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Novell's Releases Linux Usability Testing Videos

sp3298622 writes "Novell is releasing primary desktop research, including over 200 videos and analysis of usability tests, at betterdesktop.openSUSE.org. Vice president of collaboration and desktop engineering for Novell, Nat Friedman: As a programmer, it's sometimes difficult to know how ordinary people with no technical experience are reacting to your software. Linux people tend to know other Linux people. In these usability tests, we selected test subjects who were experienced with Windows, but who had never heard of Linux, and asked them to perform basic tasks using the Linux desktop."

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  1. Batten down the hatches by ettlz · · Score: 4, Funny

    You know that ruddy "Linux vs. Windows Usability: The Quake Installation Test" troll is lurking around here somewhere.

  2. Please proofread. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    That headline is just embarassing.

    1. Re:Please proofread. by hahiss · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, I think it should read:

        Novells Release's Linux Usability Testing Video's

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  3. Hm. by Captain+Scurvy · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Linux people tend to know other Linux people. In these usability tests, we selected test subjects who were experienced with Windows, but who had never heard of Linux, and asked them to perform basic tasks using the Linux desktop.

    Might this only result in the Linux desktop becoming more like Windows?

    1. Re:Hm. by xtracto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Burn Karma!...
      Sure...
      I have seen the page and the different case studies, they seem ok but I think there were 2 or 3 cases that are a lot more common:

      1. Scan a picture, create a new document and write something about the picture.
      2. Move the pictures of your camera to the place where you save your pictures in the computer.
      3. Engage in a multimedia chat with some friend (micrphone+webcam+text)

      Of course every linux user knows [although some of they deny it] those are non trivial tasks in a linux distribution ;)

      [I can hear the shout of a thousand Linux zealot moderators :) btw I am getting linux instead of Windows in my department computer this week, so nope I am not a n anti-linux freak]

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    2. Re:Hm. by s20451 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The mark of a good user interface is that it is either intuitive (i.e., the function of particular widgets is obvious), or where this is not possible, that it is easy to learn.

      Of course the user has to start with a basic amount of computing experience. But you would expect people with windows experience to do well when switching to macs, because the mac interface is well designed, even though it is not the same as windows. So the question of whether the average windows user can figure out the linux interface is a good one.

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    3. Re:Hm. by I+confirm+I'm+not+a · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Might this only result in the Linux desktop becoming more like Windows?

      Maybe... but...
      There was a brief comment in an article in, I think, last month's Linux Format (UK magazine) (I'm at work, so can't get at the article, sorry). Usability testing had been done on Evolution, and it was observed that one volunteer repeatedly used the "send/receive email" when they wanted to create a new email. The testers realised that the traditional "send/receive" button was not particularly intuitive. To my mind, that's the kind of useful information we might well get from this kind of testing - not assistance in turning Linux into Windows 2.

      I mention this only because I believe there's still hope ;-)

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    4. Re:Hm. by zootm · · Score: 4, Informative

      Putting a CD into a Windows machine pops up a box, one of the options of which "Copy the music to your computer". Your boss must be really dumb.

      Claiming it is non-trivial on Windows is fallacious though, it's certainly no more difficult. Windows Media Player is included with Windows (except in some versions in the EU!) and is capable of ripping CDs.

  4. So much for this by Raelus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    89% sounds like a very good success ratio for the date and time test. However, RTFA and you'll see that only eleven people participated, most of them female.

    If you don't have a diverse testing population, you aren't going to produce meaningful results. The idea is fine and all, but the results are mostly useless.

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    1. Re:So much for this by Twylite · · Score: 4, Informative

      The required population size depends on what you're trying to test and how carefully you select your population. If you're trying to test the failure rate of moderately experienced Windows users performing tasks on a Linux system, and you can accurately identify and select moderately experienced Windows users with no prior Linux experience, then you only need a tiny population.

      Testing the failure rate is important: 100% of 11 users succeeding at a task can give you at most ~ 90% confidence that all similar users will succeed. 1 of 11 users failing is a far stronger result, telling you that you can expect at least 9% of all users to fail.

      Various usability experts suggest that as few as 5 or 10 individuals are required for usability testing, and the remaining usability issues are discovered and resolved via the bug reporting and maintenance processes.

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    2. Re:So much for this by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Informative

      89% sounds like a very good success ratio for the date and time test. However, RTFA and you'll see that only eleven people participated, most of them female.

