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U.S. Army To Ramp Up Anthrax Purchasing

An anonymous reader writes "New Scientist reports that the U.S. Army wants to purchase a large supply of an anthrax strain." From the article: "A series of contracts have been uncovered that relate to the US army's Dugway Proving Ground in Utah. They ask companies to tender for the production of bulk quantities of a non-virulent strain of anthrax, and for equipment to produce significant volumes of other biological agents ... Although the Sterne strain is not thought to be harmful to humans and is used for vaccination, the contracts have caused major concern. 'It raises a serious question over how the US is going to demonstrate its compliance with obligations under the Biological Weapons Convention if it brings these tanks online,'"

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  1. Yep by krist0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    how did the US know Saddam had those WMDs?

    They have the receipt

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    1. Re:Yep by Xaositecte · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except Saddam signed a treaty saying he wouldn't have them...

      Sorta've like how a convicted felon can't own guns legally.

    2. Re:Yep by adolfojp · · Score: 4, Funny
    3. Re:Yep by RWerp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We're not children. If you have a significant amount of something as deadly as anthrax (remember Colin Powell in the UN?), there MUST be some trace. No matter what you do with it, truck it to Syria, sell it to the Martians, burn it, put in a rocket and shoot in space -- there must be some trace, some papers, some empty cans, some people. If after 2 years of free inspections in Iraq, the Americans did not discover a SINGLE TRACE -- the answer is obvious. There were no such weapons in the first place.

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    4. Re:Yep by medelliadegray · · Score: 4, Informative

      1.) The US sold the WMD's to him in the early 80's
      2.) He used WMD's on Iranian soldiers and civilians and its OK
      3.) He used WMD's on his own citizens and its OK--only until almost a decade later when we decide its not ok.

      "He refused to allow a vigorous inspection to prove he didn't have them."
      When you're making a case for war--any excuse is used.
        a.) The inspecors were in there for years befor ehe initially kicked them out.
        b.) Inspectors were initially let back in befor the war.
        c.) inspectors themselves said it was extremely unlikely he had WMD's.

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    5. Re:Yep by Bobzibub · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, Rumsfield was over there selling him more weaponry after the fact.

      http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&q=r umsfeld+hussein+shake+hands&spell=1

      I've also read that they used Bell helicopters fitted for the job--the Commerce department won over the State department.

      So when the administration used the gassings as a reason for war, they were just "crocodile tears".

      -b

  2. BTWC site by HasBean · · Score: 5, Informative

    FYI: the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention has a website.

  3. Fearmongering? by Aoreias · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The whole argument just smacks of fearmongering, and throws the word anthrax around as much as possible. They're not creating a biological weapons lab, just procuring enough to probably use for threat assessment of biological weapon dispersion. This is something I'd actually expect a sane government to do, and not be surprised about.

    It's not going to be used for weaponry, and the US has enough nuclear firepower to not need biological weaponry, which are much more unpredictable in effect, and less reliable.

    Bad journalism, coming straight from NewScientist.

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    1. Re:Fearmongering? by n54 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're spot on. The NewScientist angle is no surprise really, at least not to me and I've been reading NewScientist on and off for years - they often pay lip-service to the less rational segments of society/university culture in Britain to boost their circulation.

      What else can one call a "news report" that says:
      "Although the Sterne strain is not thought to be harmful to humans and is used for vaccination"
      but still avoids mentioning the fact that anthrax has to be militarized to be classified as a biological weapon and then goes on to cry wolf even though it should be clearly selfcontradictionary to even a casual reader? They're obviously playing on the fact that most of their readers don't have a clue about anthrax as naturally occuring in the soil (and who in their right mind would classify the soil itself as a biological weapon? Doing so would be as bizarre as the "news"...). Or maybe they're betting on most of those readers willfully ignoring this if they are aware of it in order to revel in their already firmly established selfgratifying world-view.

      Sunshine Project http://www.sunshine-project.org/ is just another typical activist organisation and not someone exactly brimming with scientific credibility (they're an NGO who find scientists that support them just like any other halfassed activist group like Greenpeace).

      I bet 95% of all slashdotters will gobble this "news" up without much further thought (lest this post prevents that).

      Not that NewScientist is a real scientific journal, it's just a popular science rag, but this is the same reasons society needs something better to replace the often ambiguous claims to being "a peer-reviewed journal/publication" or in general those words that have sadly lost any meaning beyond their buzzword value like "integrity" and "independent".

      No matter the kind or size of media we need to know who those "peers" are (and not just the final link but all the way into the news source) and how and what they were thinking to make any such system have any real credibility (no more hiding behind anonymous facades or dubious groups). In short: we need truly responsible transparent journalism to replace what has become a putrid wound festering with personal political bias, plain corruption and lack of understanding and knowledge be it scientific or otherwise. Otherwise the noise-to-signal ratio will simply always remain so high as to make it all irrelevant to any intelligent reader.

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  4. Re:Just goes to show... by ocelotbob · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From the article:
    It is not known what use the biological agents will be put to. They could be used to test procedures to decontaminate vehicles or buildings, or to test an "agent defeat" warhead designed to destroy stores of chemical and biological weapons.
    Quit your mindless fearmongering.
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  5. Re:no treaty obligations by Maset · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The nuclean non-proliferation treaty calls for all nuclear weapon armed states to steadily reduce their nuclear weapons stockpile, not try and develop new mini-nukes or stall weapons reduction.

