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Martian Naming Madness
Macblaster writes "With the rise of robotic exploration of Mars, scientists are having difficulty naming all the new features they're discovering. Accepted name lists have fallen by the wayside, and now scientifically important features are named after everything from 80's bands to romantic interests." From the article: "Like European explorers who named the New World after their homes in the Old, the Mars scientists have filled the strange landscape of the Red Planet with a mishmash of modern life on Earth. The twin rover missions have forced scientists to come up with more than 4,000 names to mark everything from the majestic Columbia Hills to a few pebbles in the sand. The result is an extravagantly labeled map punctuated by the scientists' ever-changing preoccupations with history, holidays, monkeys, ice cream, cartoon characters, sushi, Mayan words, Scandinavian fish delicacies ... the list goes on and on."
How long before someone is selling the rights to name a rock on ebay? NASA could probably raise the money for a mars mission within a year if they did that!
Actually the article says 70s bands. But it would rule to have Martian features named Oingo Boingo, Wall of Voodoo, Bananarama and Dire Straits.
Scandanavian fish delicacies? Ye gods!
Oh someone please don't tell me they've named a hill or rock or crater "Lutefisk"! Please, no!
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Unfortunately, people have to be dead for three years before you can use their name, so CowboyNeal Crater is right out.
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....on the web page and collect a big list of proposed names. Filter out dupes and obsene references and then build an online queue of names.
You could almost automate the process. Optical software on the rover identifies rocks (that's what it is for). Ground based software associates identifiers with submitted names.
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Names are a cultural phenomenon. People feel very strongly about names. E.g. some countries have lists of names, you must name your kid from the list (unless you are a foreigner -- then they usually let you off the hook).
Whites in American tend to have a set of names (large) that they pick from. They tend not to pick names at random (which is what this article is about). But poor whites will choose non-standard spellings for normal names.
Try to see what your own attitudes are to names, with this simple test:
There are some black NFL players with non-standard names. Here are 10 unique ones:
Laveranues
Na'il
Jerametrius
J'Vonne
Kenyatta
Dontarrious
Plaxico
LaDainian
Shirdonya
Keyaron
If you read that list of names and felt like laughing, you are probably not black, and you are probably offended that rocks on Mars are getting silly names.
On the other hand, if you don't care about those names and how non-standard they are, I bet you don't care what the rocks on Mars get called either.
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The whole idea of naming Martian items is because they have scientific importance, or are geographically important. The rovers probably look very closely at some items, so it's convenient to name even tiny items rather than just saying "that rock/plateau/hill over there".
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See this is what happens when you don't have a handy native to pull over and ask what the landmark is called. For those who don't know here's a quote from Terry Pratchetts "Light Fantastic"
The forest of Skund was indeed enchanted, which was nothing unusual on the Disc, and was also the only forest in the whole universe to be called -- in the local language -- Your Finger You Fool, which was the literal meaning of the word Skund.
The reason for this is regrettably all too common. When the first explorers from the warm lands around the Circle Sea travelled into the chilly hinterland they filled in the blank spaces on their maps by grabbing the nearest native, pointing at some distant landmark, speaking very clearly in a loud voice, and writing down whatever the bemused man told them. Thus were immortalised in generations of atlases such geographical oddities as Just A Mountain, I Don't Know, What? and, of course, Your Finger You Fool.
To name rocks, I mean? Ones that are smaller than, say, a city block?
I'm sure we won't be the first culture to 'discover' an area and start out with many small and localized names and eventually end up with a few that are still with us. And people throughout history have been naming ares smaller than what we consider a city block. (Like say, some hypothetical area in colonial england called "The Old Farm")
Likely, most of these names will become temporary scientific community jargon, and eventually replaced by something more serious than naming a local hill after a music club.
I do expect a few will stick though and it'd be interesting to see how the "telephone game" affects the history behind the more comical names that stuck.
~Rebecca
A: "The weathering on RNX-395 is more indicative of water than the conventional weathering on PTZ-867 and HOV-284. Turn a the rover a little left so we can go by IPF-270."
B: "I have no idea what you just said."
The problem with numbering schemes is that all the numbers sound alike to people, and that matching the density of the numbering to the density of the items is hard. It's good for stars and rocky solar bodies because you don't actually have to navigate those, and you're rarely going to want to refer to a number of them that are in the same area, specifically, in a single sentence. They're also going to stay in the same place.... once the Rover has gone by a bunch of small rocks, the next robot or person to visit that area isn't going to be able to find the same rocks. The wind's going to blow them about.
These names are essentially temporary and conversational. They're here for the nasa engineers to use when having an intense conversation about the right thing to do. They're much more like the names of cities or neighbourhoods. Just about every state in the US has a Columbus and a Springfield. Every city has a street named after Martin Luther King. The conversational convenience of knowing that you only have to use that easy to remember name in a specific context is much more useful than a collision-free system.