      Eleven people is a pretty good sized group for a usability test. This sort of testing is pretty expensive and time consuming, it's not like a survey or something. From a group that size, you can get a pretty good idea of how the average person will try to accomplish a task and some problems they may encounter. I've worked on projects where usability tests included only three people to test the interface to a product costing tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars. I'm going to have to disagree that these results are meaningless. The important thing is how did the user who failed try to do the task. What stopped them? What problems did other users have?

    3. Re:So much for this by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 5, Funny
      However, RTFA and you'll see that only eleven people participated, most of them female.

      Woot! And we got video of them, too!

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  5. Finally! by Animats · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This has been needed for so long. This is how it's done.

    Developers, you don't get to check in code until you've watched the video of users struggling with your program. OK?

  6. this is needed by fak3r · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While I've seen things like this before, I'm liking Novell's approaches to Open Source more an more these days. With the excellent SUSE 10 (still may replace Ubuntu on my main workstation) and projects like Beagle and Hula, they're set to really make a splash if they take this useability idea seriously. They seem to be gelling more on the desktop than anyone else of late, 3 years ago who'd have expected Novell to be doing this? Awesome.

  7. The day the internet choked by rob_squared · · Score: 4, Funny

    200 videos + slashdot link = massive conflagration.

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  8. Fortitude by minginqunt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a hard thing is to admit that free software has a usability problem. The natural temptation is to sit and watch these videos whilst screaming "You idiots! You don't click "Send and Receive" if you want to send an email! What's wrong with you?!?!"

    It is difficult, but it's vitally important. These people aren't stupid losers- they are fluent in another operating system, where they can achieve whatever it is they want.

    The problems on show here are ours, not theirs.

    Martin

  9. It's one thing to do an analysis... by HerculesMO · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but another entirely to start working on a solution. The barrier to desktop Linux lies in simplicity, and without conducting a study or showing you a video, I can explain it easily.

    Go to the web on a Linux PC (provided you've got a browser pre-installed), and download a tarball of say, Firefox. You are a Windows user but you're 'elite', so you use Firefox, and since it's available for Linux, you want to have the same browser.

    You have downloaded the tarball, presumably to your desktop. You double click on the file, and it gets opened by Archive Manager. And from here, you can bet that 99% of the Windows folks that would like an alternative to their PCs will not make the adaptation to Linux.

    It has to be EASY. Apple set the benchmark for this -- and if imitation is the greatest form of flattery, then do it. Who cares about inflating Apple's ego? If Linux makes a breakthru on the desktop because it's as easy to use as an Apple, or even as easy as Windows, how does that hurt anybody? The true geek can rely on the the commandline only distros, or drop to terminal to get their tasks done using regular expressions and grep or whatever they want, while the 'idiots' (and I would venture to say, that I'm one of them) can use the nice GUI that's simple to follow and easy to use.

    Then folks, when developers see that they can cross develop applications that work in Linux (with little overhead), and that people will be able to easily use and access them -- THEY WILL. The open source community just needs to see that fact and start making solutions happen. With the extremely fast and accurate nature of Open Source, the feats that have come from it are amazing. It's more amazing, that the basis of Open Source -- Linux -- remains fundamentally unchanged to accomodate the eager Windows users (read: ME) to switch fully to Linux. Until the snobbery stops and changes start, Linux on the desktop is going nowhere fast. And that's upsetting for a Windows user tired of his OS, and not wanting to get tied into another corporate entity (Apple).

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  10. Missing... by TerminaMorte · · Score: 5, Funny

    Missing Tests:

    1) Ooops! Find your kernels source, kill X, and install the drivers for your video card. Oh, and updated XF86Config. Or Xorg.conf. Whichever one you happen to have.
    2) Damnit, another kernel panic. Find what obscure change caused it to happen this time!
    3) Ah, so now you have a wireless card? Try to get it working! You might need to use ndiswrapper. If you get another kernel panic, go back to #2.
    4) Ah, can't get above 800x600 resolution, eh? Yeah... find your monitors horizontal and verticle refresh rates. Google it, and you might get lucky.
    5) Figure out how to resolve RPM dependancies. Shit, that package needs Python 2.4.2, huh? Ah well, 2.3.9 is installed. Guess you're out of luck.

    All joking aside, this was a pretty intresting study. ;)

  11. Mod parent +25. by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hmmmmm .... take people who are experienced with performing a certain function on Windows ....

    Then put them in front of a different system (like say a Mac) and see if they have any problems performing that same function.

