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Alchemy in the Desert, Diesel Exhaust into H2O

Carl Bialik writes "The Wall Street Journal is reporting that 'Using technologies developed for the space program, the U.S. Army is conducting an experiment that could convert the exhaust pipes of military vehicles into water fountains.' The idea is meant to help alleviate the logistical challenges presented by two essential army liquids: water and diesel fuel. A soldier in the desert needs about 20 gallons of water a day, for all purposes; 'Water gets to the front in vulnerable, slow-moving truck convoys that require armed escorts, or it is pumped from local rivers, lakes or ponds and purified by heavy-duty filters.' And maybe, in the future, it will also be extracted from diesel exhaust. The president of a company that developed the test technology tells the WSJ: 'This is one of those things where, when you first hear about it, you think the scientists have gone out of their minds. But once you taste the water, you realize the potential.'"

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  1. But once you taste the water! by Muhammar · · Score: 3, Funny

    "But once you taste the water, you realize the potential."

    Perhaps a coffee flavoring agent for Folger's "value roast" blend, sold for office use only?

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    1. Re: But once you taste the water! by eclectro · · Score: 2, Funny

      Perhaps a coffee flavoring agent for Folger's "value roast" blend, sold for office use only?

      Not only that it's mil-spec. But one minor problem - when you go to the bathroom it smells like diesel exhaust.

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  2. Subject to interpretation by jd · · Score: 4, Funny
    But once you taste the water, you realize the potential


    This could mean any of the following:


    • Their process uses electrical currents, so what you get when in contact with the water really IS the potential
    • They've discovered a way to turn the pollutants into hallucinogenic substances, allowing them to earn a fortune
    • Same as the above, only they can pipe it into their opponent's water supply
    • Same as the above, only the troops are now berserkers and think they're indestructible
    • They've discovered a way to turn the fumes into something that will make photographs invisible to journalists
    • The water is, in fact, the elixier of life, so forever guaranteeing no US casualties
    • They have discovered a way to fractionally condense diesel fumes which they will patent and use to collect the revenue gained by suing every school in the western hemisphere for having physics or chemistry textbooks
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  3. This has come out before by Wierd+Willy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Scientific American had an article about 15 years ago on this.

    Wired has a good article on this:
    http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,65035,00.ht ml

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  4. Re:What about the nasties in the exhaust? by DasBub · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hear that reading the article is generally a good thing to do before posting.

    Thanks for playing.

  5. Another preparation for war story by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2, Funny

    First a Slashdot story about U.S. preparations for war: Army Eyes Anti-Sniper Robot, then, after two other stories, this story, also about preparations for war.

    The mood in the U.S. is violent, and pro-violence, in general, it appears.

    1. Re:Another preparation for war story by GameMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Whether you agree with the war or not, it's still natural to want to see the troops overseas get the best equipment we can give them. Unlike Vietnam, even the anti-war movement doesn't blame the individual troops and wish them dead (Honestly, I don't even know how prevalent that opinion was during Vietnam).

      Besides, military technology has always been a popular topic of discussion. The U.S. military gets all the neat toys so tech guys want to see what is cutting edge and sometimes the stuff ends up filtering down into the private sector (GPS, HUMVEE, etc.).

      The mood in the U.S., as far as I've seen, is no more violent than it has ever been (for better or for worse). The country is pretty evenly split in opinion on whether the war is right. Although, many people that don't think it's a good war still think we should finish the job right rather than walk away and leave Iraq a chaotic mess.

      Anyway, two data points do not make a trend. :-P

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  6. Skeptical! by mister_llah · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'd try it, but I'm afraid it'd give me gas! *rimshot*

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  7. Alchemy? by helioquake · · Score: 3, Funny

    Alchemy? It seems like the process takes a simple chemical combustion, not atom-altering alchemy.

    It's bad when the old chemistry trick is viewed like some kind of magic...
    [nontheless, this is a cool stuff, though. Beats drinking my own urine via filtering.]

  8. Re:Chlorine? by GameMaster · · Score: 2, Informative

    From the article:

    "From there, the decidedly unappetizing-looking water moves to a series of six "treatment beds," which consist of proprietary carbon filters developed by LexCarb. The first four filters strain out black gunk so that the water becomes amber. The final two filters remove remaining impurities, resulting in water that is as clean, or cleaner, than the tap water of many U.S. cities."

