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Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 Released
Juha-Matti Laurio writes "MozillaZine has a report about new Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 release. Among other changes, this minor release includes fixes for the Linux command line URL parsing security flaw. Thunderbird 1.0.7 can be downloaded from the Thunderbird product page. 'Extremely Critical' Secunia advisory will be updated very soon."
Linux is *not* user friendly, and until it is linux will stay with >1% marketshare.
/tmp or the installer will dump core. After the installer is done, edit /etc/X11/XF86Config and add a section called "GL" and put "driver nv" in it. Make sure you have the latest version of X and Linux kernel 2.6 or else X will segfault when you start. OK, run the Quake 3 installer and make sure you set the proper group and setuid permissions on quake3.bin. If you want sound, look here [link to another obscure web site], which is a short HOWTO on how to get sound in Quake 3. That's all there is to it!"
Take installation. Linux zealots are now saying "oh installing is so easy, just do apt-get install package or emerge package": Yes, because typing in "apt-get" or "emerge" makes so much more sense to new users than double-clicking an icon that says "setup".
Linux zealots are far too forgiving when judging the difficultly of Linux configuration issues and far too harsh when judging the difficulty of Windows configuration issues. Example comments:
User: "How do I get Quake 3 to run in Linux?"
Zealot: "Oh that's easy! If you have Redhat, you have to download quake_3_rh_8_i686_010203_glibc.bin, then do chmod +x on the file. Then you have to su to root, make sure you type export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 but ONLY if you have that latest libc6 installed. If you don't, don't set that environment variable or the installer will dump core. Before you run the installer, make sure you have the GL drivers for X installed. Get them at [some obscure web address], chmod +x the binary, then run it, but make sure you have at least 10MB free in
User: "How do I get Quake 3 to run in Windows?"
Zealot: "Oh God, I had to install Quake 3 in Windoze for some lamer friend of mine! God, what a fucking mess! I put in the CD and it took about 3 minutes to copy everything, and then I had to reboot the fucking computer! Jesus Christ! What a retarded operating system!"
So, I guess the point I'm trying to make is that what seems easy and natural to Linux geeks is definitely not what regular people consider easy and natural. Hence, the preference towards Windows.
They could make Firefox on Linux as beautiful as its windows counterparts. Let slashdotters look at font management on Linux. How about that? Is it too much to ask for?
Ask not for whom the tolls.
Mulberry is out of the game. Their company filed for Liquidation. You can still download their app, though. And they are even considdering to put Mulberry's source under the GPL!
You know, I just realised something... For years I've been using various e-mail clients...initially mainly OE, than Thunderbird (with some other in between, for shiorter periods of time). However, my email usage skyrocketed (literally) in last year, since I've been using Gmail. Sudennly...using mails started to be a joy for communication, somehow :/
So...what did I miss while using clients? Or perhaps...what do they miss?
One that hath name thou can not otter
Will it ever work?
Sigs are for the weak.
Linux is *not* user friendly, and until it is linux will stay with >1% marketshare.
/tmp or the installer will dump core. After the installer is done, edit /etc/X11/XF86Config and add a section called "GL" and put "driver nv" in it. Make sure you have the latest version of X and Linux kernel 2.6 or else X will segfault when you start. OK, run the Quake 3 installer and make sure you set the proper group and setuid permissions on quake3.bin. If you want sound, look here [link to another obscure web site], which is a short HOWTO on how to get sound in Quake 3. That's all there is to it!"
Take installation. Linux zealots are now saying "oh installing is so easy, just do apt-get install package or emerge package": Yes, because typing in "apt-get" or "emerge" makes so much more sense to new users than double-clicking an icon that says "setup".
Linux zealots are far too forgiving when judging the difficultly of Linux configuration issues and far too harsh when judging the difficulty of Windows configuration issues. Example comments:
User: "How do I get Quake 3 to run in Linux?"