    Of course the "easiest" (and therefore the "best") user interface will be the one that is as close to 100% identical to the only one they've used before.

    That's great for Novell because they're trying to get a slice of the Windows market.

    But this does not provide ANY information that any person could not get just by spending 10 minutes on a Windows machine and copying down menu locations and order and wording.

    1. Re:Mod parent +25. by TuringTest · · Score: 5, Insightful


      Of course the "easiest" (and therefore the "best") user interface will be the one that is as close to 100% identical to the only one they've used before.


      That's false. The best interface is one that reflects the user expectations. The Windows interface doesn't reflect user expectations in many ways, so it's possible to create a better interface than one which is just identical.

      That should be the aim for the Linux Desktop design, not just to attract former Windows users but to best serve previous Linux users as well.

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  12. Re:Define basic tasks by krgallagher · · Score: 4, Informative
    "Define basic tasks "

    OK Here is (I think) the complete list from the article:

    • Task: Add an entry in the addressbook
    • Task: Make an account on this computer for your friend
    • Task: Add a birthday reminder to the calendar
    • Task: Change the wallpaper
    • Task: Change the fonts on the computer
    • Task: Please correct your computer's date/time
    • Task: Create a playlist
    • Task: Crop the photo of the cat
    • Task: Email "A Tale of Two Cities" to arthur@ximian.com
    • Task: Upload your photos to your website
    • Task: Figure out if the computer is online
    • Task: Find all the music by Bach
    • Task: Edit the note that you made for yourself
    • Task: Find out if the computer is online
    • Task: Find the document "A Tale of Two Cities" on the computer
    • Task: See if you have enough free disk space for a new game
    • Task: Import the photos from the camera to the computer
    • Task: Please login to the computer
    • Task: Make the photo of the car brighter
    • Task: Make a shortcut on the desktop for the addressbook program
    • Task: Make a new photo tag
    • Task: Make a note for yourself
    • Task: Play the selected song
    • Task: Remove some songs from the playlist
    • Task: Please rotate the photo of the cat
    • Task: Assign the "People" tag to all photos with people in them
    • Task: Turn the volume down
    • Task: Turn off the login music

    I found it interesting that eight out of twelve succesfully completed the "Find out if the computer is online" task. I also wonder if these users could complete all these tasks in Widows.

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  13. Re:Excellent Idea! by PsychicX · · Score: 4, Funny

    Next week's article: Microsoft released a video of people who never used Linux, being asked to use a partly configured LFS system. The users were dropped at a command prompt and asked to simply fire up the windowing system, open the word processor, listen to music, etc. Every single user failed. MS points out that this is 100% accurate and solid evidence that Linux's TCO is 400% higher than Windows.

  14. So ... everything should run like DOS? by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It's a hard thing is to admit that free software has a usability problem.
    No it's not. It's just difficult to accept that Windows is the best user interface. Particularly because the Windows user interface seems to be changing with every release now. Using that logic, the GUI would never have been accepted because everyone at the time was far more familiar and proficient with the old DOS system.

    I have users who were quite skilled with Win2K who are lost with WinXP (until I show them how to make it look like Win2K).

    So, which interface should Linux emulate then? Win2K or WinXP? Or Mac? Or something else?
    It is difficult, but it's vitally important.
    It is difficult and it is important ... but this approach is wrong.

    This approach will give you completely different answers depending upon whether the group you select is familiar with:
    a. Win2K
      or
    b. WinXP
      or
    c. Macs
    These people aren't stupid losers- they are fluent in another operating system, where they can achieve whatever it is they want.
    Yep. And so the "best" interface for Linux would be ... whatever the majority of Windows users are familiar with.

    Novell could have saved all that time and money and just spent 10 minutes with a Windows machine, copying down menu locations, order and wording.

    There is NO "usability testing" being performed here. No one will learn whether a specific Windows implementation of a menu is less optimal than a different one.

    All that will be "learned" is whether those users can find the Linux equivalent and that will always be easiest for them when the Linux menues are 100% identical to the Windows menues that those users are familiar with.
  15. Like fish in a barrel.... by gosand · · Score: 4, Funny
    89% sounds like a very good success ratio for the date and time test. However, RTFA and you'll see that only eleven people participated, most of them female.

    And we all know that programmers have no frickin idea how to satisfy a woman.

    like shooting karma-fish in a slash-barrel. :)

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  16. I'd go a bit further than that... by famebait · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a programmer, it's sometimes difficult to know how ordinary people with no technical experience are reacting to your software.

