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Tim Bray on Implications of OpenDocument Format

Jure Cuhalev writes "In todays keynote, at the OpenOffice.org conference, Tim Bray focused on what OpenDocument format means for office suits. He compared the impact that OpenDocument will have on regular documents to kick-off of the web with selection of HTML as file format. You can watch the video or listen to audio track. Also check out the media page for more conference coverage."

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  1. James Prendergast by Mustang+Matt · · Score: 3, Informative

    I submitted a story yesterday commenting on James Prendergast's article: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170724,00.html but it got rejected.

    This clown's organization lists Microsoft as a founding member and he makes so many false claims it's not even laughable.

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    1. Re:James Prendergast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Microsoft Office can support Open Document.
      In fact, if they wanted to they could support it BETTER than OOo or Abiword, especially with regards to accessibility. They could even add a patch/export filter for the current version of Word, they did it for wordperfect. No retraining necessary.

      This is about the document, not the program.

  2. Re:umm by David+McBride · · Score: 4, Informative

    *munch*

    VLC should be able to play it (and just about anything else you might throw at it).

  3. Re:Audio only. Whoopee, tech! Pity I'm deaf. by John+Zero · · Score: 4, Informative

    Americans with Disabilities Act???

    Hello!?!??! This is an European event, an European server! But nonetheless, a transcript would be nice.

  4. Re:Suits? by famebait · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes, you can read them fine. The problem appears when you open a .doc in one of the OSS apps, edit and save it, and then try to work on it in MS Office. Shudder. Hopefully the new format will alleviate this sort of thing a bit.

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  5. Just so everyone knows... by advocate_one · · Score: 4, Informative

    OpenOffice isn't in beta anymore, rc1 is out... so the beta "canard" that MS have been trying to fly is an ex-canard... days to do are getting few for the final full release.

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  6. Re:What was the comparable cost for openoffice? by Flamefly · · Score: 3, Informative

    It was mentioned, but not directly- it was in a slide:

    "They estimate that to upgrade to Office 12, which MSFT is offering as the 'open format' would cost $50M (including software licenses, upgrading operating systems as needed, newer hardware in some cases, and training). Estimate of cost to install Open Office is $5M (comparable components). He noted that these are VERY CRUDE estimates"
    - Notes on remarks by Eric Kriss, Commonwealth of Massachusetts, September 2005

    So the Open Office roll out would cost an estimated $100 per machine.

    Hope that helps!

  7. Re:How "standard"? by lorien420 · · Score: 4, Informative
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  8. Re:The war begins by cyclomedia · · Score: 2, Informative

    MS is using open to mean "free as in beer" (for the time being)
    OO.o is using open to mean "free as in speech"

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  9. Non-beta support, patents etc by ChrisRijk · · Score: 3, Informative
    OOo 1.1.5 can save OpenDocument format files (but not read). StarOffice 8 (based on OO 2.0) has been released (non beta). Apparantly KOffice has full support in non-beta etc, though I haven't checked.

    On the issue of patents, Sun also did a clear announcement today on the issue of patents that Sun might/does have that could related to the standard (since it's based on work by OOo via Sun, naturally they do have patents): See this blog entry by Simon Phipps (Sun's Open Source Ombudsman) for more info. It's a blanket promise, irrevocable, global, not time-limited, reciprocal...

    1. Re:Non-beta support, patents etc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You have it the wrong way around. 1.1.5 can import but not export.

      See:
      http://download.openoffice.org/1.1.5/release_notes _1.1.5.html

      Marty

  10. Re:Suits? by StrawberryFrog · · Score: 2, Informative

    Erm, the point I was making was this:

    Geek: D00d, check out this new open office suit.
    CEO: You mean office suite not office suit, you illiterate geek. It's spelled differently, pronounced differently and means something else. You were raised by MTV and your mother smells of wee.

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    StrawberryFrog

  11. Re:My email to fox news by Peter+La+Casse · · Score: 2, Informative
    While I agree with your sentiment, the article in question is clearly marked as an opinion piece, not news. It would have been better for them to say up front that the writer is a Microsoft shill, but you've got to expect biased articles in the opinion section. That's what it's for.

    There are better reasons to criticize Fox News, I think.

  12. Re:Does the format make an impact if 80% can't rea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    So therefore Office 12 XML should not happen, then? 'cos 80% are using .doc.