What about the fact* that if something runs amok in a thin-provisioned client and pins a LUN at 100%, the underlying allocation doesn't scale back DOWN after cleanup of such an event.. ending up with the wasted space anyway?
(or the rumour that our OS of choice doesn't really like the magic happening under the covers if you thin-provision, so we're better off avoiding it anyway)
-r
*.. our arrays being EMC and this is what the storage folk tell me.. what do i know, i'm the unix guy.
"Who the F*ck in the right mind fiddle something on SAN without confirming a full backup of all applications/databases?
people who drink the kool-aid whenever vendors of said products repeatedly swear up and down all their tasks/patching/operations are 'totally no-impact and no-visibility changes.' combine that with people unwilling to take downtime or spend $$$ to properly protect the contents ahead of time and you have just cooked a recipe for disaster.
-r (not speaking from personal experience.. of course..:/ )
.. you do realize that each one of those listed items is itself an increased cost to the corporation which buttresses the argument you're trying to oppose? and if you're going to artificially inflate the costs to that corporation in this country.. they'll go elsewhere. check what's happening in corporate america today as some validation.
I was at the IBM location in Charlotte, NC this past week for a workshop. I was there ~3-4 years ago.. they have a nice-sized campus of a number of buildings on the north side of town. Today, I believe I heard one of the site folks mention they now occupied less than half the space. What was more disturbing was the comment that a fair amount of the work have been moved offshore.
You want to keep sqeezing the corporate sector, go right ahead. What will you do when the sponge dries out?
No. Thunderbird 3 is under heavy development, and Thunderbird 2 will continue to receive security updates, even when Firefox 2 won't.
.. cite? admittedly, haven't dug much past TFAs mentioned in the/. story but nothing i saw in those links says 'tbird will be an exception for security fixes.' and moving to an alpha (or even beta?) version of tbird3 is not an acceptable path for a stable codebase in place today.
-r (and yes, i would like some cheese with that..) (and i wish i had a lawn for you damn kids to get off of..)
self-replying... just dropped 3.0.4 back on my box (fwiw, i'm slackware) and so far so good. i wish i could specifically remember what finally drove me to downgrade... just remember it being a piling-on of things (like mplayerplugin was unstable + freezing + occasional spontaneous app-close and the like) and i just quit fighting it...
alas, the first time i tried cutting to ff3 on the linux side of my home pc (dual-booter) it was a nightmare.. constantly crashing/hanging, etc. it's wasn't the prereleases either.. it was 3.0 or 3.0.1. bad enough i actually reverted back to 2. i was just thinking of taking another stab at movin' on up.. just hope it's more solid and not as painful.
Maybe in the history of Mac OS X, but definitely not the history of Apple itself. I'd say that would be, oh, the shift to Unix.
myself, i would consider the shift in architechure a greater historical shakeup. it's still amazing to me apple has shifted their core processor/architechure setup twice, including an emulation layer (each time) to ease transition. i had (and still own) a Motorola Mac (SE/30, Moto 68030 CPU) and remember the titanic shift it was migrating to the PowerPC. And, more recently, shifting from the Power/RISC platform to Intel. I think Apple's continued demonstrated ability to shift its underpinnings with damn near nary a disruption is scary impressive.:)
What about when the phone company disabling features to make a profit or otherwise cripple the hardware? i.e. damn near every US Verizon phone with that shiatty UI, software-blocked bluetooth transfer of ringtones/etc, and so on..
It is extremely frustrating to have a phone capable of many functions only to have the service providor lock you out of them simply to charge you to use that 'feature.'
-r
(and yes, i do bitch and have verizon.. but i also get an amazing deal on service (+ a free krzr, which i LOVE) via work so i grit my teeth and bear it..)
Never will happen to os x or other *nix systems... and just where the hell do you think the term 'rootkit' came from?
this kind of hubris is what can make osx/linux/whatever a zombie just as fast as anything else out there.
i guess you never heard of the old sendmail worm, php-based exploits, etc etc... ? and i guess i just imagine those security advisories IBM puts out for AIX...
if you do no work to insure your OS is as tight as necessary, regardless of what that OS is, you will leave yourself open to being improperly utilized as a system.
heh.. getting fired for doing what your boss told you to do.. it's the new trend in corporate america!
i get told now and then to do something not quite above board.. so i send the requester an email asking them to state in explicit detail what they want so i can be clear (and also have a record/trail). most times, the request is not repeated. doesn't make me terribly popular, but i sure as hell am not going to get tossed for another person's bad (or illegal?) request.
i kinda feel bad for the intern.. kinda like a falsely-accused criminal. this will probably follow him around a while and it was little or no fault of his own..
