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Xbox 360 In China Next Year

The U.S., Europe, and Japan are getting ahold of Microsoft's next console this year, but China will have to wait until 2006, reports Gamasutra. From the article: "Obviously, it's somewhat unclear that the majority of China's workforce would be able to afford such a console - the average wage of an urban worker in China in 2004 was 9,422 yuan ($1,164), and a rural worker made just 2,936 yuan ($363) on average. Nonetheless, Microsoft is keen to make a symbolic move into the territory, as Sony did in December 2003 when it launched the PlayStation 2 in four major Chinese cities, to as yet unrevealed sales figures. Nintendo is trying a different strategy, with its license to iQue for the release of specially branded, localized Nintendo 64, Game Boy, and even Nintendo DS products in Chinese territories."

26 comments

  1. Wages+cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously, it's somewhat unclear that the majority of China's workforce would be able to afford such a console - the average wage of an urban worker in China in 2004 was 9,422 yuan ($1,164), and a rural worker made just 2,936 yuan ($363)

    College students all over America are in the same shoes. And they'll buy more than anyone else.

    1. Re:Wages+cost by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      College students make that on top of tuition and room and board. And many have parents money to fall back on

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  2. Microsoft needs to learn something. by OmgTEHMATRICKS · · Score: 1

    People are not going to pay a year's salary for a gaming machine.

    1. Re:Microsoft needs to learn something. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure Microsoft will be grateful for your profound fucking insight, Sherlock.

    2. Re:Microsoft needs to learn something. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right they aren't but there are a lot of really wealthy factory owners (and whatnot) that would spend this ammount of money just to say that they can.

  3. Well... One thing... by Pichu0102 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Will a release game be a game where children go around forcing abortions and silencing evil journalists?

  4. Huh... by porcupine8 · · Score: 1
    Nintendo is trying a different strategy, with its license to iQue for the release of specially branded, localized Nintendo 64

    So Nintendo is actually going to offer to sell them something that some of them might be able to afford? Truly Revolutionary.

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    1. Re:Huh... by YOU+LIKEWISE+FAIL+IT · · Score: 1

      It's actually better still. The console comes with a flash cartridge, which the players can take to N-authorised retailers to load with games - as this cuts out the "cartridge manufacturing" side of things, and so the games can cost less too. And of course, N can ship timebombed demos, etc, resell the same product to the same consumer over and over and so on and so forth.

      I think the iQue is a really interesting idea - I'll be watching to see if it ever jumps out of China, say to Japan or perhaps Brazil, which has also had a market for cut-price consoles.

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    2. Re:Huh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They do the same in America. People will often call their hardware dated, but I'd perfer the term realistic. A PSP may seem ages ahead of a DS in terms of graphics ability, and general functionality, but the sad part of it all is, you pay for that, badly.

      You'll end up spending $100.00 more on the console, plus you'll need to buy a more realisticly sized memory card. The PS2/XBox, in the same respects, were that way against the GameCube.

  5. Uhh, guys...? by Otter · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Obviously, it's somewhat unclear that the majority of China's workforce would be able to afford such a console - the average wage of an urban worker in China in 2004 was 9,422 yuan ($1,164), and a rural worker made just 2,936 yuan ($363) on average.

    I'm no marketing genius, but have you considered that in a country with a billion people and a ballooning upper class of conspicuous consumers, one might be able to market a modest luxury good, even if it's not within the budget of the average peasant?

  6. don't worry by coughman · · Score: 2, Funny

    cause the Chinese will make the bootlegged version soon.

  7. Just 1% by ribblem · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Obviously, it's somewhat unclear that the majority of China's workforce would be able to afford such a console - the average wage of an urban worker in China in 2004 was 9,422 yuan ($1,164), and a rural worker made just 2,936 yuan ($363) on average.

    I'm pretty sure Microsoft would be happy to have just 1% of a market place with well over a billion people. Now if they could somehow get up to 5% they'd have sold more xbox 360s than Sony has sold PS2s so far.

  8. How much do they make? by Hamster+Lover · · Score: 2, Informative

    the average wage of an urban worker in China in 2004 was 9,422 yuan ($1,164), and a rural worker made just 2,936 yuan ($363) on average.

    Average what? Year? Month? Day? Huge difference there. I guessed that the article was referring to the average yearly salary and checked the web, but it would help if the article was clear about this in the first place. Anyway, no wonder piracy is rampant in China. At a salary of a little over $1000/year (for an urban worker) who could afford the Xbox, a game, or even a DVD? Even pirated DVDs or games costing a few dollars have to be budgeted for when you make $97 a month. It's a reality that I did not recognize until now.

    1. Re:How much do they make? by superpulpsicle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      30 million out of 1.3 billion people in China owns a car. The rest simply can't afford it. This group makes anywhere from $20,000 to $200,000 a year. This is still a significant market to sell to.

    2. Re:How much do they make? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      30 million out of 1.3 billion people in China owns a car. The rest simply can't afford it.

      As a non-car owner in China, I'd have to say, no. Just as in New York city, cars don't make sense to own in many Chinese cities, even for those who could easily afford them. Public tranportation is excellent, and taxis are very cheap. There isn't nearly enough road to support everybody driving, this isn't set up like LA, and there's certainly more population density to most places than the sparcely-popular Midwest.