Zealot: "Oh that's easy! If you have Redhat, you have to download quake_3_rh_8_i686_010203_glibc.bin, then do chmod +x on the file. Then you have to su to root, make sure you type export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 but ONLY if you have that latest libc6 installed. If you don't, don't set that environment variable or the installer will dump core. Before you run the installer, make sure you have the GL drivers for X installed. Get them at [some obscure web address], chmod +x the binary, then run it, but make sure you have at least 10MB free in
User: "How do I get Quake 3 to run in Windows?"
Zealot: "Oh God, I had to install Quake 3 in Windoze for some lamer friend of mine! God, what a fucking mess! I put in the CD and it took about 3 minutes to copy everything, and then I had to reboot the fucking computer! Jesus Christ! What a retarded operating system!"
So, I guess the point I'm trying to make is that what seems easy and natural to Linux geeks is definitely not what regular people consider easy and natural. Hence, the preference towards Windows.
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1.0.7 has been out for a few days now. A little bit late?
The 1.5 beta has inline spellchecking, some new RSS features and a nicer options UI.s es/1.5beta1.html
http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/relea
Bagh. I still use Eudora Pro 3.0.5. What else could I possibly need from an email client?
I like the Playboy Bunny Favicon... screencap
It's just a pity that they(Moz) don't want people to know about the security issues. 1.0.7 is vulnurable to a DoS, as reported by Georgi, but where's the info on mozilla.org?
I'd love to use a secure browser.. I used to believe FF was "it", but now I'm searching for alternatives once again..
As much as I love Thunderbird, I would like to see it integrated with Firefox. I understand that both programs are small, however, when run at the same time they use an insane amount of memory that IE+Outlook Express doesn't. Plus, I would like to be notified of new emails in Firefox without having to open Thunderbird. How long before they merge the two?
Everytime I read about TB or some other mail client I wonder "who the heck is still doing POP3 email"?
Free web email(Gmail and Yahoo) works great for personal stuff. I think most ISPs these dies provide web mail interface but I NEVER like to use them because ISPs change.
I guess if you get volumes of email and need a features to manage it all then maybe.
So my question is who is using TB and the like and why?
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Is it just the 'google factor' at work for you? (Meaning either that Google did the job or that the interface is streamlined and snappy enough to make 'webmail' really work?) For me, I'm not sure. I've used various clients over the past decade+ myself. OE, Eudora, netscape communicator suite, outlook (work thing), evolution, kmail, other odd-balls, and lately g-mail. (Most anything except Mac system clients, really.) My own recollections are that, for me, OE on win probably worked overall the best, but considering the security record, I haven't touched it in many years. Otherwise, IMO, *all* client-side POP/IMAP clients tend to suck ass in some respect or another. (security, config'ability, encryption support, contact management/import/export, mail format import/export, calendar integration, other misc. bits). Also, being someone who jumps around various OS's, various computers (my own, plus relatives and in-laws), config'ing yet another mail client to get to my mail is a PITA. Let alone that I've never had a dialup ISP provide IMAP.
/dear google >
;-)
Now, along comes Google with their AJAX (whatever) web-based thing, and webmail is responsive enough to use withOUT full page-loads any time I click somewhere. I had been just S-POP'ing my gmail to a local client (and to a thumbdrive version of thunderbird), but lately I'm just logging in via the web server and dealing with it there. I will say that I have seen some odd quirks in g-mail's behavior (I reply'ed to a message and it filled out the wrong TO addy) and that there are a few things I'd like thought out differently (various operations and functions are accessed in slightly different ways), so I'm not fully sold there either.
< dear google >
If g-mail provided iCal service for people and then linked that over to the gmail accounts, then I'd be a fairly happy guy.
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Call me picky, I guess... it'd be fair enough.