-r (has NO problem believing the intern's story 100%)
this is what's more curious to me.. when/if a hardware player ever is compromised, what are you gonna do then? the content owner denies your access to their content.. you think the manufacturer will step up with an "oops, our bad; here's a new unit to play stuff.." har.
i don't even know if this has happened with dvd or how possible it is.. but i have to think the potential is out there, and unless the unit has some sort of design foresight to resolve some issue (firmware updates to my bluRay player? and what kinda new 'security' hole is that?!?) i'd think you could be toast... that might actually be one class-action suit i could hop on and enjoy, just to watch potential legal fallout.:)
If you cant produce corn at a profit without the government paying you, you should produce something else that CAN turn a profit.
remember that when you're sitting there starving because your imported grain is suddenly cut off because of some crisis or turmoil external to your country.
i grew up on a family farm. i helped my dad through college until he retired. all the small/medium farmers work their ass off at great risk (you live or die by the weather.. try basing your livelihood on that as a variable) and you get little in return to keep you moving forward. many farmers do not like subsidies themselves but a) have little choice due to increasing operating costs and decreasing return on product at market* & b) it's kinda hard to NOT enter some programs when the government is basically waving money in your face to not produce as much.
-r
*compare the market prices of corn/soybeans now to 1980, 1970, 1960, etc.. now compare the costs of equipment, fertilizers, taxes, etc.. for those same years. the only variables in the farmer's favor is the yield (bushels/acre) increase.. but put it all together it's a very razor-thin margin.
Frankly, I don't get this great desire for direct-delivery, or downloadable, or burn-your-own type of delivery. Why? Well, hell.. you're already getting charged an arm + leg today for the media and its content.. so to make it better you're going to do more of the providor's work for them? You're going to use your bandwidth, burn to your media for the content? What kinda sense is that?
And further.. to continue the cries downloading is the way to go (especially in the middle of this HD-format battle we're in),instead of a shiny silvery thing (complete with its case, booklet, promo materials) we're going to be satisfied with a download direct to a black box? You think that box is going to have any to get that content out of it? Especially if the RIAA/Hollywood/Insert-Your-Favorite-Boogeyman-here , et al have their way about it?
I've been watching this trend with music (iTunes, etc..), I see people think it's the cat's balls for video.. and I simply don't get it. Or I'm to materialistic and prefer the tangible product in my hand compared to some stuff on a harddrive somewhere which is (imho) prone to higher levels of control or loss due to failure..
-r (or maybe it's just another sign i'm getting older..:)
Lockheed Martin is rushing a software fix to Hawaii after 12 US Air Force F-22A Raptors en route to Japan for the stealth fighter's first overseas deployment had to turn back because an unspecified problem with their navigation systems.
well, THAT patch hasn't had much time for a burn-in/test period. how comfy would you feel flying with that in place?
not really sure i really gel'd with gentoo. it never made it to my primary pc; i played with it a bunch on a secondary box. i did kinda like emerge, i liked the custom-compile twiddle-your-own-settings-to-the-nth-degree thing.. but ultimately i just liked the balance of simplicity/hands-on stuff of slackware. that, and my secondary box (lowly pII-based celery466) had a mild coronary when i asked it to build kde. it was fun to watch the smoke curl out of the case.:)
.. 2.4 kernel..
yeah, i'm not sure why pat went that way with 11; i think the 2.6 series has been out there enuogh. and with the 'super-stable' 2.6.16.x kernels.. well, pat's the maintainer. since i roll my own kernels anyway, i'm running vanilla 2.6s on my main boxes (home desktop & work laptop).
How does Slackware work with modern hardware? (Wifi, SATA, etc)
Dunno yet on sata; i will when i finally buy my am2 mobo. wifi; i have a dell latitude d600 with the intel centrino/ipw2100 stuff, and it works fine.. again, with my vanilla 2.6 kernel & udev enabled. nary a problem. if i had any gripes with the base stuff.. it is lack of lvm tools in the install area. building an lvm-based initial install is.. challenging.:)
it's worth mentioning slack does include a 2.6 kernel with it; it's in the/extra/. dir area and you can install it. pat just uses a 2.4 as the base install.
il'l try gentoo again at some point, probably on one of my non-intel boxes (not many ppc or mips distros out there to pick from anyway.. compared to i386)
What does Slackware offer the newbie Linux user that something like Ubuntu doesn't?
a more hands-on approach to the unix operating system. slackware isn't flashy, isn't what some would even call 'refined' but it is a stable, well-balanced hands-on distro. it's a little more 'primitive' in some things like package management (*whine* dependencies *whine*) but this also works in your favor when repairing a system (reliance only on tar if absolutely necessary). This is only one thought i came up with right quick..