    How about "always completly fscking impossible" for more precision.

    Not that there's nothing to gain from training and experience in usability design. Far from it: it will let you skip many obvious problems, and help you resolve others that users find for you in better and more efficient ways. But until your interface is tested on "real people" in at least a couple of iterations, there is no way in hell you can call it "good", "finished", or anything of the sort. If you don't agree, you've probably never done any real usability trials. There are always surprises. Often really big ones.

    Your fine tuned detail somewhere may work just as plannned, but it will easily be swamped by problems stemming from inadvertent signals the interface is sending which never occurred to you, or from assumptions you never questioned or even spotted, which utlim ately make people (rightfully!) misunderstand the whole metaphor and do the wrong thing.

    There are good news though: If you are willing to really really accept that the user is right (the way people percieve your product is in fact the way they perceive it, and you won't be around to explain to them that their thinking is wrong), and have set aside reasonable time to correct the problems you will find, - usability trials are fun!

    Seriously. Fun, enlightening, and humbling (but in feelgood way), and they will broaden your horizons by illustrating just how differently from your daily assumptions it is not just possible but common to think. Do them. You'll like it.

    Just resist the urge to explain the problem to the subject (except to be able to move on to test other things). Write down the problem in stead. The trial is for your instruction, not theirs.

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  17. Re:S'top the press'es! by Zwack · · Score: 5, Funny

    But it ALREADY is in a semblance of English... I mean it looks like English, I can understand every word...

    I just can't parse it.

    "Novell's Releases Linux Usability Testing Videos"

    Let's take it a word at a time.

    Novell's Ah, it's got an apostrophe s on the end, so it's either possesive or contractive. As Novell is an entity I'm assuming that we're talking possessive here. Something belonging to Novell. Good start...

    Releases. Well, this can't be a verb as we're expecting the noun that is possessed by Novell, so while it might be nice to think that "Novell Releases" is the start of the sentence, instead we're looking at somethings (it's plural) that Novell owns. So Novell's Releases. Some items owned by Novell that have been released. Excellent, now what about these mythic Releases...

    Linux... This isn't so good. Linux is a noun, and not a verb... Three nouns in a row? It's probably not unheard of, but in this case I'm expecting a verb. I want to know what Novell's Releases do... Well, let's soldier on and see if the verb appears later... Perhaps Yoda wrote this.

    Usability... Nope...

    Testing... Hmmm, perhaps test is being used as a verb and the entire portion in front is being used as a compound noun as favoured by Germans...

    Videos. Yes, that's it....

    The "Releases-Linux-Usability" (whatever that is) owned by Novell is testing Videos!!! Are they testing VCRs? Video Codecs? Movies? Perhaps if I read the article it would tell me.

    Or perhaps they REALLY meant "Novell Releases Linux Usability Testing Videos" NAAAAH!

    Z.

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  18. Re:Batten down the hatches (Quake Install Troll) by forkazoo · · Score: 4, Funny

    So, I wanted to install Quake. I use Linux a lot. I'm no expert, but I'm pretty comfortable with it. I've heard Windows was great for people who want to play games with no hassles. I knew microsoft made it, so I pointed konqeror at microsoft.org, and away I went. Ooops. MS is a company, not an organisation. Microsoft.com! Okay, so I tried to search the website for an .iso, so I could install Windows. Nothing! I realised that it was Commercial Software. I should have known this upfront, but I'm no windows expert. So, for the privelige of *playing games,* I went down to a local computer shop and invested over a hundred dollars in a copy of Windows. (I guess there are a lot of hard core gamers who wouldn't have a problem with putting down hundreds of dollars just to play games, but it isn't something I normally do.)

    Installation was pretty smooth. I had to download nvidia binary drivers to get fully accelerated OpenGL, just like Linux. Windows is a supported platform for the drivers. I had to reboot the whole OS after installing them, because Windows won't let you easily drop back to a command line mode and just restart the GUI. No worries - I didn't have a server running on the machine, and it only takes a bit longer to reboot than to just restart a GUI.

    Caution - Windows only comes with a special limited feature browser that doesn't support tabs, or anything. It is apparently only provided so you can download the latest version of a real browser after you install Windows. Windows doesn't come with a lot of useful stuff that you expect from a Linux distro...

    So, I start reading docs to find out how you install apps on this new OS. I was having a pretty good time. Then, I learned that there is no equivalent of apt-get. If there is free software you want to download and install, you have to do it manually. So, I used the funny miniature "IE" browser to get the Quake source online.

