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Voyager 1 Sends Messages from the Edge

dalmozian writes "NASA's Latest News about the Voyager 1 is being run on Sci-Tech. The Voyager has passed into the border region at the edge of the solar system and now is sending back information about this never-before-explored area, say scientists at the University of Maryland. From the article: 'Voyager 1 and its twin spacecraft Voyager 2 are now part of a NASA Interstellar Mission to explore the outermost edge of the sun's domain and beyond. Both Voyagers are capable of returning scientific data from a full range of instruments, with adequate electrical power and attitude control propellant to keep operating until 2020.'" The proof of crossing the termination shock was covered earlier this year but now we can see the actual data.

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  1. Why are they cancelling funding...? by barawn · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I actually got to see this data presented at a cosmic ray conference this summer. There are a few things you have to realize:

    • This is the only astronomical shock we are able to study closely
    • There are a lot of things we don't understand about shocks
    • Voyager 2 is still working, with better instruments, and will reach the termination shock early
    • We're seeing things we never, never expected


    For instance, on the last bit, we expected to see cosmic rays from the termination shock, because shocks accelerate particles. We see them. But they don't appear to be coming from the shock. They're coming from somewhere else that we don't know. We see another set of cosmic rays (with a different spectrum) that we don't understand at all - we just call them "anomalous cosmic rays."

    Also, inside the heliosphere, Voyager 1 kept crossing magnetic domains (so a needle on a compass would swing back and forth) periodically. It was expected after the shock that those domain switches would keep happening, much much faster. That didn't happen. In fact, the domain switches stopped. We don't understand why. That doesn't make a lot of sense.

    This is our only probe and our only example of a large astronomical shock. It's full of information about how the Universe produces such violent outbursts like supernovae, or gamma ray bursts. We need to keep studying this.
    1. Re:Why are they cancelling funding...? by barawn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      One of the other posts claimed that the termination shock is the only astrophysical shock we can study so we need to keep funding Voyager. It isn't entirely true that the termination shock between our heliosphere and the interstellar wind is the ONLY astrophysical shock we can study. A shock in a space plasma is a shock no matter where it is, and they all are pretty similar.

      No. Absolutely not. The termination shock is huge. It's something like ~150-200 AU across the heliosphere. We have no idea what the structure of a shock like that is. I said it's the only astrophysical shock we can study, and I stand by that - it's the only astrophysical scale shock we can study. CMEs are far too small.

      The fact that we're seeing things we completely didn't expect should tell you that. We do not understand the acceleration of particles at a shock. Coronal mass ejections happen in a few seconds. The termination shock has existed for millions of years. These are very different phenomena.

      Cancelling the funding for Voyager right now is simply idiotic. We just found out that a lot of assumptions we had about the termination shock are wrong, and there's another probe heading there right now!, with more instruments! In terms of science per dollar, there is no better bet right now than funding Voyager.

  2. i 0\/\/n0rZ t3h \/()j463r! woooot! by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Let's /. the voyager!

    I thought about something along those lines a while back. More specifically, with most space probes, what's stopping a malevolant third party from sending their own control transmissions to a probe, and making it do their bidding?

    My guess is that they might include some precautions nowadays, but what of probes from a few years back?

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    1. Re:i 0\/\/n0rZ t3h \/()j463r! woooot! by Ernesto+Alvarez · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The fact that *you* don't have the resources doesn't alter the fact that many foreign governments probably do.


      And what would be the benefit of pwning a voyager probe?

      If some government screwed one of the probes and told everyone how 1337 they are, do you think it would improve their reputation?

      Being called "The bunch of idiots who ruined Voyager 1" wouldn't be precisely the publicity a government would like.

      (I wonder from how many organizations their scientists would be kicked out for pulling a stunt like that)

  3. Don't They? by dsci · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Both Mars rovers have exceeded expected life AND generated a lot of useful, intriguing data. That's a purty good record, too.

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  4. Re:Top 10 List by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Even if they did have the wheel that does do not offer an easy answer to how they moved the stones. You would have problems with things like bearings and road surfaces. Sliding is a much more probable method. Remember wheels are only effect on smooth level surfaces.
    I believe that that many people think they may have used rollers of some kind if not pulleys.
    I find it odd that the Egyptians seemed to have figured out how to work metal, quarry stone, have a system of writing and government but had never seen a log roll down a hill? I would bet they had wheels. They may not have used them to move the stones but I bet they had them.

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  5. FOS by oliverthered · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Couldn't they just open source Voyager and get a number of nations to fork the bill?

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  6. Big stuff in the Kuiper belt by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Many scientists now believe that Pluto should be more properly classified as the largest Kuiper Belt Object ever found.

    Even that is debatable, if the figures on 2003 UB313 are anywhere near correct. If it's as shiny as white snow, it's bigger than Pluto. If it's darker, it's bigger still.

    ...laura

  7. Re:Top 10 List by mindstrm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Pivoting on fulcrums... using balancing, one man can do an awful lot of stuff with very little energy.

    I can't find the original page, but check out the video on exn....

    Backyard Stonehenge

  8. Re:Top 10 List by hazem · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, another mystery has to do with who actually built them and when. Many Egyptologists claim they were made around 5000 years. But a geologist, Robert Schoch (and others) noticed while visiting the Giza plateau that some of the erosion was water-erosion rather than wind. I believe records show that there has not been that much water on plateau in the last 5000 years. In fact I *think* the evidence is that water at that level and quantity was not on the plateau since at least 10,000 years.

    So, if the structures are there, and there is water erosion on them - and the water to do that erosion hasn't been there since 10,000, it indicates that the stuctures have been there at least 10,000 years.

    Schoch may be a crackpot, or maybe he misinterpreted the erosion evidence. But, the best the egyptoligists throw back is, "it cannot have been built 10,000 years ago because we know it was built 5,000 years ago."

    So, I would say, indeed, there is a mystery. Were they really built 10,000 years ago, and if so, who was there 10,000 years ago, and how did they do it?

  9. Re:Top 10 List by kyle90 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Isn't the Earth-Moon system also technically a binary planet? And in that case, shouldn't we be referring to the third planet as "Earth-Moon" (or even more appropriately, "Terra-Luna")?

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  10. Re:Top 10 List by deesine · · Score: 4, Interesting


    For being a site for nerds, I'm surprised that only you and I have heard of Dr. Schoch's findings and his subsequent run-ins with prominent Egyptologists.

    For those unfamiliar with this man and his claims, go here.

    Indeed, there is more mystery to the great pyramids than "how did they put such large stones in place?". Check it out.

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  11. Okay, but why? by benjamindees · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The real mystery is more of an economic-political one. Why did such a large number of people essentially devote their lives to building monuments? How was it paid for? Did the pyramids possibly have some redeeming purpose other than as religious symbols? Why are pyramids on my money? How could leaders who have nothing better to spend money on than worthless make-work projects stay in power for so long?

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  12. Re:Pictures? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    They did. And as expected, it's various dots.

    http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/photo_gallery/photogall ery-solarsystem.html

    However, I suggest you google for "celestia" and run that instead for a mindboggling universe trip.

  13. Re:Pictures? by corrosive_nf · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Sagan campaigned for that for YEARS, and the answer always was they were afraid the sunlight would damage the cameras. When they finally allowed it to happen, the planets happened to be in an almost straight line so 5 of them were all in one frame. That frame however is 6 meters wide and the earth is smaller than pixel.