What selling points does Slackware have for the interested & experienced Linux geek?
rock-solid stable. if you stick with distro-only packages, you can expect to have practically no problems with it. that's part of the reason the package versions are older; they're tested. pat doesn't go latest-n-greatest unless a large demand exists or a security vuln is found. fwiw, i had a slack3 mailserver at my 1st job acting as corporate email router/gateway for our entire company (~150 ppl). except for the kernel and sendmail itself*, the system was vanilla slack. ran like a top.
i've tried a number of distros for short periods (longest non-slack dabbling was gentoo).. but i keep drifting back to it. i'm also a unix admin by day, if that matters. for me, slack is just plain and simple the easiest distro i've dealt with.
-r
* only reason i went more current with sendmail was this being the time ~sendmail8 started adding antispam bits and it was overall easier than going back and trying to hack the stuff in v7.. and i always love dabbling with the -current kernel, whatever it is.
It's a good start. Legal issues may end up being the biggest hurdle.
not for this part of the player. legally, this piece of the puzzle (the technical one) is probably the least worrisome. it's what you do with the signal you read that starts getting you into trouble these days..:)
With Apple no longer buying chips from them, they really need to prove themselves.
If you equate Power or IBM processors with Apple, then you have no clue. Check out a few datacenters and see just what's running inside some of those large black boxes with 3 blue letters on them. You keep your G4/G5, I'll stick to playing with Power4s, Power5s (and the projected Power6s when they get here).
*patpatpat*.. just lay your little head back down, don't you fret none... *patpatpat*
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No, it only means the normal people have invaded our territory. GET OFF MY (unix-y) LAWN..
".. noo, 'TIS the rabbit!"
-r
What about the fact* that if something runs amok in a thin-provisioned client and pins a LUN at 100%, the underlying allocation doesn't scale back DOWN after cleanup of such an event.. ending up with the wasted space anyway?
(or the rumour that our OS of choice doesn't really like the magic happening under the covers if you thin-provision, so we're better off avoiding it anyway)
-r
* .. our arrays being EMC and this is what the storage folk tell me.. what do i know, i'm the unix guy.
"Who the F*ck in the right mind fiddle something on SAN without confirming a full backup of all applications/databases?
people who drink the kool-aid whenever vendors of said products repeatedly swear up and down all their tasks/patching/operations are 'totally no-impact and no-visibility changes.' combine that with people unwilling to take downtime or spend $$$ to properly protect the contents ahead of time and you have just cooked a recipe for disaster.
-r (not speaking from personal experience.. of course.. :/ )
.. you do realize that each one of those listed items is itself an increased cost to the corporation which buttresses the argument you're trying to oppose? and if you're going to artificially inflate the costs to that corporation in this country.. they'll go elsewhere. check what's happening in corporate america today as some validation.
I was at the IBM location in Charlotte, NC this past week for a workshop. I was there ~3-4 years ago.. they have a nice-sized campus of a number of buildings on the north side of town. Today, I believe I heard one of the site folks mention they now occupied less than half the space. What was more disturbing was the comment that a fair amount of the work have been moved offshore.
You want to keep sqeezing the corporate sector, go right ahead. What will you do when the sponge dries out?
-r
.. do we learn nothing from SimCity?
-r
No. Thunderbird 3 is under heavy development, and Thunderbird 2 will continue to receive security updates, even when Firefox 2 won't.
.. cite? admittedly, haven't dug much past TFAs mentioned in the /. story but nothing i saw in those links says 'tbird will be an exception for security fixes.' and moving to an alpha (or even beta?) version of tbird3 is not an acceptable path for a stable codebase in place today.
-r
(and yes, i would like some cheese with that..)
(and i wish i had a lawn for you damn kids to get off of..)
self-replying... just dropped 3.0.4 back on my box (fwiw, i'm slackware) and so far so good. i wish i could specifically remember what finally drove me to downgrade... just remember it being a piling-on of things (like mplayerplugin was unstable + freezing + occasional spontaneous app-close and the like) and i just quit fighting it...
we'll see how it goes..