After all, who do you know that gives directions based on postal codes? "Yeah, you just go down past 98245, you'll see it on the left." The Postal Office needs this kind of addressing, but almost nobody else does.
There is not unprecedented. There are around 6000 naked eye stars (total for both hemispheres under good seeing conditions with no light polution). No problems with naming the major ones and giving the others designations by constellation or according to one of many catalogues. (Only insanity here is there's a huge overlap between catalogs so one star can have many names).
There is incredible diversity in the number of species on Earth and again that's been no problem for science. (Okay the Latin is archaic now but it had its merits when the system was conceived).
The problem is that scientists are forgetting to be scientific and use their basic scientific tools - classification being one of the most powerful. Trouble is no scientist or NASA spokesperson wants to tell the public about his exciting discovery on rock NW2345, when it could be called Van Halen or some other name that would capture public imagination.
This is similar to the problems caused by coders who name their variables inane things from swearwords to girls names that have nothing to do with their purpose.
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A rock up there is named Spongebob Squarepants, with a feature on the rock named Patrick (Squarepants' friend & sidekick). I am sure the name is unofficial, well I hope it is anyway. With names taken from popular culture, somebody somewhere is going to get their panties in a bunch over it. What happens if a region starts getting names from J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter series? I mean, it was last year I think that the word 'moogle' was entered Dictionaries. That's pretty mainstream. Personally, I think that is a travesty.
Point being, if J. Rowlings takes offense at her names of characters and world in her books are starting to be used for features on Mars, then she might want some kind of compensation for them, maybe only a paraphysical presence in a future mars mission. But what if it comes later? Like all this IP submarining crap that is all the rage is legal and corporate circles these days.
Some dead tired scientist names a obvious shaped rock 'Big Mac'. McDonald's finds out about it 3 years later and wants a clause written in some contract somewhere that everytime a name is used from their menu, NASA has to pay royalties or some such. Or worse yet, could NASA be cohersed into commercial or corporate interests in a different way than they already are?
It's 5 o'clock in the AM where I am typing this message at and my brain is starting to hurt. I hate the fact that any resonably intelligent person now automatically starts thinking of how IP can be used in a negative light. However you want to characterise that.
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Actually, one name on your list isn't confected or random: Kenyatta.
Jomo Kenyatta was the first leader of the modern state of Kenya, and is a hero to many, especially among African-Americans.
So naming a kid "Kenyatta" is a little like naming him "Jefferson" or "Franklin".
They should auction off naming rights for a few objects to the general public.
Put the funds towards an engineering scholarship for some kid who wants to work on the next mission.
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I'm not even American, and I take grave offence at your comments. Kalpana Chawla, Rick Husband, William McCool and their colleagues were astronauts who were killed when Columbia burned and broke up on re-entry (You know, Columbia, the space shuttle).
Whilst naming after not-very-dead-yet people seems to be in conflict with international protocol, I can't think of too many more appropriate names for a group of significant landmarks. Those folks died exploring, doing *exactly* what the Mars missions are about. I'm pleased and proud to hear that significant landmarks on Mars have been named after them.
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This is not serious at all. The names are without a doubt temporary used by the NASA employees for charting. Its quite a bit easier to remember something that sounds completely retarded compared to a couple numbers and letters.
...and they don't last forever. In Australia and New Zealand, for example, names that were in place for hundreds (NZ) or thousands (Aust) years were ignored by the British settlers when naming them in the 18th/19th century. Slowly, more of them - particularly significant ones like mountains - are becoming known by their original names.
A lot of people view this as being PC, but I think a bigger issue is that the names actually had meaning for the original inhabitants and the stories of these names were recorded in song, visual arts, histories, etc. which gives them an ongoing reason to have the names. On the other hand, if you just give something a name because it's different than anything else, at some stage someone will have to make a name meaningful, and they'll do it without reference to the original. (When China settles Mars, for example, I'm sure they won't keep the English names).
what? George III had a planet named in his honour so that when he looked through a telescope he would ask "what's that?" Astronomer: "Uranus My majesty." Teh King: "You're fired"
It's sad to see that such a piece of uninformed disinformation could make it past the Yahoo and LA Times editorial staff. It is nothing but a dumb rant from a clueless journalist. Then again, in science reporting that is nothing new.
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"When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name ..."
everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere... the Microsoft Galaxy... Planet Starbucks.
(And when the story is duped, I'll get to post, "Everything is just a copy of copy..." Whee!)
It's not really that big a problem. Just because it's named one thing doesn't mean it can't be changed. Just ask the people of St. Petersburg^W Petrograd^W Leningrad^W St. Petersburg, they've been through four names in the last hundred years (and only to get back where they started too). It's no big deal, names can be set now, and changed later, and if not, hey, it'll be funny to mock people living in "Spongebob!".