Until Pat updates -current (and /patches), I made a 1.0.7 pack using his slackbuild script:
r d/
http://rlworkman.net/linux/pkgs/mozilla-thunderbi
RW
I'll bet your Eudora Pro 3.0.5 doesn't integrate well with Mozilla Firefox, does it? Can you use the same theme as Firefox to have a consistent looking environment? No. Can you EVEN theme Eudora Pro? No. Plus, Thunderbird and Firefox are both open source, so I'm free to hack it if I want. But I don't need to because the two are already perfect. Well I'd like to see the two integrated better, but that's just me. Plus it's free. You're Eudora Pro is being left behind the new wave of open source software. Join the Mozilla team today! http://www.mozilla.org/ and give Firefox and Thunderbird a spin. You won't be able to go back to IE and Eudora.
If you're already in Linux, shouldn't you be using Evolution? IMHO its way better.
Funny...we're thinking about the same thing: recently I've realised that adress http://calendar.google.com/ (as opposed to http://boo.google.com/ for example) is actually configured on their server and working, although right now it points only to their search site. Could they be preparing for something? :) I mean...why configure the adress at all?
And half a year ago I mailed Google with proposition that they can perhaps do something like Hula
http://www.jwz.org/doc/groupware.html (worth reading IMHO...)
http://hula-project.org/
http://www.nat.org/2005/february/#15-February-2005
http://nat.org/2005/august/hula.html - how it looks now
Hmmm...easy webcalendar, with parts made "public" so other people can see what you're planning partly, and integration with Gmail to announce something automatically to others/retrieve their calendars/etc.
Another feature that isn't mentioned anywhere and would be great IMHO - some kind of collage of few webcalendars (of others) on one, yours, so you can adjust...
I actually submitted this recently to /. but it got rejected...oh well, fvck this.
But back on topic.
I should say "ignore me", I remember suddenly that on my own computers I haven't had acces to the net through most of last year :P
However...I DID noticed extremelly high, compared to previous times, email usage on my part...I guess thanks to something that Gmail done right and you probably mention.
(BTW, too bad I never played with IMAP really...but I haven't stumbled upon any free provider that I know wouldn't suck and any client for that matter...but when you think about it, Gmail is conceptually very similar to IMAP...)
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(I forgot, again, to check "use txt"...why isn't it default dammit...)
:) I mean...why configure the adress at all?5 /. but it got rejected...oh well, fvck this.
:P
Funny...we're thinking about the same thing: recently I've realised that adress http://calendar.google.com/ (as opposed to http://boo.google.com/ for example) is actually configured on their server and working, although right now it points only to their search site. Could they be preparing for something?
And half a year ago I mailed Google with proposition that they can perhaps do something like Hula
http://www.jwz.org/doc/groupware.html (worth reading IMHO...)
http://hula-project.org/
http://www.nat.org/2005/february/#15-February-200
http://nat.org/2005/august/hula.html - how it looks now
Hmmm...easy webcalendar, with parts made "public" so other people can see what you're planning partly, and integration with Gmail to announce something automatically to others/retrieve their calendars/etc.
Another feature that isn't mentioned anywhere and would be great IMHO - some kind of collage of few webcalendars (of others) on one, yours, so you can adjust...
I actually submitted this recently to
But back on topic.
I should say "ignore me", I remember suddenly that on my own computers I haven't had acces to the net through most of last year
However...I DID noticed extremelly high, compared to previous times, email usage on my part...I guess thanks to something that Gmail done right and you probably mention.
(BTW, too bad I never played with IMAP really...but I haven't stumbled upon any free provider that I know wouldn't suck and any client for that matter...but when you think about it, Gmail is conceptually very similar to IMAP...)
One that hath name thou can not otter
Or you could use SeaMonkey. I mean, if you're going to be using Firefox + Thunderbird, you might as well download the suite, which uses less hard drive space and memory. The mail client has had inline spellchecking for a while, virtual folders, and warns you if it thinks a message is a scam. It's at least worth checking out.
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Thunderbird has been a great proggy for my use, though one thing seems to bug me: just about every POP/IMAP client seems to support some form of external filtering in Linux, Thunderbird doesn't, what gives? If only I could run spamassassin and clamav...
I *could* go for fetchmail + local mta + procmail, but I'm so damn *lazy* and Thunderbird has a nice GUI...
