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New iPods on the Horizon

RemovableBait writes "Apple Computer plans to introduce more iPods before the end of the year", a company executive said Tuesday. From the article: Executive Vice President Tim Cook didn't say whether the new iPods will come at a press event Apple has scheduled for Wednesday morning. But during a conference call with analysts, he suggested that the iPod Nano won't be the last new iPod of the year."

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  1. Re:Too many choices? by ibentmywookie · · Score: 5, Informative

    Shuffle (512MB or 1024MB)
    Nano (2GB or 4GB)
    Normal (20GB or 60GB)

    3 types, 2 size choices for each, with a nice $50 price difference for each model.

    I think Apple are really good when it comes to coming up with a product lineup. It's other suppliers that are too confusing.

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  2. Apple's Special Event by mattyohe · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you want to catch the latest products about to be released today, check out the rumor sites at 10am PDT, I'm sure one of them will be following it. They currently think the Video iPod will debut today.

    thinksecret
    appleinsider

    Or just checkout apple's website later today!

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  3. Re:Video? by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not about the resolution, it's about the compression.
    With h.264 even HD files can be compressed to a manageable size. With iPod's large storage capacity one could easily carry half a dozen movies on it.
    With a video out, all you'd need is a TV to plug it in.

    The problems are, and I have no idea if they have been solved:
    -the battery life for outputting a movie
    -is the iPod beefy enough for h.264 decoding? (Possibly, through a dedicated hardware chip)

    Here's a good real-world explanation of h.264 and what it can do for HD.

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  4. How 'bout both? by epohs · · Score: 5, Informative

    Maybe not indestructible, but they're already pretty damn tough http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nano.ars/3

    1. Re:How 'bout both? by danamania · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm finding mine pretty tough. It has no case, sits in pockets and goes walking with me, sits on my messy desk, has been slept on most nights since I bought it, driven with, packed in my camera bag, it's been lost temporarily between cushions on the sofa, dropped in a mug of hot tea (oops) and been slammed in the car door of a 1960s Falcon (oops 2), which dented the back a little. It still works, the screen is crystal clear and I have to look really hard to see the two identifiable marks on the front - one an indentation on the side of the plastic, and the other is similar, but just above the click wheel - both really need looking at closely in the right kind of light to find. I've dropped it a couple of times on the desk or coffee table, I think those marks came from that.

      If it's a fragile scratch-prone thing then I must have a magical nano, cos I'm seeing none of that.

      photos at http://www.danamania.com/temp/nano2.jpg counting upwards. The first image is at one week old, others taken on the days since then - it's almost 3 weeks old now.

  5. Re:Video? by Blapto · · Score: 5, Informative

    What sort of length are we talking about? You can get 4 hours of video onto a DVD of 4.7GB (of a quality that you couldn't get better than on your typical household TV. If you have a fantastic plasma screen you may notice an improvement at 3 hours/DVD). So a 60GB iPod would hold about 2000 songs and 40 hours of DVD quality video. I'm sure they will be releasing larger hard drives at some point, this isn't going to require a fundamental overhaul.

  6. Re:Apple's Special Event - Live Coverage by GypsyWizard · · Score: 2, Informative
  7. Re:Too many choices? by going_the_2Rpi_way · · Score: 2, Informative

    I tend to agree.

    I'm sure the author of this piece http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0006AD3 8-D9FB-1055-973683414B7F0000 would not, however.

  8. Re:Video? by OzRoy · · Score: 2, Informative

    The compression that DVDs use is pretty old and crappy.

    A 600M xvid file will give you a movie at DVD quality.

    I'm sure there are lots of other formats out there that will give you just as good, and probably better quality.

  9. Re:They Better by 10Ghz · · Score: 4, Informative
    Getting dumped by their chip supplier was a death sentence for the Mac hardware.


    I find it interesting that you said this right after Apple announced that sales of Mac-hardware increased by about 50% when compared to last year. If that means that Mac is "dying", I would LOVE to see what it would be like when it's thriving!
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  10. This story is just wrong. by Steve+Cowan · · Score: 1, Informative
    From TFA:
    Executive Vice President Tim Cook didn't say whether the new iPods will come at a press event Apple has scheduled for Wednesday morning. But during a conference call with analysts, he suggested that the iPod Nano won't be the last new iPod of the year.

    "Over a year ago, we set out to create revolutionary updates to our core iPod lineup," Cook said. "Last quarter was the final quarter for the older products. We think we did rather well with the prior lineup and believe that we will do even better with the new lineup that we have for the holiday season, including the new iPod Nano and some very innovative new products that we have yet to introduce."

    Um..... according to this story as it reads on Slashdot, " 'Apple Computer plans to introduce more iPods before the end of the year', a company executive said Tuesday," I challenge the poster to find where Cook said there will be more iPods before the end of the year.

    OK, according to the rumour mill there will likely be a new iPod today, but let's get it straight here: Cook said Apple has some innovative new products up its sleeve, but did not mention whether those products are iPods.

