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Music Industry Threatens to Pull Plug on Apple

bacterial_pus writes "First the music industry wanted more money, by changing Apple's 99 cents per song policy. Now one exec is threatening to pull the plug on Apple if Steve Jobs doesn't change the iTunes Music Store pricing." From the article: "Nash's comments echoes those made last week by Warner CEO Edgar Bronfman, who called for Apple to adopt variable pricing and share out revenues from iPod sales. The record companies' position is based on the dubious argument that digital downloads sell iPods. In fact all the evidence points to the opposite: that iPod sales have driven demand for downloads. The vast majority of digital music sales are made by iPod owners. Cut off Apple and the labels digital sales will slump." More recently Jobs resisted their pressure, and the execs snarked back. Looks like they're getting more serious.

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  1. don't blink, Apple by yagu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Upfront disclaimer: I'm a total idiot, and I have no idea how businesses work, nor do I have any legal background.

    So, I wonder if this is a confrontation Apple may welcome, and maybe even brought semi-intentionally. My hunch is the thesis: iPods generate sales, rather than download sales generate iPod sales is the more correct dynamic at work in this market.

    There certainly are plenty of alternative sources of music, music that could temporarily replace the current source for iTunes, should the music industry call Apple's bluff. But I think the music industry stands to lose way more than Apple. The music industry could:

    • lose revenue
    • lose confidence of the consumers
    • lose artists
    • lose relevance
    Apple, on the other hand still offers a sweet product (even a sweet suite of products) and there are myriad ways to get music onto their devices. Sure, a speedbump in iTunes could require a detour, but I think Apple faces little risk. Apple could be the huge winner here. In my opinion, Apple already is at least the winner, they've dared not to blink and the music industry is starting to look silly.

    Me, I refuse to play one way or the other with any of DRM markets, but I give Apple grudging credit for offering a palatible product and willingness to take on the hand that feeds.

    1. Re:don't blink, Apple by LnxAddct · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Steve Jobs could potentially become the poster boy for our generation from this. If the record labels do pull out, all Steve Jobs has to do is stand up on a soap box and say

      "Look everyone, I tried my hardest to make it easy and affordable for you to get music over the internet. We had succeeded at this and we revolutionized the industry. You and me showed the world that if you were given the choice to affordably download music that you'll choose that over pirating. Alas, the music industry has become extremely greedy. Their profit margins are already extremely inflated and they just want more money. The only option they left open for variable pricing was price increases, but where are the price decreases? It costs them nothing to distribute music this way, its cuts out the cost of the CD, the CD case, the label in the case, the cost of shipping, the cost of manufacturing. It is saving them extreme amounts of money, but they are just becoming greedier. As a result I hope we can all band together and boycott the RIAA, Sony, Warner, etc... Obtain your music through alternate channels, rip it off your old CDs, do what you must but please don't support these labels."

      He would instantly be praised and supported by millions of teens and twentysomethings, cutting nearly completely into the record label's profits. On the other hand, Apple could also simply start their own music label and really rock the industry.
      Regards,
      Steve

  2. classic example by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    of giant businesses who seem to have no idea just how good they've got it.

    this is 2005.

    the fact that people are still paying for downloads at all (including me, I have well over 200 iTunes songs) in 2005, YEARS after Napster started the easy-as-pie method of music aquisition... do the music companies really want to go ahead with this? do they want to return to the days of talking about free tunes on Napster instead of paying for iTunes?

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  3. Could be the best thing to happen to Music by NatteringNabob · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd love to see Jobs tell the RIAA members to go screw themselves and open up iTunes as a 'label' for independent artists most of whom would probably be happy to take a much smaller cut then the leaches at the labels do. Talented muscians don't need multi-million dollar marketing campaigns to be successful, they just need an audience. And iTunes could deliver that audience much more efficiently than Warner or Sony/Columbia ever could.

  4. Buy teh music companies by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That is wht the Tech big wigs need to do. Google should buy one, yahoo, MS and Apple.

    I watched a business show about this and tehy said that each of those companies market caps are large enough to buy one company each. then all you need to do is make the tech companies share the catalouges amoungst each other.

    Tech companies that are trying to sell their technology will have a friendler stance about copyright and the consumer than the record companies would.

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  5. Re:The music industry is stupid enough to do this. by Hellasboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    wasn't it in japan a few months ago where sony artists were tired of the bickering between sony and apple in regards to itunes that they just said kcuf it and started releasing their songs on itunes in spite of their contracts?

    maybe the same thing can happen here with artists backlashing against the riaa (who are supposed to represent the artists themselves but seems more likely they are representing the executives). but i guess that would depend on the character of the band.

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  6. The RIAA has a point. by dada21 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    iTMS is destroying the RIAA's right to speech:

    1. The RIAA can't pat iTMS DJs and Producers to force users to download the hot song of the week.

    2. The RIAA can't pay iTMS to list the proper version of the Top 40 Charts.

    3. The RIAA can't control which markets get their music, heaven forbid a black consumer getting a listen to Kenny G by accident.