    Supposedly, the water is "cleaner than tap water in many U.S. cities" before they add the chlorine solution. The brown color you are talking about seems to exist only mid-way through the series of filters.

    As for why they don't use a UV filter. The article later explains that the chlorine is meant to stop bacteria from developing in the water well after the purification process is over. I can understand how UV/RO membrane would kill/catch any bacteria present but I don't think it would stop re-contamination later (honestly, I'm not exactly familiar with how RO membranes work but I'm assuming its a filter that doesn't stick around in the water afterwards).

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  9. Moisture farming? by rdwald · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Hamilton Sundstrand...also is completing a $1 million contract for a high-powered dehumidifier the size of a dorm-room refrigerator that can extract water vapor from the air, even in the desert. The Army plans to display the water-from-air box this week in Washington, D.C., at the annual convention of the Association of the U.S. Army, a lobbying and support group for active and retired personnel.

    They've invented vaporators!
    1. Re:Moisture farming? by Grotus · · Score: 2, Informative

      You realize that there is about half of one part per million of Hydrogen in air, right? Since at 32C (90F) the maximum water vapor is around 50,000 PPM, even with a relative humidity of 1%, there is still 500 PPM of water in the air, or 1000 times as much water as Hydrogen.

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  10. Re:Chlorine? by DasBub · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you re-read the article you'd notice that the amber-coloured water was after four filtering steps, not the entire six.

    After the amber stage is reached, it goes through two more filters and then chlorine is added to keep the water from getting funky while waiting to be dispensed.

    So chlorine isn't used as a filtering agent, more of a preservative.

  11. Re:Chlorine? by merphant · · Score: 2, Informative

    I used to work for a RO company; essentially the membrane splits salty water into extra salty water ("brine") and clean product water. A simplistic explanation is that the polar water molecules split the salt lattice into ions, which get surrounded by more H20 molecules. This means you get big H20/ion clumps that can't squeeze through the membrane, and a bunch more smaller plain old H20 molecules that do get pushed through the membrane. Typically before the membrane you have some prefilters to get out the bigger chunks like bacteria and stuff. Some modern RO systems can be run off solar panels, which would be ideal in a desert application. See also Wikipedia's articles on reverse osmosis and RO desalinization.

    The company I worked for actually had a military contract to see if they could get water from air, using lithium bromide. They had a proof of concept thing done, but they were still working out the bugs when I left.

    I think that this is one of the few advantages to having a military with huge amounts of cash; they can fund interesting new technologies that need to actually perform in harsh environments. Although maybe instead of killing people, they could do something more interesting and helpful, like explore the depths of the ocean, or the surface of the moon. Just a thought.

  12. Re:What about the nasties in the exhaust? by kimvette · · Score: 3, Informative

    You intake uranium every day in your food anyhow, and it's actually a very common element (just not the isotopes used to build nukes). It's in everyone's drinking water. http://www.epa.gov/radiation/radionuclides/uranium .htm has some info you'll want to read.

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  13. Not quite like Catalytic Converters? by tacocat · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't think this will work quite like a catalytic converter, which reduces he emissions into something less nasty. Rather it just extracts chemical H2O from the emissions. I was hoping for news that someone can actually convert the diesel exhaust into something less nasty. That would be a good thing.

  14. Re:What?!??! by Handpaper · · Score: 3, Interesting
    You beat me to it.
    I would add, though, that throughout the Napoleonic wars, and wherever in the world they operated at that time (including the Caribbean and Mediterranean), the Royal Navy's water ration was "one gallon per man, per day, for all purposes". This was an Imperial gallon, about ten US pints, but it shows what can be done if you try :)

  15. Re:What?!??! by sexylicious · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, and you could always smell the British and French before you saw them. ;)

    Actually, in the heat, the Army wants you to drink a gallon every four hours. And living in the high desert in California, I can honestly tell you that just breathing dehydrates you because the air is so dry. And it's not even as hot as the middle east!

    I would think the rest of the water is for shaving, face washing, food preparation, coffee, and cleaning. Showers aren't done too often unless you are near a base. Instead you use moist towelletes to clean your pits, genitals, and ass. This keeps bacteria from growing in those places,which can slow a person down tremendously. That is if you elect to, some people get away with not cleaning themselves.