  9. Isn't piracy the other bigissue? by nobodyman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've always thought that piracy was a bigger issue than average income, though I imagine that the relative high price is at least part of the reason for the piracy in the first place. China in the past has turned a blind eye to copyrights and IP. Has this changed? For example, I remember reading that the PS2 didn't officially release in china for several years after it's introduction in Japan, but pirated ps2 hardware and games were widely available.

    Another thought: seeing as how Xbox could potentially sold for less cost due to the lack of tariffs and shipping costs (they are manufactured in China in the first place) -- and given the fact that you pretty much would have to sell the product and a substantially lower price to get any kind of widespread adoption -- I wonder if M$ is concerned that the grey market could sell chinese xboxen could at a lower price than the "legal" retail channels.

    Is there an economist in the house?

    1. Re:Isn't piracy the other bigissue? by Haeleth · · Score: 1

      For example, I remember reading that the PS2 didn't officially release in china for several years after it's introduction in Japan, but pirated ps2 hardware and games were widely available.

      Um. The games I can understand, but how do you pirate hardware? I can see only three scenarios:

      1. Real piracy. Gangs of Chinese sailors with eyepatches board cargo ships carrying PS2s that were intended to bring a little bit of joy into the lives of American orphans, callously slaughter the crew, and haul the booty away to sell on the cheap in village markets.

      2. Software-type piracy. Using top-secret 3D scanning technology, a stolen PS2 is cloned at zero cost and distributed to eager peasants over magic nanotech P2P networks.

      3. No piracy at all, but you used the word anyway because it sounds more serious that way. Maybe some kind of "grey market" import, or employees secretly flogging defective stock that Sony thought had been dumped in a landfill. Or whatever.

      Or is there another option I haven't thought of? Cheap knockoff PS2 clones, perhaps, though the complete absence of any such thing in the Western black market (or of any references to them on Google) rather suggests that no such thing has ever been made.

    2. Re:Isn't piracy the other bigissue? by UltimaL337Star · · Score: 1

      I'm sure it's much harder to fit an x360 into any cd writer you could find in china, I have no clue what you'd use as the destination blank media.

    3. Re:Isn't piracy the other bigissue? by ElleyKitten · · Score: 1

      hardware can't be pirated, but as I understand, china has plenty of cheap consoles, gotten in ways their makers didn't want them to. I think the part where they make the consoles helps them get them.

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    4. Re:Isn't piracy the other bigissue? by nobodyman · · Score: 1
      Emphasis mine...
      3. No piracy at all, but you used the word anyway because it sounds more serious that way. Maybe some kind of "grey market" import, or employees secretly flogging defective stock that Sony thought had been dumped in a landfill. Or whatever.


      Ah, number three was close, but you forgot option 4: I specifically chose that precise wording to lure you out of your hidey-hole and grace us with your varied interpretations of my choice of the word "pirate". Not that I only had a few minutes left of my lunch and hastefullly wrote "pirated hardware and software" instead of the more appropriate "grey-market hardware and pirated software", oh no no no. You would see through that, wouldn't you? And, yes, while process of chipping a ps2 in order to play the pirated software (as well as and violating Chinese law in order to get said hardware into China) might fall into some people's definition of piracy as well, you proved that my choice of words totally invalidates any point I was trying to make.

      My apologies. Time to put all the cards on the table and state my true, dark beliefs: The 360 is being delayed in China because of pirates. Real pirates. And not these "Chinese sailors" of which you speak -- I'm talking about the real-deal Pirates-of-the-Caribbean pirates with gold teeth and striped shirts and those silly triangle shaped hats. Yarrr!!!
  10. You'd be surprised by ToastyKen · · Score: 1

    Last time I was back in China, I was amazed... You see, people there tend not to blow lots of little money in bars, etc... Instead, they tend to save up for big purchases, so that you often see people who make something like US$150 a month with a $250 digital camera just because they're "in".. I mean, that'd be like someone here paying a few thousand dollars for a digital cameara... Most people wouldn't do it here, but you could imagine it being affordable if you saved up. Well, in China, people are willing to save up for stuff like that.

    Now, granted, consoles are somewhat rare in China because people tend to save up to get a PC instead, since it's easier to get "free" software for it, but it's certainly not unthinkable.

    The other thing is that the average wage might be low, but there's a pretty significantly sized upper middle class in China these days that can afford consoles with a little effort, and even if the upper middle class is a minority, a minority of 1.3 billion people is still a lot of people.

  11. averages are misleading by marcybots · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the average income is low, but that doesnt mean there will not be many people in a land of 1.2 BILLION to make money off of. Some Chinese probably make a very good living, while others wash dishes for 10 cents an hours in the same town, China has an amazing amount of income disparity between cities, regions etc, some towns like Chonquing are relatively wealthy and affluent while many older industrial cities are poverty stricken...its not like they have a minimum wage in china.

  12. Re:Uhh, guys...? 50 000 have 10 million by tiggles · · Score: 1

    According to Ferrari's marketing department, there are 50 000 Chinese people with net worth's of more than 10 million USD (their target market). I've seen 3 Ferrari stores in Shanghai today, so I think they're serious.

  13. Re:Uhh, guys...? 50 000 have 10 million by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since when are Italians experts on anything? We kicked their asses in WW2.

  14. ...with one slight modification..... by spepper · · Score: 1

    Communist China will allow the sale of the XBox 360 there, but with one slight modification: the splash screen that flashes before the bootup will display the following message: YOU ARE BEING WATCHED