Is there a way to combine multi-part messages in Thunderbird yet? (yes, insert porn joke here) That's the only reason I still run OE.
As much as I would love to try out Thunderbird, there is one basic problem. Once I move all my existing OUtlook mail to it, I can't move BACK to outlook. Granted this is OUtlook's problem, but if Open Source projects would like more people to try it, they should add an "Export to YYY Format" as they have done for INPORT. How hard could it be? They already have it working in one direction, why not add to a second. Blah p.s. Yes, I know. Put my money where my mouth is, but I am not a programmer :)
I just hope I never wake up and see : "Installing: Sentience ..."
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Installing:
kernel i686 2.6.13-1.1526_FC4 updates-released 16 M
kernel-devel i686 2.6.13-1.1526_FC4 updates-released 4.2 M
Updating:
gtk2 i386 2.6.10-2 updates-released 4.8 M
gtk2-devel i386 2.6.10-2 updates-released 2.6 M
thunderbird i386 1.0.7-1.1.fc4 updates-released 14 M
unixODBC i386 2.2.11-3.FC4.1 updates-released 859 k
util-linux i386 2.12p-9.12 updates-released 1.6 M
vino i386 2.10.0-4.1 updates-released 288 k
Transaction Summary
Install 2 Package(s)
Update 6 Package(s)
Remove 0 Package(s)
Total download size: 43 M
Downloading Packages:
Running Transaction Test
Finished Transaction Test
Transaction Test Succeeded
Running Transaction
Installed: kernel.i686 0:2.6.13-1.1526_FC4 kernel-devel.i686 0:2.6.13-1.1526_FC4
Updated: gtk2.i386 0:2.6.10-2 gtk2-devel.i386 0:2.6.10-2 thunderbird.i386 0:1.0.7-1.1.fc4 unixODBC.i386 0:2.2.11-3.FC4.1 util-linux.i386 0:2.12p-9.12 vino.i386 0:2.10.0-4.1
Complete! /usr/local/bin/yum.sh ended on Sat Oct 1 10:32:19 CDT 2005
It seems that Secunia advisory has new information now, late update from Friday says that Linux issue was fixed: http://secunia.com/advisories/16901/
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FYI. the new free e-mail provided by.... AOL (boo). For aim accounts mail.aim.com gives you 2gigs of online space, and IMAP access. I'm not thrilled with their online interface, things like no serverside filtering, except for spam. But it is a nice free IMAP space to play with.
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When will they fix the run-mozilla.sh bug on Linux?
Am I the only one experiencing this bug?
It's the only thing that crashes my browser, as it seems.
I just signed up for bgxmail, and this is a portion of my introductory email.
t phz&p=3053&l=1
Please note that in order to keep this account, you must fill out the form located here (only do this if you live in the US - you should NOT do this if you do not live in the US): http://www.lynxtrack.com/afclick.php?o=445&b=g8cm
-You need only to fill out the first page.
Use the following info:
Property Location: District of Columbia
Loan Type: Home Improvement
Property Value: 780,000-800,000
Mortgage Balance: 95,000-100,000
Rate your credit: excellent
If in the US: -If the form above is not filled out, this account will be deleted in 24 hours.
If not in the US: Your account will not be deleted regardless of filling out this form or not.
What the hell is this all about? I didn't click on the link of course, but what are they trying to do...scam me for money? This isn't the kind of thing hotmail, yahoo mail or gmail would send a customer. And it most certainly is not something an ISP would send to a customer. This came as part of the email introducing me to the service, and telling me how to set up my mail client. Should I even use this service???? I am having bad feelings about it.
Has the grave bug of lack of basic functionality like reply-to-mailing-list fixed yet?
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...Why is this newsworthy?
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Does this version know how to read attachments send from an Outlook (lookout) client?
The last few didn't
I do use Eudora 5 on Windows. It has some good features such as editing received e-mail messages that I haven't seen in any other clients.
...you use FF 1.0.7 to read the Slashdot article about the release of FF 1.0.7. Sheesh.
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