TurboGears: Python on Rails?

gcantallopsr writes "If you liked Ruby on Rails and its 15m intro video (.mov) you will probably like TurboGears and its 20 minute wiki tutorial. (.mov) It shows you the development of a simple wiki in just 20 minutes, and there is a text version of the tutorial. TurboGears uses Python, SQLObject, CherryPy, Kid, MochiKit and some extra pythonic glue to help you to (in their own words) 'Create a database-driven, ready-to-extend application in minutes. All with designer friendly templates, easy AJAX on the browser side and on the server side, not a single SQL query in sight with code that is as natural as writing a function.'"

Comments

20 mins vs 15 mins!!

[VC]

How do the python crowd expect to get taken seriously when implementing a wiki takes an whopping 125% as long in python as in ruby!!!!!!????

(oh wait, they did ajax as well.. ;-)

Re:20 mins vs 15 mins!!

[jurt1235]

How does anybody get taken seriously anymore when creating just another wiki?

Re:Perl on rails?

[jcr]

God Forbid.

-jcr

Re:no sql?

[ammoQ]

Because SQL with its subqueries, joins, unions, aggregate function etc. is way to powerfull. It doesn't match the OO paradigm, therefore it must be bad.
It's obviously much more efficient to retrieve a million records, create a million objects and count those objects with a certain property than runnig a simple "select count(*) from x where y=z" against the database.
If this assumption does not hold, you should build caching, optimizations etc. into the persistence framework, until you have a database sitting on top of a database.

Re:Does it scale?

[swillden]

A few hours getting to know something new is never wasted.

I once spent a couple of hours looking at VBScript.

I think I came away knowing less about good programming than before, *and* I was out two hours.