-r
alas, the first time i tried cutting to ff3 on the linux side of my home pc (dual-booter) it was a nightmare.. constantly crashing/hanging, etc. it's wasn't the prereleases either.. it was 3.0 or 3.0.1. bad enough i actually reverted back to 2. i was just thinking of taking another stab at movin' on up.. just hope it's more solid and not as painful.
-r
Maybe in the history of Mac OS X, but definitely not the history of Apple itself. I'd say that would be, oh, the shift to Unix.
:)
myself, i would consider the shift in architechure a greater historical shakeup. it's still amazing to me apple has shifted their core processor/architechure setup twice, including an emulation layer (each time) to ease transition. i had (and still own) a Motorola Mac (SE/30, Moto 68030 CPU) and remember the titanic shift it was migrating to the PowerPC. And, more recently, shifting from the Power/RISC platform to Intel. I think Apple's continued demonstrated ability to shift its underpinnings with damn near nary a disruption is scary impressive.
-r
What about when the phone company disabling features to make a profit or otherwise cripple the hardware? i.e. damn near every US Verizon phone with that shiatty UI, software-blocked bluetooth transfer of ringtones/etc, and so on..
It is extremely frustrating to have a phone capable of many functions only to have the service providor lock you out of them simply to charge you to use that 'feature.'
-r
(and yes, i do bitch and have verizon.. but i also get an amazing deal on service (+ a free krzr, which i LOVE) via work so i grit my teeth and bear it..)
Never will happen to os x or other *nix systems. .. and just where the hell do you think the term 'rootkit' came from?
... ? and i guess i just imagine those security advisories IBM puts out for AIX...
this kind of hubris is what can make osx/linux/whatever a zombie just as fast as anything else out there.
i guess you never heard of the old sendmail worm, php-based exploits, etc etc
if you do no work to insure your OS is as tight as necessary, regardless of what that OS is, you will leave yourself open to being improperly utilized as a system.
-r
heh.. getting fired for doing what your boss told you to do.. it's the new trend in corporate america!
i get told now and then to do something not quite above board.. so i send the requester an email asking them to state in explicit detail what they want so i can be clear (and also have a record/trail). most times, the request is not repeated. doesn't make me terribly popular, but i sure as hell am not going to get tossed for another person's bad (or illegal?) request.
i kinda feel bad for the intern.. kinda like a falsely-accused criminal. this will probably follow him around a while and it was little or no fault of his own..
-r (has NO problem believing the intern's story 100%)
-r
this is what's more curious to me.. when/if a hardware player ever is compromised, what are you gonna do then? the content owner denies your access to their content.. you think the manufacturer will step up with an "oops, our bad; here's a new unit to play stuff.." har.
.. that might actually be one class-action suit i could hop on and enjoy, just to watch potential legal fallout. :)
i don't even know if this has happened with dvd or how possible it is.. but i have to think the potential is out there, and unless the unit has some sort of design foresight to resolve some issue (firmware updates to my bluRay player? and what kinda new 'security' hole is that?!?) i'd think you could be toast.
-r
If you cant produce corn at a profit without the government paying you, you should produce something else that CAN turn a profit.
remember that when you're sitting there starving because your imported grain is suddenly cut off because of some crisis or turmoil external to your country.
i grew up on a family farm. i helped my dad through college until he retired. all the small/medium farmers work their ass off at great risk (you live or die by the weather.. try basing your livelihood on that as a variable) and you get little in return to keep you moving forward. many farmers do not like subsidies themselves but a) have little choice due to increasing operating costs and decreasing return on product at market* & b) it's kinda hard to NOT enter some programs when the government is basically waving money in your face to not produce as much.
-r
*compare the market prices of corn/soybeans now to 1980, 1970, 1960, etc.. now compare the costs of equipment, fertilizers, taxes, etc.. for those same years. the only variables in the farmer's favor is the yield (bushels/acre) increase.. but put it all together it's a very razor-thin margin.
Frankly, I don't get this great desire for direct-delivery, or downloadable, or burn-your-own type of delivery. Why? Well, hell.. you're already getting charged an arm + leg today for the media and its content.. so to make it better you're going to do more of the providor's work for them? You're going to use your bandwidth, burn to your media for the content? What kinda sense is that?
e , et al have their way about it?