    Ooops, bad idea. Windows doesn't come with a compiler. You can download a free version, but the full featured "Visual Studio," costs a lot of money. I didn't feel like investing the effort to understand the differences. I decided to just get binaries. Again, there is no tool to automatically download and install an app, so I had to manually google for windows binaries. Thankfully, Quake is a very popular game, so it was very fast and easy to find, but still, it is an extra layer of inconvenience.

    After a flurry of clicking "next" and eventually "finish," I finally had the game installed. Hooray. I tried to run it and I got a "BSOD." (Crash error screen) Of course, I already pointed out that Windows comes with no development tools, so it wasn't like I could try again with the debugger to see what happened. I had no way to see exactly what the issue was. What's worse, I couldn't get back to the system. This *game* had caused the equivalent of a kernel panic. It wasn't just the app that had crashed, but the whole system! this, from a system that is supposedly really great for games! It lets a game kill it!

    Okay, so I rebooted into Linux. I already knew of a website with binaries for Quake, so I went there in Konq (Which came installed by default! I didn't have to go and download it!), downloaded a package...

    dpkg -i Q

    That was all there was to it. This "Windows is great for games" garbage is just horrible propaganda.

    Now, if only I could get sound to work in Linux...

  19. the driver hurdle by mcraig · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Personally I think the hardest task for an average user to perform on linux at the moment is driver installation, and lets face it for most people getting all their hardware working is the first step towards adopting a new system. I recently tried installing drivers for my ATi Radeon 9800 Pro a pretty mainstream card from a well known manufacturer, needless to say it's not straight forward by any stretch of the imagination. You simply can't expect joe public to ever learn how to compile his kernel and even messing around with kernel modules is probably asking too much.

    Linux is certainly making progress synaptic does a great job of alleviating dependency hell and almost entirely masking it from the end user. I'd like to see the linux community not necessarily looking to emulate the functionality in Windows or Mac OS X but instead looking for what would be the most elegant solution. Perhaps something like an online database of drivers that manufacturers could update, which could be automatically 'pushed' onto your computer overnight and silently rebooted (with your permission in a preferences box) so that you don't even have to worry about having the latest drivers it all becomes automatic would be neat, in the event it failed to reboot it could roll back to the previous driver and notify you in the morning of its attempt.

    You could allow users to rate drivers and add the ratings to the database, this way you could specify you only want to automatically update to new drivers that are rated 3/5 or higher for example. This could be like linux's answer to Windows update only better.

  20. Not with the testing they're doing. by khasim · · Score: 5, Insightful
    That's false. The best interface is one that reflects the user expectations. The Windows interface doesn't reflect user expectations in many ways, so it's possible to create a better interface than one which is just identical.
    Not with the testing that they're doing.

    You are correct, in theory. You are incorrect in this specific instance because their testing procedure will not yield the information necessary to find a "better" interface.

    That is because they are only testing prior Windows users.

    Those Windows users have been trained to seek certain items in certain places.

    Even if you added a button that said "Complete this test with one click", the users would NOT find it unless they could not FIRST find the Windows button/menu that they were trained to look for of if that button was in that location.
    That should be the aim for the Linux Desktop design, not just to attract former Windows users but to best serve previous Linux users as well.
    Again, I agree with that, but that will not be achievable through these tests.

    Microsoft Word used to have an option to use the WordPerfect keystrokes. This was because the people with the most experience found it very difficult to maintain their productivity while learning a new system. Even if that system was "better" for other people. Back then, the most experienced and productive people had spent years learning WordPerfect for DOS.

    Novell has learned nothing in these past years. To make it easy to migrate users, you make it an option to have an interface that is 100% identical to what they are familiar with.

    Real "usability testing" requires more people with more experience levels on different systems, including people with little or no computer experience at all.

    If you REALLY want to make the system easy to use, you have MULTIPLE options:

    # 1. Basic level. Almost no menus and lots of "I want to" included in the icon's name ("I want to send an email to someone" or "I want to look at web sites").

    # 2. Emulation level. 100% Win2K look-alike.

    # 3. Whatever other interface you design.

    The key is to build the interface to the user and what the user expects/knows.
  21. Where's the data? What about KDE? by 10Ghz · · Score: 4, Interesting
    For example, we ran comparison tests on KDM and GDM to figure out which program was more usable for members of our target audience.