    [/kidding]

  7. I think Apple needs to do a "week without iTunes" by artifex2004 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The music industry needs to see what would happen if they kill this cash cow by trying to milk it too hard. One day would probably not be sufficient, so let's have a week, or maybe just 5 days, where you can't buy anything from the iTunes store. Make it be the last week or 5 days days in a reporting period, because a lot of the pent-up demand will recover the next week, probably.

    Better yet, let's see Steve Jobs say, okay, you want variable pricing, we'll hook up with Magnatunes and CDBaby and sell their tracks for 50-75 cents, or something. Those indy labels could really use the visibility, and the artists might see more revenue even at that lower rate than the ones beholden to RIAA and the big corporations. Some of them might even ask Apple to distribute their tracks as m4as, not m4ps, and would probably volunteer a lot more free tracks of the week.

    Also, I can't believe they want some of the revenue stream from iPod sales. They had nothing to do with their creation, sales, marketing, etc. They're just becoming more obviously money-hungry than ever before.

  8. Re:Okay.... by trybywrench · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1. Apple needs to make a deal with Apple Records to free themselves from any restrictions.
    2. Apple starts a "record" company.
    3. Apple doesn't screw artists and big names flock to them.
    4. Apple uses "pod casts" to replace radio air play to promote new artists.
    5. Apple cuts out the middle man so artists and Apple now split the profit so each side makes more money.

    It is the end of the world as Warner and Sony knows it... And we all feel fine.


    This would be such a dream come true for many people and for so many reasons. Imagine an independent (non-RIAA) label with the distrubution clout and exposure of one the majors. It would revolutionize the "biz".

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  9. Re:Killing the Goose that Laid the Golden Egg by Soul-Burn666 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They should do what some slashdotter wrote a while ago.
    When you select songs, the song price should be written and additionally the break-up of where the money goes. When they see 9c to apple, 90c to the record company and 1c to the artist, they'll understand something is wrong.
    Then they'll see indie labels, 10c to apple, 40c to record comapny, 50c to artist.
    And then indie artists, 10c to apple, 90c to artist.

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  10. Re:Killing the Goose that Laid the Golden Egg by Soko · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Musicians with big label contracts have puppet strings firmly attached. Sure, they might like to make more money via direct sales through Apple but the sales side of the music biz is 98% promotion, not fan devotion.

    I agree with your statement, but consider this:

    If the RIAA takes its ball and goes home, Apple will be able to only promote artists who aren't currently under RIAA control. Crap coming from the teen-idol production machine and manufactured "counter-culture" crap that the RIAA promotes (think "St. Anger" *PUKE*) wouldn't be on iTunes. The artist would then have a sizeable captive audience without the RIAA controlling who's popular and who's not. IOW, Apple just might have the needed intertia to compete with the RIAA itself, and give the artists more control over thier destiny.

    I say that's a good thing.

    Soko

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  11. Were I Steve Jobs by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Were I Jobs or Apple, I'd pull a preemptive strike. Announce "Since Warner Records doesn't feel the agreement with iTMS is fair, we've decided to resolve the problem. All Warner titles have been removed from iTMS and Warner Records has been released from the agreement. They're now free to market their music through a service whose pricing is more in line with their desired price points.". Then sit back and watch Warner scream as their sales plummet.

  12. Step it Up! by ripismoney · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The music industry better step it up! If they want to stay afloat, they should allow the 99 for all policy to stay! What is better, getting a little under a dollar per song ($10 for an album), or having everyone just pirate and take it all for free? Actually, if they played their cards right, it would be more profitable to lower the price. I would buy a lot more music if it were less than a dollar. In fact, anything 75 or lower, if I heard it, and didn't think it was terrible, I'd buy it. It's time they started realizing that they work for us. We pay them for entertainment. Well, you know what? Screw them. I can live without legal music. I can live with what I've got, or just acquire music from others. By the way, I do not in any way condone or approve of stealing music. Remember that every time you download a song, God (or Buddha, or whatever) kills a kitten!

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  13. Re:A lawyer working for Warner said this: by mr_shifty · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Damn skippy.

    I pay on average $3-$8 for used CDs in "like new" condition, via Amazon.com.

    No low-quality downloads, no DRM, no overpriced songs I can't play where I want, on whatever device I want. No bullshit.

    Why in the world would I ever even consider paying a dollar per TRACK of the same music, only to have harsh restrictions placed on me as to where I can play it, and how many times I can copy it to other devices?

    Screw that. As long as I can still buy CDs used, that's the route I'll take. If iTunes Music Store goes the way of the dodo, I guess it won't bother me.

    Between you, me, and the dodo, though, the RIAA's dumber than a sack of hammers to let a potential cash cow like this die.

    Free money. For a product they already have. Being sold by someone giving them a cut. For something they otherwise wouldn't be selling at all.

    What collossally stupid people must they be, those in charge of the major labels. These are potentially the best years to get in on the ground floor of the internet music revolution, and here they are, trying to stamp it out and drive themselves out of business.

    Heh.

    And I thought music execs liked money. I guess they don't.

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