones now run over IP, in the next couple of years I'm sure we'll see a good IPTV offering when the Internet speeds get high enough. Intrusion would be allowing one company to own the line to your house, and only provide their TV, Phone, and Voice services without competition (i.e. Only providing QoS on their products).

      c) I do not care about the poor. There, I said it. I don't care if the poor can't buy a laptop. I don't care if the poor don't need wireless internet. I do not care. And here is why. If you base all of your decisions on "will this be good for the poor" then you don't get anywhere. Building and maintaining roads isn't good for the poor, but I'm pretty sure we need those. More importantly, the poor aren't going to be the ones paying for it anyway, they're poor. Government spending doesn't always have to focus on the lowest common denominator. Everybody pays taxes, everyone should benefit equally (welfare does nothing for me, anybody in my family, or anyone I know for instance, but that doesn't mean we should eliminate it totally).

      d) The government already monitors the Internet. Ever heard of Carnivore and its replacement project? What about the Patriot Act? What do you think the NSA uses all of those supercomputers for? (this is all idle speculation, but they really can't do anything more with government owned infrastructure than without)

      Just because the government pays for and builds the infrastructure does not mean that free enterprise is eliminated. On the contrary, if they mandate certain things (QoS for VoIP, IPTV), they can allow private companies (say a Baby Bell, they do have a lot of experience) to maintain the network (just for Internet) with short term contracts (1-5 years) so that if they are doing a bad job, they can be replaced with a competitor (say through a, I don't know, Democratic vote), because the government owns all the infrastructure. Further, the other services that the Internet provides (TV, Phone) can be sold by ANYONE, ANYWHERE because of the built in QoS. Of course, the Comcast's of the world have a leg up because they are established and have buying power, but because they don't own the line, they're not the only game in town.

      In short, the government builds it and pays for it, private enterprise runs it to spec, or is replaced. Any company can provide any IP based service with assured quality.

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    3. Re:Welfare for techies by jc42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I cannot understand why people think this is a good policy. It's welfare for techies.

      Well, as one of those techies, all I can say is "Sounds good to me!" If hiring people to provide a wanted service is "welfare", I'll take the label along with the job. I've been insulted in worse ways by the neocon crowd.

      Anyway, if you're not a techie (aka "nerd"), WTF are you doing here? Didn't you read the line at the top of the main page? Do we have a non-nerd spy in our midst?

      Leaving internet access to the commercial guys makes just about as much sense as leaving the road system to them. They've had over a decade to convince us, and what they've done is supply service only to the cities. As with roads, electricity, and telephone service a century ago, they can't be bothered with the low-density areas. And now they have the gall to fight "community" internet politically. They won't supply service, and they want to make it illegal for us to supply our own service.

      If they can't and won't do the job, the hell with them. Give the job to the people who are willing to do it. (Hey, that's us techies. And a lot of our hick rural buddies out in the sticks. ;-)

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  14. Re:Common cents by johansalk · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Broadband Reports explains that Texas Representative Pete Sessions is trying to pass the "Preserving Innovation in Telecom Act of 2005" (HR2726), which would ban towns and cities from wiring themselves for broadband.

    However Sessions is not only a 16 year ex-SBC employee, his wife works for Cingular, and he holds half a million dollars in SBC stock options, according to an e-mail being circulated today by media reform outfit Free Press.

    "Congressman Sessions is the latest poster child for corruption on Capitol Hill," says Josh Silver, executive director of Free Press."

    from http://www.dailywireless.org/modules.php?name=News &file=article&sid=4255

  15. Question by scavok · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How is this causing cable and telecommunications companies to lose money? The cities and states aren't getting free bandwith. It's costing taxpayers money. Where is that money going if it's not to the Qwests and Comcasts who own and maintain the internet infrastructure in cities?

  16. Powered by by bckspc · · Score: 2, Informative

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  17. Municipal Broadband by jcdick1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Where I live in Wyandotte, Michigan, we've had municipal broadband for years. Its not free, but "competitively priced" as if a company provided the service. I pay ~$50 for 4Mb/512k cable service. The city contracted a Canadian provider, ParaSun Technologies, to be the ISP. The city owns the cable network, so they can provide whatever services they want. Of course, the city also owns their own power plant and water treatment facilities. The only services provided by public utility companies is natural gas and telephone.

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  18. Municipal Services or Co-op by Trailwalker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Basic services are often provided by municipalities. Water, sewerage, police, roads, et al.

    An alternative to municipal or state provision of services is the co-op. Co-ops brought electricity to vast areas when private electric companies/monopolies would not make the investment in infrastructure to make electricity available.

    Internet access is rapidly becoming a necessity. If private business will not service a market, then local government or a co-op can do this. Which of the two is a matter of local circumstance.

    The co-op seems to be an overlooked option.

  19. Welcome to look at our 1 Gbps... by tomas.bjornerback · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hi!

    Welcome to look at our 1 Gbps/100 Mbps project. It has been online since 1999 and just got upgraded to 1 Gbps uplink to the Internet.

    http://www.bjornerback.com/tomas/mattgrand (currently 77 845 visitors since 1999).

    And yes, my server WILL be able to handle a Slashdotting! (I guess quite a lot of you guys already have seen the page, but it got updated with pictures of the 1 Gbps equipment a few days ago). /Tomas

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    I have 1 Gbps Internet access@home