  6. Looks legit to me. by chris_sawtell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They could just want all that anthrax strain, which is used for vaccinations, to do just that. Vaccinate all the armed forces people first and then the whole of the US population. It is realistically possible that for just once this is on the straight. Now, as my previous postings show, I'm not Uncle Sam's lover, but don't ascribe to malice ...

  7. Re:Just goes to show... by fireboy1919 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How is this "insightful" and not "flamebait?" Its like they'll let anybody moderate.

    Oh well.

    There are lots of countries that have WMD. The US government has no problem with WMD per se, just problems in the hands of those who might attack the US or its allies.

    IIRC, Bush hasn't actually asked for the disarming of all these countries. He has asked that we take them out of the hands of nutcases who will use them as a first line of attack rather than a last resort; people who find ethnic cleansing an acceptable thing (he clouded the issue a bit by labeling them terrorists, but the reason they are terrorists seems clear enough to me).

    The request itself, unlike the mechanism put in place to do it, seems reasonable enough.

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  8. Think vaccine by jeffs72 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It's a violation of the USA's own weapons policy to mass produce, or use in the field of war under any circumstances, biological agents. As a retired NBC weapons/decon grunt, I can tell you that you'd have rank and file desertions if a unit was ordered to deploy a bioweapon. Indoctrination at the private level and above preaches against the use of biological agents over and over.

    What the DoD is doing here is making some anthrax vaccine, because we're out. We used a lot of it with our second Iraq deployment, and the fear is very real that someone will use an anthrax weapon in a terrorist attack. The army wants to get some vaccine, and start making their own so they aren't reliant on outside contractors to produce it. It's always been a weak point in our policy I think to rely upon civilan companies to produce vaccines for biological agents (and checmical for that matter).

    A crop duster full of anthrax would cause some serious mayhem in the US, or anywhere else for that matter, think about it.

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  9. Re:Interesting double standard by chefren · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The logic is the reverse: If its NOT ok for these other nations, why is it ok for the US?

  10. Re:Just goes to show... by Itchy+Rich · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Stop the US bashing

    Stop bombing people. Stop toppling democratically elected governments. Stop preaching about democracy when your own government is controlled by corporate lobbyists. Stop torturing people. Stop imprisonment without trial. Clean up your pollution.

    I have good friends who are citizens of the USA. Lots of you are nice people, but as a nation you face justifiable critisism.

    If people criticising the USA makes you unhappy then do something about the bad things your country is doing. Don't try and stop the free speech that your great nation was founded on.

  11. Re:no treaty obligations by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The fact that Anthrax got loose in Washington, and the way the investigation was stonewalled seems to indicate that the US has not been adhering very stringently to the spirit of any convention.

    "got loose"? You mean: "was mailed there" by some loon. You're making it sound like the Downtown Washington DC Anthrax Depot, badly handled by some sort of yukapuk guarding it with a whistle and a nightstick, somehow sprung a leak. Rather, someone who knew what they were doing with the organism and had the specific will to cause some chaos with it acted to do just so. How is that any example of the U.S. not adhering the "spirit of any convention" (my emphasis)? That sentence (and concept) just doesn't make any contextual sense whatsoever.

    That's like saying that because some maniac in Japan slit the throats of some school children, that Japan is "once again going to war." Or that the Spanish guy who raped and murdered a French schoolgirl shows that there the spirit of the Geneva convention is being ignored by Spain in their conflict with France. What? That's crazy? Right.

    On the other hand testing your weapons on your own population does not infringe on any treaty AFAIK.

    Wow! You sure know something that no one else does! Unless of course you're just BSing because it's fun to pretend that a secret US method of testing a bio-weapon on its own citizens would be to mail it to people. What complete, tinfoil-lined crap, and you know it. I can't believe this was modded insightful. Wait... where am I? Slashdot? I suppose I can, actually.

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  12. Re:No! by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is very inconsistent with the claim, "we went in it for the oil."

    It's entirely consistent. The people behind the war didn't start it to reduce fuel costs for ordinary Americans. They started it to control the production of oil in order to increase their own wealth.

    It's about oil producers. They don't give a rats arse about oil consumers. Look at the price gouging that's happening right now.

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  13. Re:no treaty obligations by kaitou · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd like to quote you Article 4 of the Geneva convention:
    Nationals of a State which is not bound by the Convention are not protected by it. Nationals of a neutral State who find themselves in the territory of a belligerent State, and nationals of a co-belligerent State, shall not be regarded as protected persons while the State of which they are nationals has normal diplomatic representation in the State in whose hands they are.

    Not sure how it applies in the case of armed fighters not fighting on behalf of a government or fighting on behalf of a government not signatory to the geneva convention.
    I'd also disagree on the "terrorism against captives" bit, terrorism is against civilians. Pearl Harbor wasn't a terrorist attack for example. A captured enemy fighter is not a civilian by definition.

    Yeah, you sure done showed us good!

    Seems he has if you can't even log in to post.

  14. Fearmongering?! by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fearmongering?! Are you for real? Only morons trust their government. I'd go so far as to say that people who trust the government are traitors to their nation.