:)
And further.. to continue the cries downloading is the way to go (especially in the middle of this HD-format battle we're in),instead of a shiny silvery thing (complete with its case, booklet, promo materials) we're going to be satisfied with a download direct to a black box? You think that box is going to have any to get that content out of it? Especially if the RIAA/Hollywood/Insert-Your-Favorite-Boogeyman-her
I've been watching this trend with music (iTunes, etc..), I see people think it's the cat's balls for video.. and I simply don't get it. Or I'm to materialistic and prefer the tangible product in my hand compared to some stuff on a harddrive somewhere which is (imho) prone to higher levels of control or loss due to failure..
-r (or maybe it's just another sign i'm getting older..
from tfa...
Lockheed Martin is rushing a software fix to Hawaii after 12 US Air Force F-22A Raptors en route to Japan for the stealth fighter's first overseas deployment had to turn back because an unspecified problem with their navigation systems.
well, THAT patch hasn't had much time for a burn-in/test period. how comfy would you feel flying with that in place?
-r (*shudder*)
I'm just curious, but what made you leave Gentoo?
:)
.. 2.4 kernel ..
:)
/extra/. dir area and you can install it. pat just uses a 2.4 as the base install.
not really sure i really gel'd with gentoo. it never made it to my primary pc; i played with it a bunch on a secondary box. i did kinda like emerge, i liked the custom-compile twiddle-your-own-settings-to-the-nth-degree thing.. but ultimately i just liked the balance of simplicity/hands-on stuff of slackware. that, and my secondary box (lowly pII-based celery466) had a mild coronary when i asked it to build kde. it was fun to watch the smoke curl out of the case.
yeah, i'm not sure why pat went that way with 11; i think the 2.6 series has been out there enuogh. and with the 'super-stable' 2.6.16.x kernels.. well, pat's the maintainer. since i roll my own kernels anyway, i'm running vanilla 2.6s on my main boxes (home desktop & work laptop).
How does Slackware work with modern hardware? (Wifi, SATA, etc)
Dunno yet on sata; i will when i finally buy my am2 mobo. wifi; i have a dell latitude d600 with the intel centrino/ipw2100 stuff, and it works fine.. again, with my vanilla 2.6 kernel & udev enabled. nary a problem. if i had any gripes with the base stuff.. it is lack of lvm tools in the install area. building an lvm-based initial install is.. challenging.
it's worth mentioning slack does include a 2.6 kernel with it; it's in the
il'l try gentoo again at some point, probably on one of my non-intel boxes (not many ppc or mips distros out there to pick from anyway.. compared to i386)
-r
What does Slackware offer the newbie Linux user that something like Ubuntu doesn't?
a more hands-on approach to the unix operating system. slackware isn't flashy, isn't what some would even call 'refined' but it is a stable, well-balanced hands-on distro. it's a little more 'primitive' in some things like package management (*whine* dependencies *whine*) but this also works in your favor when repairing a system (reliance only on tar if absolutely necessary). This is only one thought i came up with right quick..
What selling points does Slackware have for the interested & experienced Linux geek?
rock-solid stable. if you stick with distro-only packages, you can expect to have practically no problems with it. that's part of the reason the package versions are older; they're tested. pat doesn't go latest-n-greatest unless a large demand exists or a security vuln is found. fwiw, i had a slack3 mailserver at my 1st job acting as corporate email router/gateway for our entire company (~150 ppl). except for the kernel and sendmail itself*, the system was vanilla slack. ran like a top.
i've tried a number of distros for short periods (longest non-slack dabbling was gentoo).. but i keep drifting back to it. i'm also a unix admin by day, if that matters. for me, slack is just plain and simple the easiest distro i've dealt with.
-r
* only reason i went more current with sendmail was this being the time ~sendmail8 started adding antispam bits and it was overall easier than going back and trying to hack the stuff in v7.. and i always love dabbling with the -current kernel, whatever it is.
It's a good start. Legal issues may end up being the biggest hurdle.
:)
not for this part of the player. legally, this piece of the puzzle (the technical one) is probably the least worrisome. it's what you do with the signal you read that starts getting you into trouble these days..
-'fester
-'fester
With Apple no longer buying chips from them, they really need to prove themselves.
If you equate Power or IBM processors with Apple, then you have no clue. Check out a few datacenters and see just what's running inside some of those large black boxes with 3 blue letters on them. You keep your G4/G5, I'll stick to playing with Power4s, Power5s (and the projected Power6s when they get here).
*patpatpat*.. just lay your little head back down, don't you fret none... *patpatpat*
-'fester
if that's all in the summary, what's left to r in tfa? .. oh yea, this is slashdot. i forgot. NO ONE reads tfa... :)
-'fester
-'fester