    If this story wasn't so misleading I wouldn't have even bothered to read the linked article. Please, Slashdot, be more careful ... this is misinformation that wastes my valuable nerd time.

  11. Re:Gaps between tracks? by iainl · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not a couple of seconds, but a small fraction of a second (yet still noticeable that its there)? Yes, they do.

    However, iTunes includes the ability to turn your multiple tracks into one big file in order to cut the gap out, if it really bothers you. It seems to be some sort of problem with the way mp3 files decode, as Winamp does it too if you don't use an additional plugin that crossfades on the fly.

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  12. Re:Video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    H.264 IS mepeg 4

  13. Re:Video? by badasscat · · Score: 4, Informative

    The compression that DVDs use is pretty old and crappy.

    It's the same compression used in our HDTV standard. It's intended for use at high bit rates, like HDTV or DVD. You're not going to get any better quality at those bit rates using another encoding scheme.

    A 600M xvid file will give you a movie at DVD quality.

    No, it won't. It may look similar, and maybe you have to take your eyes off the foreground action to see what xvid is doing to your movies, but I have never, ever seen any xvid rip that comes close to the original DVD.

    xvid and other mpeg-4 standards do well at what they're intended for - creating good-looking video at low bit rates. One of the intents of mpeg-4 (including h.264, which is mpeg-4 part 10) is delivery of high-quality movies over the internet. At that, xvid does a good job, but that doesn't mean an xvid movie encoded at 1mbps is going to look anywhere near as good as a DVD encoded at 9mbps. It never will. It's not possible. It will look "good enough" for some people, but not for those who are really interested in quality.

    mpeg-2 does not do well at low bit rates required for things like web delivery. This is one big reason why mpeg-4 was created. But if you're talking about encoding a movie such that it looks basically indistinguishable from the original, both mpeg-2 and mpeg-4 are going to require similarly high bit rates. (And yes, I've downloaded Apple's h.264 videos, before anyone brings that up - they are very large, if you've noticed. Some of them hit a couple hundred megabytes for 2-3 minutes of video.)

    People get this mixed up; they think because mpeg-4 is newer that it is more advanced than mpeg-2 in every way. It's not. It's better at low bit rates, but even comparing directly at similarly low bit rates, "better" does not mean "perfect". At high bit rates and otherwise identical settings, you can't tell the difference between the two standards.

    I encode video both as part of my job and also for laughs at home (and I've tried pretty much everything, including h.264 using Nero Digital, xvid, divx, QuickTime, WM9 and mpeg-2), so I have some level of practical experience with this. At home, I still actually just use mpeg-2 more often than not, because h.264 support is so spotty right now and the quality at the bit rates I use is the same between the two formats. For stuff I want people to download over the web, I've actually gotten better results with WM9 than I have with h.264 yet (probably mainly because playback support of h.264 is so spotty right now).

  14. Re:Ogg Support? by coleridge78 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The iPod has been around for four years as of next week.

    The reason you get modded "flame" or "troll" when suggesting that iPods are coasting on a "hype bubble" or some such is because that is a flaming troll. We're well past the point of hype.

    Someone above laughably said: "When the iPods first came out they were cool, now they're just a fad." Zuh? No, they were a fad when they came out. That's what a fad is. It's long past a fad at this point. Now it's just plain old "cool" reaching the point of "standard equipment" for a certain (affluent) section of the population.

    Seriously. Four years of steadily increasing sales != fad or hype. Exactly, precisely, inimitably the opposite.

  15. A picture by robbie_air · · Score: 1, Informative

    This picture of the new ipod has just been posted up on macrumors:

    http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/5G_ipod.jpg

    Looks legit to me, has a larger screen but not as large as everyone seems to be expecting.

    A friend of mine who reads chinese says that one of the options means "repeat broadcast" maybe a chinese slasdot member could conrim it.

  16. Re:No mention of the rumors? by jatemack · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's the info so far: - iMac: faster, larger disk, built in iSight. Includes FrontRow (app)
    - iPod: 30GB/60GB with Video - realtime decoding of MPEG4 and H.264. 260,000 colors. Video out.
    - FrontRow and PhotoBooth Apps.
    - 30GB iPod: $299 - 31% thinner than current 20GB; - 60GB iPod: $399.
    - New iPods avail next week. Comes with case
    - iMac: $1299 for 17" model with 1.5GHz, $1799 for 20" model with 2.1GHz
    - iTunes 6 to be released
    - Front Row - comes with new iMacs. Lets you enjoy video/music/pictures from sofa. Everything
    still displayed on iMac screen. iPod-like remote. 6 button remote.
    - Photobooth - appears to be slide show application.
    - Music Videos. 2000 available to buy. $1.99 each.
    - Can "gift" music to other people. Peer reviews and recommendation service.
    They keep updating and aren't /. yet at macrumors.com

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  17. Re:Forget slim... by Phat_Tony · · Score: 2, Informative

    A Shuffle in an iVault is probably about as close to indestructible as any portable electronics appliance ever made, excepting submersion.

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