    Sounds interesting! But I can't find any data regarding that comparison. Sure, there are tests about logging in, but no data about comparing KDM and GDM.

    Here you will find over 200 videos of people using Mozilla Firefox, Evolution, Open Office, Banshee, F-Spot and other applications.


    3 Gnome-apps, 2 neutral apps. Where's KDE-apps? Looking at the data-section, I see this:

    A test that deals with changing the background can involved things like Nautilus or GNOME Control Center


    Again: Where's KDE? Going thropugh the test data I see that every single test was with Gnome. Where's KDE? So instead of being called "Better Desktop", maybe this should be called "Better Gnome" instead? then again, what can we expect from having a Gnome-guy running the show? So much for equal handling of the desktops....
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  22. It's No Less True by aarmenaa · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I should start by saying that I use Windows on my primary desktop. For a while, I really tried to switch to Linux - Unbuntu, Mandrake, Slackware, and Fedora have all been on my box at one time or another. For the most part, getting the OS installed isn't rocket science. What is difficult is working around all the crap once you get a Linux distro installed.

    Getting the desktop to look like anything except blurry ass requires an hour of reading about how to install your video drivers. Why? Because after installing your package using the really nice script, it still doesn't work. So you google again and figure out you need to edit that ghastly xorg.conf file. And then Google to figure out why the resolution is stuck. And then Googling again to figure out why the refresh is stuck at 54 Hz and giving you a massive headache. Dual monitors? TV out? You may as well just go cry yourself to sleep unless you're an uber-leet nerd, because that stuff takes hours to set up. That shit is a matter of one click in Windows; my mother can do it.

    Then there's networking. Support for your wireless adapter may or may not even exist. If it does, it's probably in one of the generic Prism2 drivers or something like that. Great, but it doesn't help me a whole damn lot - mine says Netgear on the front. Back to Google again. It's also intresting to note that Linux's DHCP client and the server in my Linksys didn't get along real well, even on a wired connection. There's no way someone who doesn't know how that crap works would be able to troubleshoot that.

    Of course, there's always multimedia playback, right? The install I liked best so far, Unbuntu, couldn't play anything out of the box. I know it should have been able to, but for whatever reason my install was futzed no matter how many times I reinstalled it. I never could figure out how to make it play videos. There were several settings for decoding and such (as well as about 10 different players to choose from), but nothing seemed to change no matter how I tinkered with those settings. Oh, and Unbuntu comes with several options for audio input and output including ALSA and ESD. WTF is the difference? I've heard of ALSA before so I'll use that one. Oh wait, that one doesn't work, but the ESD one does. Well, as long as I hear sound I don't really care. At this point, I don't even want to Google it.

    This is why there aren't more Linux desktops: there are severe usability issues. I find it easier to get a webserver complete with PHP and MySQL up and running on Linux than a desktop. Why? Because I don't need video drivers, audio, or wireless networking. I also don't change my server hardware every month or two. Linux makes a great server, for sure. But as great a server as it is, it's a shitty desktop. And you'll please excuse my anger, I just got finished configuring my Linux install and promptly broke it...again.

    Here's what desktop distros should be working on:
    • -When it says it's installed, it'd better work (video drivers)
    • -Drop the funny names. Yes it's superficial and shouldn't matter, but it does.
    • -Make the defaults work. If the driver's there, the comptuer should play sound. And it should always be able to play video out of the box. And at least try to support the mouse wheel. I use mine a lot, and they come on every modern mouse. Why do I need to Google to figure out how to make it work in Linux?
    • -Where possible, make it one click. Things like multiple displays shouldn't be so hard. Things like resolution and color depth should be changeable in an applet, not a config file.
    • If a luser asks how to do something and your response is to call them a retard and tell to open up a terminal, your software's fucked. Lusers don't ask hard questions, which means that what they're asking for is a fundamental basic. And you just buried it under a shitload of command line.
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    "I do a grep for shit, bollocks, and tits before checking in code. I'm professional..." -RECURSIVE_META_JOKE, reddit.com
  23. Re:Batten down the hatches (Quake Install Troll) by saintp · · Score: 5, Funny
    I have never been required to re-compile all of my system binaries, patch the kernel and update all my dependancies in Windows in order to play a game, however, in Linux, this is standard practice.
    What the hell kind of games do you play? "MTV's Add SATA Support to your Kernel XXXTREME"? "John Madden All-Pro Glibc Updater 2006"? I've never had to do anything close to the rigamarole you describe, and nothing even close for games.

    -1, Troll.